PGR's and Superthrive, banned in Australia?

[Woody]

Hi all,

I dont want to start a Paclo bashing thread. I know many of you out there frown upon its use. I do use it, and I like it. I use it at a lot weaker strength than recomended and for a shorter period and I have found a good balance with a local product that increases yeild with very little reduction in resin production.

Anyway, walked into my local shop the other day to be told that products containing PGR's are going to be ripped off the shelf. He recieved a notice telling him to remove them all. I forget the regulatory authority that issued it, but its basiclly due to the substances not being registered. Same kind of thing that happened in the US.

Also, he has been instructed to remove Superthrive. A product that has been avaliable since the 1940's. I dont use superthrive but I was under the impression it was just a vitamin tonic for your plants.

Does anyone know whats going on? What the situation is etc?

 

[Craven_au]

I was told it will be all back on the shelf in no time once they have all been registered that is.

 

[shaunmulok]

Superthrive is still available on the shelf at Bunnings i saw it yesterday

 

[Woody]

oh ok thanks guys.

Well I hope they do come back. I happen to like the PGR's. Going to grab an extra bottle of Budmeister today as thats the paclo product I use. My local informs me he will keep selling it till someone comes into his store to tell him otherwise.

I'v never used superthrive. Might try it one day and see if it makes any difference.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I was going to say Yaaaaaaaay! but then I read it's just a delay.


I really don't care if you want to use PGR's.... as long as you're not polluting my body or anyone else's, it's a personal choice. I think you're not very responsible if you share your buds though. There's a reason they're banned for use in plants used by humans.


Stay Safe!
(That includes not using PGR's)

 

[thc43]

superthrive has been around for a while cant see it going anYwhere soon there is no PGR in that on as far as im aware, although Cyco nutes have just brought out there own 1 part growth stopper free sample everywhere but be aware its new and dose rates may not be accurate. Banning PGRs wont happen too many users in stone fruit industry, vineyards and more but maBY they can do something to slow the superbud and rock juice products being sold to the public as thats where the problem is.

with the right licence or right person we can get most hormones, insecticides, herbicides and powdered nutes from agriculture wholesalers in OZ. Just have to find them in your area. example cycocel sells for near $1000 a litre in a grow shop, but at my local ag wholesale it sells for $200 but a licence is needed.

Im not a fan but they have there uses, bonzi mums (alot of bonzi additives use PGRs) bonzi growers would also be dirty.

 

[BENJI]

I was going to say Yaaaaaaaay! but then I read it's just a delay.


I really don't care if you want to use PGR's.... as long as you're not polluting my body or anyone else's, it's a personal choice. I think you're not very responsible if you share your buds though. There's a reason they're banned for use in plants used by humans.


Stay Safe!
(That includes not using PGR's)

A Very good post,,,I hate the stuff i see it used all the time pointless if you ask me,,,Find a strain thats yields well and suits your needs plenty out there,,,These PGR products are made STRICTLY for commercial use,,,I dont understand why people spend so much money on these products(other than being a commercial grower) when you could use that money on buying seeds and getting that strain that fits your criteria...

 

[mriko]

What's PGR ?

Irie !

 

[BENJI]

PGR = Plant Growth Regulator

 

[mriko]

and... what are those Plant growth Regulators ? what's wrong with them ?
Thanks benji

Irie !

 

[Technique]

would canna's boost be a pgr? its more organic right?

 

[thc43]

Nah canna boost is not a hormone but it can have node shortening effect and tighter buds if all the areas of your grow are near ideal to perfect.

PGRs are found in a few products you wouldnt expect them, never disclosed and it has turned me off using a Nute company that would slip this in without the option of not using it.

*Bonzi- a weak solution sold at most nurserys or bunnings for bonzi growers. Dont use this on weed its a bonzi hormone and far from tested so dose rates would likely be way off and may be toxic..

*Rock Juice
*SuperBud
*Growthreg
*Uturn 1, 2 and 4 part.
*The new Cyco one budblast or simular

then there are the the actual active ingredients that can be sourced Paclobutrazol and cycocel is basicly Uturn (2 part without delivery agents)


Whats wrong with them?
At recommended doses they strip the bud of trichomes, odor and taste. Grows become high risk for late PM mould outbreaks and its said when burnt if its still in the plant it can be toxic.

Pros
a first time grower can fill there room dose and flower not worring about stretch plants stop dead in there tracks its odd to see after growing sativa trees.
These hormones throw the plant into full flower instantly rather than a gradual increase then decrease in stretch.

Its cheep and nasty, if you buy hormones at a grow shop you pay more. Ideal for the asian home grows no experience needed too easy and takes all the fun out of it, strains start looking alike, taste simular basicly what we call vac sealed south Aus bud or trucker bud.









Growth technoligies did some/ there testing in about 2000 and came back with a dose rate they felt was safe which was about 1/3 of the current recomended dose, used in first 10days of flower only but they have always been a Olive tree nute co first then MJ and the hormones would be better suited to trees rather than weeds.
then theres a bunch of ying and yang problems with hormones basicly you will get the weight but it aint pretty.

took me a year of grows and some fresh info to see the light realise its a poison and plant stresser, i was aiming for STRONG cheep clean smoke all the time so it wasnt really for me but it does work very well in a scrog or screen grow 90% tops 10% popcorn.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

then theres a bunch of ying and yang problems with hormones basicly you will get the weight but it aint pretty.

took me a year of grows and some fresh info to see the light realise its a poison and plant stresser, i was aiming for STRONG cheep clean smoke all the time

Commercial croppers and those who just don't know.... are the only ones that use PGR's. Glad you figured it out.

People are only as good as the information set and programming they've grown up with.... educate yourself and then educate your neighbor. I still believe in the dream.

Stay Safe!

 

[cornflake]

so is superthrive a pgr?

 

[Smurf]

Yep those pgrs are great for the cash croppers. ,, organics are the safer alternative way to grow imo, with the advantage of naturally produced hormones etc., plants grow healthier too.

The debate about vit B additives still continues. Suby convinced me yrs ago these products are unnecessary when maintaining soil organically.

Superthrive contains Vit B1 (thiamine hydrochloride)...

The University of California research on vegetables failed to prove that B1 reduces transplant shock or stimulates root development. Researchers found "no discernible differences in color or vigor among treatments" when B1 and B1 plus iron, manganese, and zinc were used on peppers, pole beans, squash, sweet corn, tomatoes, and watermelons. Elsewhere, studies on chrysanthemums, citrus, and
roses have reached similar conclusions.
(This is only one of 100's of trials done with B1 all of which have the similar results.)

1-Naphthylacetic Acid (NAA) is a PGR ,, the active ingredient in Superthrive

But why would you need it if you have healthy plants,, to enhance growth?.. the manufacturers would have you believe this.
Kelp will stimulate your garden @ any growth stage.

There are canna growers in Africa that don't even use ferts in their soils, only charcoal,, whole plantations growing to perfection,, seeing is believing.

 

[b00m]

Thanks for that smurf, I've been debating about Superthrive, only used when transplanting seedlings, but I didn't know it was a PGR, appreciate the heads up.
Peace

 

[Hughesy]

Superthrive has a Great Marketable Name but vitamin tonics? Unnecessary really and it smells like a hydro room too. Packaged and priced accordingly in tiny sizes to large bottles with a tiny bottle being the worst value for money. Some one told me it did nothing at all and was a waste of time,money.

 

[mullray]

Hi all I have a copy of the memo that was sent to every Australian hydro store. Here's some of it.

Important Regulatory Information for Hydroponic Retailers

If you sell chemical products to the commercial
hydroponic industry or to the general public you
need to be aware of the laws that govern the sale
of such products.
Under the Agricultural and Veterinary Chemicals Code of
each jurisdiction (collectively, the ‘Agvet Codes’), it is an
offence to advertise or supply unregistered agricultural
chemical products. These offences carry fines of up to
$33,000 for an individual or $165,000 for a company.
Selling plant growth regulators or other
hydroponic chemicals in Australia
Agricultural chemical products that might typically be
supplied by a hydroponics store and fall under the definition
of an agricultural chemical product include:
plant growth regulators (PGRs) or products that
contain plant growth regulating chemicals, such
products can also be described as nutrients, growth
boosters, vitamins, hormones and bloom enhancers
algaecides
water treatments
insect repellents
disinfectants
sanitisers.
These types of products generally require registration with
the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority
(APVMA) as agricultural chemical products.
How do I know if a product is registered?
To check if a product is registered, you need to check the
label on the product. Labels on registered products carry an
APVMA or NRA approval number.
This number is typically found at the base of the rear label
panel on the main container. The approval number contains
the product number, the pack size identifier and the month
and year of initial registration. A typical example might be:
APVMA (or NRA): 54321/1kg/0909.

What if I am selling unregistered agricultural
chemical products?

It is important to note that as a hydroponic retailer, you have
a responsibility to ensure that only registered agricultural
chemical products are sold or supplied via your store. The
fines and penalties for supplying unregistered agricultural
chemical products are significant.
The supply of an unregistered chemical product is an
offence under section 78 of the Agvet Codes. Action that
could be taken by the APVMA if a hydroponic store is found
to be selling unregistered agricultural chemical products can
include compulsory product recalls, compulsory stop supply
notices and even criminal prosecution. Fines relating to the
supply of an unregistered chemical product can be $165,000
for each offence.
To ensure your store is not supplying unregistered
agricultural chemical products, it is suggested you review
your product range and discuss with your supplier why a
product of concern does not have an APVMA or NRA
approval number on the product’s label. If you are still
concerned you can contact APVMA Compliance for a
confidential discussion. Contact details are overleaf.
Authorised APVMA staff (Inspectors) conduct random
hydroponic retail store inspections and if you are found to be
supplying or selling unregistered agricultural chemical
products you may be subject to the regulatory actions
outlined above.

I've been told that the APVMA (Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority) raided some hydroponic stores in 2009. They are now going to begin intermittent raids on stores and seize products for testing. A friend tells me he believes that this has happened due to Superbud and scumbags like Dutchmaster who released these products onto the market and lied to consumers about the actives. Seems the Aus government is going after bikies and the hydro industry became an obvious target because e.g. Dutchmaster is part owned by the SA Finks MC.

I personally hope that they can get these poisons off the market. http://www.integralhydro.com/plantgrowthregulators.html

Here's a link that explains what's in them (plus formulas for making them).

MR

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Good!

The more educated we can make the public on this.... the quicker we'll see it being weeded out and the safer the public will be. Heh.


Stay Safe!

 

[mullray]

Yep, if you want to support bikies buy their poisons. Any grower who uses PGRs and then sells PGR polluted mj to people is a low rent scuzz bag who gives the whole scene a bad rep. Looks like the Australian hydro industry may finally have to clean up its act. Bummer!!