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Perpetual SOG, weekly harvest.

beats6789

Member
Hey everyone, I just moved this journal from the soil section. I did not realize all these nice sub-forums. Real nice touch I think. Anyways here's what I have in the works:

I am constantly looking how to do more with less. That being said I am using two mothers, one Pineapple Express and one Gigabud. I am maintaining these mothers using the banzai method. I feel I have them in to large of containers, I want to cut the size of the container in half and increase the amount of mothers by two. I think having four moms will generate more cuttings weekly oppose to two moms in larger containers.

I root in rapid rooters using cloneX and straight tap. I firmly believe the chlorine within the tap kills bacteria that small rootless cutting are vulnerable too. Once the cuttings throughly root a rapid rooter I snip the tap roots to promote feeder root growth and put them into individual seedling starters or solo cups. I throughly root in small containers during veg (which ranges 2-4 weeks) to keep the plants small but also to root bound the plant so when they go into the 6inch pots for flower, they virtually explode with growth and bud development. I feed with RO/DI h20, fulvic and humic acids, Humbodlt County MyCo Madness, molasses to feed everyone and some General Hydroponics Flora Grow (600ppm). I use a LED light source for veg.

For flower I utilize a 600w HPS cooltube. Right now everything is hand watered but soon I want to transform everything into top drip NFT. It will be a while before that happens because I have to gather materials. Mainly, I have three different feedings for the plants in flower. Weeks one through six are three different feeds and the seventh is a flush so essentially I would need 4 different resv. and 4 different NFT trays and more space (maybe).

I use RO/DI h20, Pura Vida organic bloom,Cal-Mag as my base for weeks one through six. Weeks 1-2 I use: Bloom base and Fox Farms open sesame(750ppm). Weeks 3-4: Bloom base, FF beastie bloomz, Humboldy County Snow Storm Ultra and Advanced Nutrients Bud Candy(1000ppm). Weeks 4-6: Bloom base, AN Overdrive and Bud Candy(1100ppm). Week 7 is pure RO/DI (hopefully 0ppm)

I have not harvested yet but when I do it will be every 7 days. I add plants into flower at a rate of three to six clones depending on the supply of clones I have vegging in the cab at the time. I diligently plan on 28g per plant. It is no doubt possible but it will take a few rounds to get everything dialed in. Wish me luck and thanks for watching! :greenstars:
 

beats6789

Member
Flower cab.

The first 5 rows of plants are not going to reach the height my coming plants will. Reason being when I first started I only had one mom and the cuttings where going straight into flower with no veg cycle. I had to start somewhere......

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beats6789

Member
These are the next set of clones ready. I will snipped off all the tap roots to promote feeder roots and to promote equal size plants. From here I put them into single plugs using coco/perlite until ready for bloom.

I really like to throughly root the plants in small mediums. That way when I put them into their 6in sq pots for flower they explode with growth and bud development.

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beats6789

Member
Well I chopped a little early because I am in need of some smoke. Over all I am very very pleased with the results. This first round I did not hit the one Oz per plant but I dont think I am to far off.

Not to bad for plants with no veg time at all, all I know is the plants to come will blow these first rounds out of that water. With a little tweaking Ill be doing 3 easy if not more and that is every seven days! The buds look awesome and are real dense and smell great. How does it look, give me some dry guesses?

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gaiusmarius

me
Veteran
nice stash mate, keep up the good work. i would suggest trying to find a way to give them at least 24 hours in veg in the final pots, they will still be small and manageable but just a bit more weighty imo, with more time for rooting into final pots.

peace
 

beats6789

Member
nice stash mate, keep up the good work. i would suggest trying to find a way to give them at least 24 hours in veg in the final pots, they will still be small and manageable but just a bit more weighty imo, with more time for rooting into final pots.

peace

Thanks for the recommendation. I have mixed feelings on 24hr cycles though. I have done it in the past and honestly didnt notice enough difference to make it worth the extra 6 hrs of energy used. Perhaps I could give it another try. Anyhow, thanks for the comment.

I can tell you this much. In the next month (funds) I plan on reducing from a 600w HPS down to a 400w HPS. Why some ask?
This is my plan. I plan on getting a fresca sol water cooled fixture and a light mover. This will allow me to inject Co2 and keep the light 6 inches away from the plants and maintain even light distribution all while saving energy and equaling or surpassing my current yield.

Then I want to set up a top drip NFT system with three sections allowing for different feedings through the 7 week flower cycle.



Im all about doing more with less.
 

gaiusmarius

me
Veteran
yeah i didn't say that very well. from what i gathered you don't veg your plants in the final pots under the hps? i wasn't saying you should keep the light on 24/7 in the veg area. i meant that it would help your yield with most strains if you gave your plants at least 1 day of veg time in the end pots under the main light. that's what i meant by 24 hours, 1 day. but weather you have them on for 18, 20, 22 or 24 hours is immaterial really.
 

robbiedublu

Member
I think you'll do better if you keep the 600 rather than switch to a 400. Movers don't make enough difference to equate to a 50% increase in light (600 vs 400), at least in my experience. If you have the mover already, add it with the 600.
 

beats6789

Member
I think you'll do better if you keep the 600 rather than switch to a 400. Movers don't make enough difference to equate to a 50% increase in light (600 vs 400), at least in my experience. If you have the mover already, add it with the 600.


Well It will be something for me to try seeing that I have both ballast. I just need to buy the light rail but I like the idea of drawing less power because I live in an apartment.

opinion please: what would you buy.

http://cgi.ebay.com/HYDROGEN-ICE-BO...ultDomain_0?hash=item2ea415fc02#ht_1108wt_939

or

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fresca-Sol-Wate...ultDomain_0?hash=item27acfb392d#ht_1491wt_939
 

hdn155

Member
gotta love the perpetual harvesting... i gotta agree on giving them some kind of veg time. i really think you will notice a difference. also id stay with 600. but it would be fun to experiment and try and get the same results with a 400 on a mover and co2. but as my mentor always would say. "what could you do with a 600 on a mover and co2"?
 

beats6789

Member
gotta love the perpetual harvesting... i gotta agree on giving them some kind of veg time. i really think you will notice a difference. also id stay with 600. but it would be fun to experiment and try and get the same results with a 400 on a mover and co2. but as my mentor always would say. "what could you do with a 600 on a mover and co2"?

Thanks for stopping in

Everyone is really making me reconsider my choices regarding the lights. I really want to use the 400w but I know the benefits of my 600w but something is pulling at my lag saying "what if". What if I can do more or equal with less?

Opinions please...................

Do you think a 400w water cooled HPS @ 6 inches away from the canopy on a light mover with 1500ppm co2 yield more than a stationary 600w cooltube hps at 16 inches away from the canopy w/no co2?
 

beats6789

Member
Another question for some clarification....

Digital ballast, I have one now but I was under a wrong assumption. I thought all digital ballast ran above the standard 50/60hz which is typical of your magnetic/core ballast that hummed.

My digital is small, sleek, quiet and runs cool but it says 50/60hz on it. I never thought to look but I came across some info regarding electromagnetic interference and how 50/60hz ballast can cause interference if not properly RF shielded and or trigger some unwanted attention. I dont want no damn RF leeks affiliated me or my grow. Stupid RF.

So I thought I was fine because my ballast is digital but yet it still runs @ 50/60hz. WTF, how come I cant hear it humming then? Looks like I am ditching this 600w for a different and better 20000hz ballast.

God I wish there was a section to sell stuff, I have so many lights just sitting around because I am constantly upgrading. Im never content. I have 400watters,600watters, LEDs, lame flouras just laying around and I still want more. 20000hz digital dimmable ballast is make next step combined with a 3k Sunpulse bulb.

What ballast would you buy of these two?

http://cgi.ebay.com/NextGen-600W-40...ultDomain_0?hash=item230265c9a2#ht_1090wt_939

OR

http://cgi.ebay.com/Quantum-600w-60...ltDomain_0?hash=item3cab0e8253#ht_2173wt_1165

I assume both operate at 20000hz
 

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