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Poll: Can an earlier shot of pk (@12/12 flip) increases yeild?

Poll: Can an earlier shot of pk (@12/12 flip) increases yeild?

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ShroomDr

ShroomDr

CartoonHead
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IMHO giving bud blood(0-39-25; i think) to plant that was on Veg Ferts (something like 120-60-180 then pk boosted yielding a 80-110-220) will cause the plant to stop stretching.

Feel free to debate that here.
I would also like to debate (and poll) whether you think this earlier budset will increase yield? Im sure a mid flower pk boost works, this poll is about an early boost! personally i dont think so, and i think you need a little stretch.
I would also like to debate if there is a difference between these early pk boosters and later boosters. i would think, without using pgr's a pk boost is a pk boost
 
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Carl Carlson

ShroomDr said:
IMHO giving bud blood(0-39-25; i think) to plant that was on Veg Ferts (something like 120-60-180 then pk boosted yielding a 80-110-220) will cause the plant to stop stretching.
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What Really Causes Stretch?

- Paul V. Nelson, Chen-Young Song, and Jin-Sheng Huang

Differences in plant height among the many fertilizers varying in ammonium-nitrate proportion are controlled by the phosphate — low phosphate levels result in compact plants, high phosphate levels result in tall plants.
 
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SSLcloner

New member
Thats a pretty interesting article, but they didnt really specify what type of stretching. It seems to me, that the article is discussing the overall compactness/stretchiness of growth as opposed to the stretch associated with flowering induction that Shroom is talking about.
 
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redheadfreakin

Member
I have never seen nutrients cause earlier budset.
Stretch is good unless you have low height restrictions.
Best to give balanced diet.

I would add that early pk boost will actually hurt yield.
 
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Bud Bug

its hard to say as I've seen people swear 0-39-25 boosters gets them more flower sites and flowers setting faster.

I've also talked to a lot of people who saw no difference whatsoever.
 
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Carl Carlson

SSLcloner said:
It seems to me, that the article is discussing the overall compactness/stretchiness of growth as opposed to the stretch associated with flowering induction that Shroom is talking about.
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That's true, but maybe it applies all the same? It might be worth experimenting with.
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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Shroom Dr

If you watch Big Mikes video, P is overused by everybody.

I like your NPK ratio for grow and bloom 120-60-180
 
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Carl Carlson

PetFlora said:
Shroom Dr

If you watch Big Mikes video, P is overused by everybody.

I like your NPK ratio for grow and bloom 120-60-180
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There are others that have been saying this for a few years, especially as it relates to coco.

Too much P is bad for taste, just like N, but the N can be flushed.

PK 9/18 might be a better choice than 13/14.
 
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Guywithoutajeep

A rep from House & Garden told me that PK13/14 is used only for a week, 4 weeks before harvest. He explained that it essentially shuts down or kills off the outer and pulls the sugars to the tops. Its a signal that the fall season is coming...Bloom boosters are used (shooting powder, mother of all blooms) as the finishing product.
I like the high K lower P at finish.

I have a buddy that goes by the high K finish and he produces the best buds I've smoked. P is a necessary evil I guess. I hope to experiment with all the different finishing products one day.
 
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YosemiteSam

Then again, if you actually do the math, Big Mike's formula (with the added PK boosts) provides more total P to the plants by far than the Lucas formula.

Sayin one thing and selling another is fucked up in my humble opinion. Kinda makes you question the mans true motives...ok, not really, I am pretty sure what his true motives are.
 
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ReelBusy1

Breeder
ICMag Donor
Bud Bug said:
its hard to say as I've seen people swear 0-39-25 boosters gets them more flower sites and flowers setting faster.
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I'm one of those people.
but I use a 5-45-30 in a ppm dose the plant is used to at that stage in the first week of flower
IMHO it helps in several ways to faster stronger seed production.
This I know for sure.

Again IMHO it has also accelerated my flowers bud and trichome production when I grow to smoke.
 
KyndBud

KyndBud

Member
The high P and K boost right in the beginning can increase the amount of flowering sites and initiates flowering sooner, which is why AN has used it in the past. Bud Ignitor, which is a 0-2-4, is now their early flowering formula. Instead of them using the high P/K, they use plant hormones extracted from kelp and seaweed, to reduce the stretching and speed up flowering. My buddies that use the AN Sensi line say that they have seen an increase in overall flower size and mass sooner in their cycle using the Ignitor for the first two weeks.

IMHO, certain strains do better with a little stretch, but I'm not a huge fan of high phos. I think the Ignitor does a better, less stressful job of regulating the lateral growth while promoting more flowering sites.

Peace
KB :joint:
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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YosemiteSam said:
Then again, if you actually do the math, Big Mike's formula (with the added PK boosts) provides more total P to the plants by far than the Lucas formula.

Sayin one thing and selling another is fucked up in my humble opinion. Kinda makes you question the mans true motives...ok, not really, I am pretty sure what his true motives are.
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Pretty sure thE above is not a true statement, BUT, I went to AN website to check THEY DO NOT SHOW THE NPK Ratios ON THEIR PRODUCT PAGES. WTF?
 
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