Do you think cannabis is harmless?

[Rosy Cheeks]

Yes, but the poll is the poll and my comment is a side-note.

You hit a nerve when you said there is no logical connection between harmful and legality.

Should there not be? What is the point of forbidding something unless it is harmful, either for the individual or the society?

The only reason I see for forbidding something that is not harmful - like for instance recreational sex in certain religions - is because it conflicts with the ruling ideology.

What is the point of banning hallucinogenic drugs such as DMT, Peyote or LSD? They have no proven physical ill-effects on the human body, they have but marginal side-effects which are temporary, and cannot be classified as harmful unless severely abused.

But, two of the world's most dangerous drugs, cigarettes and alcohol, are legal and readily available. AND, heavily taxed. It's kind of like the world's governments are saying "since it's harmful we want a bigger slice of the proceeds.

That's drugdealer mentality. "This stuff is killer, it'll cost you extra".

 

[Chimney]

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[xxd]

as far as I am concerned it is harmless. At least it does great benefits for me.

 

[lysol]

Yes, but the poll is the poll and my comment is a side-note.

You hit a nerve when you said there is no logical connection between harmful and legality.

Should there not be? What is the point of forbidding something unless it is harmful, either for the individual or the society?

The only reason I see for forbidding something that is not harmful - like for instance recreational sex in certain religions - is because it conflicts with the ruling ideology.

What is the point of banning hallucinogenic drugs such as DMT, Peyote or LSD? They have no proven physical ill-effects on the human body, they have but marginal side-effects which are temporary, and cannot be classified as harmful unless severely abused.

But, two of the world's most dangerous drugs, cigarettes and alcohol, are legal and readily available. AND, heavily taxed. It's kind of like the world's governments are saying "since it's harmful we want a bigger slice of the proceeds.

That's drugdealer mentality. "This stuff is killer, it'll cost you extra".

Rosy I think we are of the same view, substances should be fully LEGAL, even if they cause harm. A "horseless carriage" was once considered to be a very dangerous concept. It is dangerous. I know people it has killed. I still drive my car every day, going 90mph while driving with 1 knee and eating a cheeseburger. I should be allowed the personal freedom to partake in danger.

That is my view on legality.

Which is separate from my view on the danger (I think it should be considered dangerous, I also think it should be legal. Can't I hold those two distinct beliefs?)

But, two of the world's most dangerous drugs, cigarettes and alcohol, are legal and readily available. AND, heavily taxed.

That's my point exactly. There is no logic connection between legality and danger, nor should there be.

If anything I should be able to take LSD, but not able to drive like a maniac because I could take out a van with a soccer mom full of kids.

Hence my statement that there should be no logical connection between [personal] danger and legality.

 

[Pallidus127]

Rosy I think we are of the same view, substances should be fully LEGAL, even if they cause harm. A "horseless carriage" was once considered to be a very dangerous concept. It is dangerous. I know people it has killed. I still drive my car every day, going 90mph while driving with 1 knee and eating a cheeseburger. I should be allowed the personal freedom to partake in danger.

That is my view on legality.

Which is separate from my view on the danger (I think it should be considered dangerous, I also think it should be legal. Can't I hold those two distinct beliefs?)

While I understand what you're saying and agree, I think this is a bad comparison to drug use. One second of inattentiveness while your plummeting down the road at 90 driving with your knee and eating a cheeseburger could result in a car accident and a 42 car pile up. My sparking a joint doesn't even put anyone in danger...

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

While I understand what you're saying and agree, I think this is a bad comparison to drug use. One second of inattentiveness while your plummeting down the road at 90 driving with your knee and eating a cheeseburger could result in a car accident and a 42 car pile up. My sparking a joint doesn't even put anyone in danger...

Yes, a very poor comparison. When I take drugs, I'm affecting myself.

When I'm driving recklessly, I'm endangering not only myself, but also anyone that happens to be in the path of the steel wrecking ball I'm flying down the road in.

 

[ithinkiam]

I do not think cannabis is an inherently harmful substance. Perhaps it is people that make it that way. Whether it be because they are using it irresponsibly or because they are not psychologically grounded enough to manage experiences under its' influence. And plus, it always a good idea to understand WHAT marijuana is to begin with. Education is key.

 

[lysol]

I called contrasting, not comparing.

Since you totally missed the point I am saying the laws are fucked up. Do I really have to spell out what I meant?

While I understand what you're saying and agree, I think this is a bad comparison to drug use. One second of inattentiveness while your plummeting down the road at 90 driving with your knee and eating a cheeseburger could result in a car accident and a 42 car pile up. My sparking a joint doesn't even put anyone in danger...

Yes, a very poor comparison. When I take drugs, I'm affecting myself.

When I'm driving recklessly, I'm endangering not only myself, but also anyone that happens to be in the path of the steel wrecking ball I'm flying down the road in.

Hence why I stated legality and danger are two concepts that do not correlate! No wonder you make so many enemies GrnMtnGrwr, you start a disagreement where none exists. wtf? This is the third time I have clarified my view point. Congrats on not paying attention in life.

 

[MickTheBrag]

keep your vape pretty "clean" and cannabis is virtually harmless when used with a vaporizer.

just my opinion.




peace.

 

[ithinkiam]

keep your vape pretty "clean" and cannabis is virtually harmless when used with a vaporizer.

just my opinion.




peace.

I've had the opportunity to use a vaporizer a few times and let me tell you!, it was great. Everything from the taste to the way the buzz hits you. It's an experience for sure!

 

[MoeBudz^420]

Yep, maybe not totally - it does have an LD-50 rating, although it is an astronomically high one. Matter of fact, it is the safest therapeutically active substance known to man. Not even 1 lethal overdose...ever - it's practically physically impossible to OD to a point of harm other than feeling shitty for a couple hours (ie) a whitey).

If it was truly harmful, you'd think they'd have a body to wave in front of the media after all these years of prohib. to support their views, & if they had one, believe me - they'd be waving it like a flag, saying "SEE! we told you so!!

I agree that abuse is not a good thing, no matter what you're abusing. But at least w/ cannabis - it will not kill or poison you. Unlike other things...cough alcohol poisoning cough...

About the most harmful thing I can think of regarding cannabis or any other intoxicant is (ab)use by young kids who's brains are not fully developed yet, however rare it my be. (I have never seen anyone younger than mid-teens come to buy some at a dealer's place in all my years, no 8 yr olds by far. But in larger cities, who knows...)

The easiest way to control that is thru legalization and regulation...



Peace

 

[ithinkiam]

About the most harmful thing I can think of regarding cannabis or any other intoxicant is (ab)use by young kids who's brains are not fully developed yet, however rare it my be. (I have never seen anyone younger than mid-teens come to buy some at a dealer's place in all my years, no 8 yr olds by far. But in larger cities, who knows...)

The easiest way to control that is thru legalization and regulation...



Peace

Word!

 

[Hydro-Soil]

i have been fucked up on many things..but never have i wanted to turn the high off more,but after eating hash brownies and feeling like it was over,i could not drink enough water. i felt like everything was cottonmouth, racing heart, totally blood shot eyes ,yes i think cannabis can kill a human.. white thunderfuck brownies will kill or can kill i say..

You didn't eat nearly enough. Triple that and you'll pass the F' out. 10 times that and you'll pass out for a few days.

No... you're not gonna OD on cannabis brownies.... unless it's a 4" thick layer of trichome-hash in an 8x10 pan with a chocolate chip on top. Even then... it's not gonna kill you. (And it's not really a brownie.)


Get an education on the subject. You were just way too high for your liking is all.... nowhere close to dying.


Stay Safe!

 

[ithinkiam]

Hydro-Soil, I dig yer sig.

 

[headband 707]

No Hydro-Soil you don't OD but I have seen ppl scream, pass out for 18 hours, pass out for 3 hours,not be able to walk, think I put hard drugs in the bud lol.. As it was stronge bud.. Have very adverse reactions that say they would never smoke bud again etc. So although personally I love bud . I know there are others that hate bud or have bad reactions to it. You never know what the hell a person is going to do till they do it.peace out Headband707

 

[lysol]

I've had the opportunity to use a vaporizer a few times and let me tell you!, it was great. Everything from the taste to the way the buzz hits you. It's an experience for sure!

Once you switch you won't go back. Only one vape works that I've used. The volcano digi! All other vapes including the volcano classic (too hard to find the sweet spot) did not work as well as smoking. With the new digi I can really dial myself in. I've tried quite a few vaporziers.

PS and oh yeah, fuck EZ valve its a marketing scam, get solid state

 

[YngDodger]

Long Term Use

Long Term Use

My doctor told me long term use they've noticed an increase in estrogen... so because if you don't want bitchtits. LOL

Not that it would stop me. Personally I noticed when I use marijuana to escape from stress, etc. it just ends up making matters worse, increasing depression and so forth. So I don't think it's physically harmful really (nothing like alcohol by comparison), but HOW you use it should be considered.

 

[ithinkiam]

Personally I noticed when I use marijuana to escape from stress, etc. it just ends up making matters worse, increasing depression and so forth. So I don't think it's physically harmful really (nothing like alcohol by comparison), but HOW you use it should be considered.

Interesting that you mention this because when I'm depressed I don't smoke. I only like to toke when I'm in a good mood or when I'm feeling introverted or when I'm sick (stomach ache/bone pain). Cannabis is just one of those substances I prefer not to abuse when I'm in a bad mood. And I think that is a good thing. At the very least it shows that I am not dependent on the plant.

 

[ithinkiam]

But I'd also like to note that that does not mean it can't help other people with depression. Sometimes I really think certain people just need to smoke out once in a while...and maybe they would "find" whatever it is they're "looking for". To each his own.

 

[headband 707]

There are three parts in the brain that pot effects one of which is called the hippocampus which is responsible for your memory which is probably the most troubling to me lol lol. Being a long time pot smoker I have noticed a memory lose lol lol.. Will I give up my bud ???...HUMMMMM nahhhh lol..peace out Headband707