about potency

[Kush_Master]

i grew some strains that are considered to be very potent and knock-out.
like sensi star, a sensi star/bubba kush cross and my last grow herijuana.

with the heri the breeder even warns that its not for unexperienced smokers. ppl are supposed to get whities and start puking from it.

now while all those strains are very enjoyable im kind of disappointed in the potency. its not the knock-out high i expected. they ARE potent and give me a great high, but they dont leave me crippled and drooling like i expected. one coul blame it on my tolerance but i tried my weed on unsuspecting once-every-blue-moon smokers and while they were stoned off their faces noone of them fell into a coma or sth. i remember i even smoked the sensi star at 5am and then went to work without a problem. thats not what i consider a knock out weed.

so am i doing sth wrong with my growing?
can growing parameters influence the potency?
do i have to look for certain phenos or what?

i want that smoke that rolls over you like a freighttrain and leaves you totally retarded and unable to move a muscle!

btw i DID get the desired effect when i tried some selfmade bubble on a friend/guinea pig. he had problems coordinating his legs to walk him home afterwards and came back ringing on my door 4 times because he forgot all of his stuff at my place. thats the shit im looking for!

 

[cork144]

when did you harvest? early?


sensi would be a total knockout indy if you left it a week over recommended.

 

[SuperHemp]

can growing parameters influence the potency?
do i have to look for certain phenos or what?

yes and yes

I've had some of my cuts vary greatly in potency/general dankness depending on who grows them out.

Also, most plants in a seed pack are not that good, some strains are better than others (Sensi star btw is supposed to be pretty consistent), but with todays situation you usually need to hunt for those magic phenotypes.

 

[HeriMarry]

The Heri I smoked , made me have a seizure last year . Some potent pot , it is .

Maybe Extrema would fit your liking , cross between ChemD and herijuana .

 

[harpocrates]

Potency is subjective.

 

[RollmeoneKenobi]

Also, most plants in a seed pack are not that good, some strains are better than others (Sensi star btw is supposed to be pretty consistent), but with todays situation you usually need to hunt for those magic phenotypes.

The problem is that you need more seeds to grow out in a pack! People think that with femmed seed that they only need one seed of a strain. That is fine for some, especially if you are sampling strains. But when you are looking for those 'Elite' mothers you have grow out 100's of seeds, depending on the strain. The more stable the strain the better your odds of finding a keeper. For example Mr. Nice Seeds gives around 20 seeds a pack ; which from most reports people find a real keeper out of.

 

[medmaker420]

I agree 20-30 seeds per pack OR at least 15 would be great to allow for proper pheno location.

 

[SuperHemp]

The problem is that you need more seeds to grow out in a pack! People think that with femmed seed that they only need one seed of a strain. That is fine for some, especially if you are sampling strains. But when you are looking for those 'Elite' mothers you have grow out 100's of seeds, depending on the strain. The more stable the strain the better your odds of finding a keeper. For example Mr. Nice Seeds gives around 20 seeds a pack ; which from most reports people find a real keeper out of.

I don't have space to run a load of seeds anyway, i feel we should have more stable strains, not just more of the same unstable stuff in the pack.

I've grown a variety of strains for two years now and not yet had a single overall great plant, only plant with a true quality high is my 16-18 week flowering hzXsk#1. If it finished in less than 12 weeks and actually formed buds rather than just a few pistils here and there I'd call it a great plant, but i keep it just for the high.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Herijuana needs far longer than the breeders say. I haven't seen any of it finish in less than 11-12 wks. 9-10 is way too early if you are looking for knock out.

 

[outdoordreams]

Keys to potency.

Some times you will find that a plant from seed is not a potent as the same plant after it has been cloned once or twice. It has something to do with the age of the plants cells.

Harvest your plant when they tell you to. Not when the magazine or some stranger says so. Wait until you can see the crystals starting to change color. Something like 20% Clear heads 60%Cloudy 20%starting to amber.

Drying your herbs and curing your herbs will increase your potency exponentially.
Start by drying in a room about 70degree F, and with a humidity of 70%. Drying should take 7-14days. Then you will want to cure it for 2 months or longer.
There have been killer strains, reported to have killer highs, that where not getting the guys Killer highs, but once those guys cured the weed for 2 months they reported Super killer highs. (this is only true for some strains)

I like to mix MH and HPS to balance out the plants energy.

Try harvesting your plants at different stages and experiment with the high each stage can give you.

Key to potency, buy seeds from the BEST breeders, not just a breeder.
You will have to grow more than 10 seeds to find killer ones. (not always)
This has little to do with breeding and more to do with the way genetics work.
(for example our favorite weed in my circles is Breeder Steves Sweetskunk, a cross of SweetPinkGrapefruit (killer weed), and a NLxHaze male (from Sensi seeds, potent herb), and Steve had to grow out 1000 to find the one cutting we call Sweetskunk.)
There is a difference between elite cuts and good cuts. Its all about selection.

If breeders gave out 10 packs that are true breeding, how many companies will KNOCK IT OFF next week?

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

I could have written outdoordreams post and agree totally with (nearly) every word.

Cure is essential. 100 days minimum. 180 optimum
outdoor's suggestion about trich color and harvest is dead on. too early, too late is bad.

He left out one little point: Find a strain with good potency and a high that you like and then grow the plant enough to know its secrets, its pheno's and its behavior. In every case, exceptional weed comes from growers that have grown the strain and are familiar with its range of characteristics. then you can identify the potential and make the exceptional selection.

He was right on about using seeds from proven, quality breeders as well. I bet he would also agree that even though there are thousands of varieties and companies available, the strains that have exceptional qualities are few. Its my opinion that you can count them all useing your fingers and wont need any toes.

I want to add this. I have 2 favorite strains i grow all the time. Sensi star and Bubbleberry. The sensi star is more potent than the bubble berry, but the high is so happy and the taste is so pleasant with the bubbleberry that i would probably choose it every time over the star, even though the star pheno i have causes head trauma. I know several experienc ed growers and smokers and all of them would state if asked ,that they don't really grow for potentcy, but for affect.


Good luck in your mission

 

[Elevator Man]

I'm not surprised you haven't found what you were looking for in the first post, as I don't believe cannabis is capable of those effects - you're requiring opiate/alcohol/sedative strength from a relatively stimulating herbal compound. Even strong, depressing indicas should be resistable.

Much of what's reported about 'heavy strains' is bollocks, in my experience, and although they're strong and 'couchlocky', they hardly put you to sleep - well, they never have with me anyway, and I prefer stimulating highs, so one would imagine I would be very susceptible. There's some pretty lightwight smokers out there, if that is the case.

I'll happily smoke them at bedtime to help me get there, but I would never expect (nor want) cannabis to 'put me out'.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

I'm not surprised you haven't found what you were looking for in the first post, as I don't believe cannabis is capable of those effects

i agree 100%- never had any weed from 1970 to present day that has gotten me so high where i can't function.. but give me 2 (maybe 3) vodka's, and i'll be pukin all over

 

[outdoordreams]

Potency is a personal thing.

I have grown lots of herbs. One killer type, got me high, but my bro would puke!

I sampled a Shiskaberry nug in Montreal that was super potent herb, made me and my old lady feel like we had eaten mushrooms. No visuals, but our bodies were fucked, our minds did nothing but talk philosophy, 3-4 hours of intense high.
I sampled a AK47 nug in Amsterdam that a pinner left 4 people so high, 4 hours later, I still had a full body mind buzz.

Ask Dj Short about Highs, he will tell you many stories of weed so strong your head would spin.
Ask people how strong the original Romulan cut was.

Killer weed is out there, you just are not going to find it in every 10pack.

 

[southpaw]

I'm not surprised you haven't found what you were looking for in the first post, as I don't believe cannabis is capable of those effects - you're requiring opiate/alcohol/sedative strength from a relatively stimulating herbal compound. Even strong, depressing indicas should be resistable.

Good point EM. I was thinking the same thing.

I've got two year cured Maple Leaf Indica that gives me a pretty good crippled sensation for about 20-30 seconds after about the fourth hit, but I can usually clear my head long enough to get something done before I crash. I think it's fair to expect a KO off of a highly touted indica, but selection, conditions, physiology, and cure all play big factors.

 

[morgan8]

tolerance

tolerance

Hey KM,

Take a month off, annually.

Last time I did, then smoked, I felt so stupid was afraid I would forget to breath.

Can't beat the potency of the Diesel - OG Kush family, but so what if you have to smoke more than one hit.

peace, love, etc

 

[reservationlabs]

Potency is a personal thing.

That statement is so very true. I have the Northern Dreams strain that I created that I personally will never smoke again. It is way to powerful for "me".
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=107185

But others smoke it and love the body numbing, couch lock, drool on yourself, mind trip so bad that you have to sleep it off feeling. One thing is for sure no one has not said that it is not stupifing. But it is not my cup of tea. I dig the Trainwreck, Haze and Mexican.

 

[Fuel]

It's a personnal subject...i share it, and depend on the receptors of everyone scientifically but it's not truly the subject.

You quote the Sensi Star, it's one i known well and it's strong, no way (OG Kush isn't, not surprised for the hybrid rate). But to verify it in sharing some cones of your weed with friend is a good point.

Maybe i had more chance in my background, but nearly the same happened to me. With uncomfortable positions sometimes. My chance was to knowned how to be knocked out with a cone and lost 60 IQ in 15 minutes; but i was unable to be out off service with coffeeshop strains... wich coutained too percent of indicas, a stone not fitted for my own physiology.

And when you say than you smoke pure sativas for be stone as hell... the others laugh in don't thinking about the effiscient ceiling performances of sativas, and a different research in smoke.

If you can't be knocked out by a short sexy candy... try a tall lady domination.

 

[Kush_Master]

thx guys some awesome info here.
curing is a very good point. and also about making a break lol, unfortunately i havent taken a break from smoking longer than a week for years now.

first of all that coma weed does exist! we got it years back around here and it would literally knock you out every time you smoke it. i smoked some with my back then gf, we got horny and would literally pass out while undressing each other. if something can keep me from sex its really good! but i dont know what strain it was. it was legendary around here. a friend bought a sack and then just disappeared for weeks lol.

about the sativas; i dont even smoke them. they fuck me up but not in a good way, i get paranoid and my mind (which is racing all day anyway) gets into hyperdrive. i get thought patterns almost like on shrooms and it freaks me out. but then again i havent smoked a good sativa in quite some time maybe ill give it a try again soon. ill most def smoke som good landrace sativa from cambodia soon and see how that goes. i dont really trust the indoor sativas. we had some outdoor ed rosenthal last year which was awesome, super nice happy high. the indoor version from same cut wasnt nearly as enjoyable.

that northern dream sounds like my cup of tea hehe!