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Where to buy Activated Carbon... Anyone know?

rrog

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For the record, it's ADSORPTION that's happening.

I'm not thinking dust helps us at all in vapor phase filtration. Same reason that smaller water phase sized granules are not optimal. The air needs to move easily through the filter layer.

Vapor filtration uses screen sized of 4x6 and 4x8 typically. Water filtration uses smaller screen sizes. Larger is better for vapor. Smaller is better for water. Logically, crushed dust is worse than the water screen size.

I would imagine if NASA were building these filters (and they do or at least spec the build) they would use the proper (optimal) size for vapor filtration, then lightly vibrate to settle, not crush and compact.

They also use the more efficient coconut carbon, not the documented less efficient coal carbon, or the even less effective wood carbon.

In my opinion, these "deals" filters offered with enormous volumes of carbon are:

1) Unnecessary (the massive carbon is unnecessary, obviously the filtration itself is needed)
2) More marketing oriented than prudent design oriented
3) Using coal or even wood carbon. If they used premium coconut, they wouldn't keep it a secret, right?

Maybe I'm overstating the obvious, but using a more efficient carbon would thereby require less of it to equal the performance of a lesser quality carbon.

Note I claim these as opinions, not law
 

NFR

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The activated carbon is indeed jacked up for the non commercial user. I get mine for less than half the price at the shops from a commercial filtration company. Even from that supplier, if I were not friends with one of the main guys, I would still get gouged for a hundred dollars more. I was paying him(canadian funds) $50, then $75 and now $100 for a 50 lb bag. So the price is going up as well. I've seen it go for as high as $$250 at a hydro shop.

Call filtration suppliers from the phone book and you wont have to search long. Hell, I've been taking people's old cans and dropping in a bag of carbon and I have a new Can100/150 for a 3rd of the price. I actaully have so many extra cans that I should open a shop. lol
 

rrog

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The activated carbon is indeed jacked up for the non commercial user... the price is going up as well.

Prices might be going up due to demand going up, or supply going down, or just the capitalist realization that the price CAN go up. It's business.
 
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lysol

Prices might be going up due to demand going up, or supply going down, or just the capitalist realization that the price CAN go up. It's business.

Or demand going down.. (if I have to purchase 1 ton, split that into 500 packs and it takes me 3yrs instead of 3 months to move 500 packs, I'm going to raise my cost per pack)
 

rrog

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Maybe, but economics would say otherwise over the long term. In the model you presented most companies would move on to greener pastures.

I suspect there are not many companies specializing in coconut, and they may have a bit of a monopoly, or at least they're in cahoots
 

Clackamas Coot

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The little blue hairs that belong to your local orchid club almost always have sources for activated charcoal for about $20.00 per 50 lbs.

Be nice to them - they're a testy bunch!

Best wishes!

CC
 
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lysol

Hey clackamas, thanks for the heads up. Can you post an example online? Or you mean in person only? What do they use it for so we can have a good cover story?

My dad grows 100s of orchids for a hobby, never heard of this but you have my attention.
 

Clackamas Coot

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Hey clackamas, thanks for the heads up. Can you post an example online? Or you mean in person only? What do they use it for so we can have a good cover story?

My dad grows 100s of orchids for a hobby, never heard of this but you have my attention.
lysol

It's used as part of their soilless mixes. Just find a local orchid club and they usually have a classified section where orchids and supplies are offered.

Just contacting the club's 'point person' should get you what you need - no cover story needed.

Also you might want to check in your area with a place that sells products and equipment to brew your own beer. I've seen bags of it at a local brewer's supply company and if I remember correctly it was about $30.00 or so per 50 lb. bag.

Anyway - that's at least a starting point for you.

Best wishes on your project...............

CC
 

Clackamas Coot

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lysol

This link to OrchidWeb.com has what I was talking about - scroll down to the bottom of the page.

At least you'll have enough information to talk with the little old ladies at the orchid club.

HTH

CC
 
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lysol

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However is there not some sort of step to make it [granulated charcoal] into "activated carbon"?

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d)n. Highly absorbent carbon obtained by heating granulated charcoal to exhaust contained gases, resulting in a highly porous form with a very large surface area. It is used primarily for purifying gases by adsorption, solvent recovery, or deodorization and as an antidote to certain poisons. Also called activated carbon.
 
I was able to make 2 carbon filters and 2 noise reducers for the same price it would have cost to buy a similar sized Can filter.... Didn't take me long to build and it works GREAT. Best thing is that I can customize the size to suit my needs.
 
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lysol

I was able to make 2 carbon filters and 2 noise reducers for the same price it would have cost to buy a similar sized Can filter.... Didn't take me long to build and it works GREAT. Best thing is that I can customize the size to suit my needs.
Care to share your source for carbon then?
 

NiteTiger

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egg-celent K+

However is there not some sort of step to make it [granulated charcoal] into "activated carbon"?

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d)n. Highly absorbent carbon obtained by heating granulated charcoal to exhaust contained gases, resulting in a highly porous form with a very large surface area. It is used primarily for purifying gases by adsorption, solvent recovery, or deodorization and as an antidote to certain poisons. Also called activated carbon.

Indeed you can, but you'll need some specialized equipment. The carbon is activated in a few different ways, but all involve very high heat, on the order of 1100-2200F, and some forms of activation involve very strong acids, bases, or salts :yoinks:

Yeah, I looked into making it myself too :biglaugh:
 

GrnMtnGrwr

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The biggest difference in DIY vs Prefab for me was the density of the carbon you can get. I'm sure CAN has their filters hooked up to paint shakers or something similar to that, I shook the hell out of mine when I made one myself and I definitely couldn't get it as densely packed as the prefab ones.
 

NiteTiger

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The biggest difference in DIY vs Prefab for me was the density of the carbon you can get. I'm sure CAN has their filters hooked up to paint shakers or something similar to that, I shook the hell out of mine when I made one myself and I definitely couldn't get it as densely packed as the prefab ones.

Yeah, at home it is nearly impossible to get that level of compaction. You can get reasonably close, however, by using any kind of motor with an unbalanced load. Someone earlier mentioned using a washing machine, and that is a great idea.
 

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