Strange Slime buildup on roots

[richyrich]

i have lost a good chunk of clones recently too in my ez.. lost about 120 in the last week or so lol!!

so basically i did what you said RR, cleaned everything with P20, i brewed up the ewc tea, put a heat mat under my ez res, with a temp controller, and set it to 80.. i added in the ewc tea after 18 hours, but it wasnt foaming or anything.. also i didnt reintroduce due to being out of town.. also added rooting hormones to the water, and dipped the cuts in roottech gel.

anyways, came back, today is day 8, and some stems have bumps, some are brown and squishy, and some look really odd... the stems have become bulgy and white, splitting open.. its the wierdest looking thing! ever heard of this??

anyone know why this would happen? is it a precursor to mad rootage?

anyways, the tops are starting to yellow, so im hoping they are trying to root but we shall see.. im wondering if these gdps just dont like the ez LOL!

anyways, ill give it 4 or 5 more days, and if i dont see any roots, ill guess ill have to start over lol

EWC foam does not always have to foam.

I wouldn't use the heat mat under the cloner. The pump should warm the water enough. Warm water is not necessary.

Get the brown and squishy cuts out of the cloner asap. Probably caused by the heat and not reintroducing more EWC from being out of town.

The yellowing is from too much light. Minimal lighting is needed until roots have formed. When all cuts have root starting then introduce more light and they will explode in growth.

GDPs take a long time to root. They are not good rooters.

RootTech gel has the strongest amount of the active rooting hormone on the market. It is a precursor for mad rootage.

 

[FLoJo]

have you ever seen cuts that bulge out and split and are white as snow without roots? its the wierdest thing ive ever seen.

and the yellowing i know is not from too much light.. i have a 4 bulb 2 ft t5 about 2 and a half feet above the cloner, and once i see roots i move it down right on top of em. im wondering if it is from some kind of heat stress? or maybe signs of rooting? hell i dont know LOL.

i added a cheese cloth tied up with ewc directly into the cloner last night so we shall see what happens..

i have a few questiosn. when you make your tea, so you add 2 cups of ewc into 3 gallons of aerated ro, so is this all you use in the cloner or do you add more water? also how much ewc tea do you add every 3 days? lastly do you filter the tea at all with a cheesecloth or do you just run it straight?

p.s. do you use a 15 on 15 off schedule or constantly run?

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Definitely kick the water temps down a bunch! I've found the 80 degree "rule" to be nonsense and more damaging to water cloning than helpful. Low to mid 70s is perfect. No higher. I agree with richy that the high temps are the cause of your mushy, stem rotted clones and those rotting clones provide organic matter for slime to feed off of. Im sure the teas work great but if you're lazy like me just buy a premade beneficial bacteria supplement and use that.

 

[FLoJo]

grow time i think you are right... if they dont root in the next week and i pull em down i will be sure and use no heat mat this time.. its odd because they have bumps, but also the mushy grey tipped stems, and some of them the stem has become pure white and bulged out and almost exploded! its the wierdest looking thing..

if i have the grey tips is it even worth letting them sit another week or could they still pump out some roots from the bumps

 

[ItsGrowTime]

I usually see the stem splitting when I use rooting hormone gel. Sometimes they do still pop roots but sometimes they don't. Hard to say what yours will do. You can bring down the temps of your cloner water right now with some cold tap water and probably see immediate results from the ones that have root bumps showing. It's much better to err on the side of too cold water than too hot. Cold water won't kill your clones but too hot will. The "iffy" clones you can always remove from your cloner and stick them in a glass of water and wait to see if they pop. I do this sometimes if I have extra clones or "iffy" ones that I want to put aside while I get my solidly rooted clones going. Nothing wrong with having a few backup clones handy!

 

[FLoJo]

i added some more RO water, and i think ill let em go about 3 more days, discard the uglies, and slap the rest in some rapid rooters and let em chill.. ive already burned through over 100 cuts, and this next time i need them LOL

 

[robertmarley]

Definitely kick the water temps down a bunch! I've found the 80 degree "rule" to be nonsense and more damaging to water cloning than helpful. Low to mid 70s is perfect. No higher. I agree with richy that the high temps are the cause of your mushy, stem rotted clones and those rotting clones provide organic matter for slime to feed off of. Im sure the teas work great but if you're lazy like me just buy a premade beneficial bacteria supplement and use that.

Which supps have worked for you in place of needing tea?

 

[ItsGrowTime]

i added some more RO water, and i think ill let em go about 3 more days, discard the uglies, and slap the rest in some rapid rooters and let em chill.. ive already burned through over 100 cuts, and this next time i need them LOL

I guarantee your success rate will go up massively with colder water (73-75 degrees constant temperature). Add some beneficials to the water and you'll be good to go! Speaking of benes....

Which supps have worked for you in place of needing tea?

Previously good results with AquaShield and currently good results with Great White powder. Also have used Subculture-M for mycorrizhae. Ive never used it but have not heard great things about the AN beneficials (Piranha/Tarantula/etc) so I'd probably avoid those. Hard to go wrong with Botanicare or GH though.

 

[richyrich]

have you ever seen cuts that bulge out and split and are white as snow without roots? its the wierdest thing ive ever seen.

and the yellowing i know is not from too much light.. i have a 4 bulb 2 ft t5 about 2 and a half feet above the cloner, and once i see roots i move it down right on top of em. im wondering if it is from some kind of heat stress? or maybe signs of rooting? hell i dont know LOL.

i added a cheese cloth tied up with ewc directly into the cloner last night so we shall see what happens..

i have a few questiosn. when you make your tea, so you add 2 cups of ewc into 3 gallons of aerated ro, so is this all you use in the cloner or do you add more water? also how much ewc tea do you add every 3 days? lastly do you filter the tea at all with a cheesecloth or do you just run it straight?

p.s. do you use a 15 on 15 off schedule or constantly run?

That is surely too much light even at 2 and a half feet. That is the same rig I use once I have roots and they take off. Put one 18w strip fluoro above your cloner and see the difference. Your cuts are trying to grow leaf matter with that much light and are not concentrating on rooting. No roots to take in nutes when trying to grow leaf matter, well, the result is deficiency, hence the yellowing.

 

[richyrich]

FloJo, hit the link in my signature for your other questions.

 

[robertmarley]

Hey rich, i tried searching back this thread but couldnt pull up what i was looking for. Are you using roots excel in your res when you make cuts or after they show roots? i picked up some of this stuff since everyone seems to think its amazing and cant find any good info on using it in cloners

(if this next try fails, going UV route)

 

[richyrich]

Hey rich, i tried searching back this thread but couldnt pull up what i was looking for. Are you using roots excel in your res when you make cuts or after they show roots? i picked up some of this stuff since everyone seems to think its amazing and cant find any good info on using it in cloners

(if this next try fails, going UV route)

Use it as soon as you see the root nubs forming and hold on for a root explosion!!! You will then see first hand what the rave is all about with the product.

 

[OMountainMix]

REALLY, REALLY make sure your gear is clean. NOT with bleach. Hot water, clean scrubby pad, anti-bacterial soap. Rinse VERY VERY well. Fill with clean water, let sit. Add hydrobact and power clone. You will keep 95% plus of your clones. That's what we do anyhow, and we only lost 3 out of 120 on the last run. Then our cat decided it was a giant cat grass box and she snapped a few more. Still, this is what we do, and we pretty much do NOT lose clones.

 

[robertmarley]

Use it as soon as you see the root nubs forming and hold on for a root explosion!!! You will then see first hand what the rave is all about with the product.

Haha sounds good.. I added to my coco watering res, and pulling the pots off the coco is definitely showing some crazy white new growth going on even in old plants.. good stuff!

Started the cloner last night, got a new container, new neoprenes, and kept the old pump sprayer (ran them through heavy h2o2 concentration for a while). Everything else was cleaned with ajax antibacterial dish soap, no bleach

Ph'd with aquashiled only.. will keep updated.

 

[OMountainMix]

i should add that we are uber lucky and have, as my hubby puts it, PERFECT water. so i forget that others might have to mess with their water . . . .

 

[robertmarley]

Use it as soon as you see the root nubs forming and hold on for a root explosion!!! You will then see first hand what the rave is all about with the product.

Whats the reasoning for not putting it in from the onset? just wondering.. not doubting.

 

[richyrich]

Whats the reasoning for not putting it in from the onset? just wondering.. not doubting.

It is a root stimulator so it needs roots. Rooting hormones (clonex, etc.) are used from the onset to promote root growth from the cut. Plus, you save some money by not using it when not really necessary. The stuff is expensive.

 

[ELEMENTSHOCKER]

hello everyone im new to the forum but have read this thread from start to now and mad thanks to RR, you helped me save my plants bro any how i was wondering if anyone knows if you can use sensizym with dm zone. Right now im using zone at the rate of 5ml per five gal and sensi grow a&b for nutes in dwc and physan20 between changes, if the zym is compatible with the zone is it even worth adding it to my nutes? thanks in advance for the help

 

[skunktoker]

Definately not !!! zone should never be used with sensizyme... keep using the zone without the zyme ...the only enzyme you can use with zone is hygrozyme..which can also be used with peroxide ...keep using zone if its working which I assume it is zone is wonderful stuff..if need be you can always go to maximum strength ............ST

 

[ELEMENTSHOCKER]

hey thanks for the quick reply skunk and yeah the zone is pretty legit stuff, and every thing is goin great since i started using it. Do you use zone with hygrozyme your self? And if so how is it workin for you?