Outdoor Organics

[Agent 47]

I'm currently looking for a good Organic soil mix for my outdoor grow this year. I'm planning on growing 50 Afghan Kush plants in 10 gallon pots and I'm having a problem finding a realistic mix.

After reading BurnOnes Organics for beginners, I'm intrigued by the idea of adding the nutes in the soil for the whole grow process, rather than adding throughout the grow. The reason for this is because it will be enough work tying down and grooming 50 females as it is with my work schedule.

I currently have the kelp meal, blood meal, green sand, and bone meal. What I'm asking I guess is, should I buy (8) 3.8 cubit feet bails of Pro-Mix or would it be more sensible to buy 3 or 4 and mix it with some dark soil that I can find, or is that a bad idea due to insects and other variables? What would be a possible solution.

Thank you!

+ Small Side question. I'm in the Mid-Atlantic and want to give my girls a month head start, would one be safe to assume that 400w MH be sufficient for those 30 days? 50 Seedlings.

 

[guest2012y]

This thread could be a breath of fresh air............I'll check back in later and throw some of my outdoor organic experience in.

 

[Agent 47]

This thread could be a breath of fresh air............I'll check back in later and throw some of my outdoor organic experience in.

Sounds good! I'll be all eyes when you do.

 

[Tactical Farmer]

Some might say its not totally organic but Fox Farms Marine Cuisine is a GREAT slow release dry fert that should get you through most if not all the vegetative phase.

Its the same stuff Fox Farm uses in the Ocean Forest soil.

You could add some Fox Farm Fruit & Flower to the very bottom of the hole & then top dress with some more when flowering kicks in.

Would def try to mix in some forest soil to make the peat go further - just make sure to add a good bit on dolomite lime to the entire mix.

 

[guest2012y]

Okay here's a quick rundown of what I have done in the past. There are several threads around with great outdoor growers showing the results of their work,so you should definitely check around and make your own decisions before taking my advice. I grow organic herb and this is what I did to get a decent crop each year.

First thing in the spring I dug holes 3 feet deep x 3 feet wide in an area that was to my liking for growing outdoors. I used a gray plastic tarp to put the excavated soil on since it is easier to hide gray than bright blue. I then packed amendments into the site any way I could. Typically large trash bags in a large back pack full of a blend of perlite,vermiculite,kelp meal,guano's,and wood ash. Sometimes chicken shit or composted cow manure. I then mixed around 3/4's of the original soil with the amendment mix and filled the holes back in. I would use the rest of the existing soil to make burms to hold water around the holes.
I would have clones or seedlings at least 3 to 4 feet high ready to go by the time the last frosts are gone. I would get them to the site in light weight coolers. Planted them,watered them,and leave em' be for as long as It was getting rain on a regular basis. I didn't worry about the deer because they were beefy plants when I put them out. I suspected I never had issues with deer because they were bigger plants and if they nibbled on them they didn't like it or something. I had a line from an underground water storage tank that was refilled by a nearby well. I used a nice gray hose that could be coiled up and stuck under a bush.
Throughout summer they were watered and tied down with jute twine. I had a 55 gallon plastic food grade barrel that I filled with what I called a "perpetual tea".
This was basically just filled with water and on a random basis depending on what I felt it needed,was amended with bag's of kelp meal,N. and P. bat guanos,fish fertilizer,sugar,and other little goodies. I would just keep it filled and use a gallon of the tea per plant plus about 5 or more gallons of water at each watering throughout the growing season. Harvest was good,nothing spectacular,but this was up near Canada at about 3000 ft. in elevation. 20 plants=20 pounds=$4000 a pound=$80.000 that was when prices were higher. That's what I did. PEACE

 

[mad librettist]

Man I would be using the soil you have and digging as little as possible. But I would start in the fall.

When I grow outside next, I will use my new favorite: finished compost on top of cardboard. Pour on the humus don't scrimp. Hay and straw mulch.

 

[guest2012y]

I have the idea that the roots have an easier time working through softer "soil" than compacted native ground. I am aware that there are areas where soil is soft,but that doesn't always work with where a guy/gal can put plants. I have only been lucky enough to not have to dig a couple times. I also want those goodies in there.....that's what I do.

 

[Cannasseur]

Some might say its not totally organic but Fox Farms Marine Cuisine is a GREAT slow release dry fert that should get you through most if not all the vegetative phase.

Does anyone have an idea if the salt based fertilizers present in Marine Cuisine have an adverse effect on the soil microbiology? I, at one point in my experiences, found myself contemplating using Marine Cuisine, but I decided to veer away from the organic based product. It just did not settle my stomach. I've always been under the impression, the use of salts is not positive in the effort to harbor soil microbes.

 

[Tactical Farmer]

Marine Cuisine: 10-7-7

Marine Cuisine® is a powerful all-purpose fertilizer that blends fine ocean-based ingredients like crab meal, shrimp meal, seabird guano, and kelp, with low-sodium mineral plant foods to give your garden a quick boost and provide long-lasting, time-release nutrition. This fertilizer is a power bar for your plants! Use it wherever you want lush flowers and delicious fruit, and try it on your most demanding trees and shrubs. Marine Cuisine® is truly seafood for your garden.

Cottonsead Meal
Blood Meal
EWC
Fish Meal
Shrimp Meal
Crab Meal
Bat Guano
Seabird Guano
Kelp Meal
Urea
Ammonium Sulphate
Treble Phosphate
Potassium Sulphate
Potassium Chloride
Ferrous Sulphate
Iron Sucrate
Manganese Sucrate
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Used it indoors & outdoors with nothing but great results. Seemed to not affect the herd in my situations.