Do you think cannabis is harmless?

[lysol]

The vape is still bad for you. If you think I'm then lying then stop changing the bag/cleaning your volcano and see what happens as the months roll by.

If there were 0 tar in it, the parts would not get sticky and need to be cleaned, but seeing as they do get "sticky", I would assume it also leave the same stuff inside your lung. Kind of common sense.

 

[mriko]

Especially when smoked it can mess up your airways. But if you quit smoking recovery is quick.

Vaping cannabis doesn't seem to mess up my lungs although i notice a bit less lung capacity when i am vaping for a few weeks every day. But the breathing goes well and i am always full of air and no pain in the lungs.

That's weird considering that cannabis is an excellent expectorant and increase the oxygen flow by dilatation of lung cells. I smoke both tobacco & cannabis and when doing tobacco I can clearly feel that my lung capacity is decreasing through the contraction of lung cells.
It's total opposite when smoking cannabis, the air flows much freely.

Most negative side effect of cannabis are :

- First of all, it's illegal in most countries, which can lead one to many problem. That's the worst side effect !

- Taking too much in the wrong place & at the wrong time

- Not knowing what you're smoking (I mean which variety, this is probably part of the reason why some people get psychotic reaction. If you need a relaxing, calming weed, but are offered a racy sativa, you're in for some bad time; Many smokers can't make the difference just by the look of the buds actually)

- Adulterated products

- Unfinished products : many psychotic reactions are probably due to the fact that a very lot of the buds available in the streets come from plants which have been harvested too early and not well dried and cured (crime rings have no time for this).

Irie !

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

The vape is still bad for you. If you think I'm then lying then stop changing the bag/cleaning your volcano and see what happens as the months roll by.

If there were 0 tar in it, the parts would not get sticky and need to be cleaned, but seeing as they do get "sticky", I would assume it also leave the same stuff inside your lung. Kind of common sense.

So the only thing sticky is tar? Have you ever seen BHO, or Iso? I've seen some pretty sticky pictures... and it sure as hell wasn't tar.

If you fill a bag up, and just let it sit out, the vapor will condense on the bag. What do you think should happen? Do you think vapor is just an invisible, weightless material that hovers in the air forever? If you're vaping too hot, then yeah, you'll get some combustion and other stuff... but if you're vaping correctly, there is no tar.

 

[growcodile]

i think altering your brain chemistry on a daily basis is damaging to your psyche and well being. i've dealt with opiate addiction, and before that i've experienced anxiety from quitting cannabis alone.

ganja is great though, but i think like everything, there should be balance. once it becomes abused it becomes an unhealthy habit, self indulgent.

true words!! keeping a balance is so important .. but with cannabis the outcome isnt such a disaster most times if you fail this balance ..

 

[growcodile]

The vape is still bad for you. If you think I'm then lying then stop changing the bag/cleaning your volcano and see what happens as the months roll by.

If there were 0 tar in it, the parts would not get sticky and need to be cleaned, but seeing as they do get "sticky", I would assume it also leave the same stuff inside your lung. Kind of common sense.

vape can be bad because of dust matter in the vape, getting too hot/dry which also isnt so good for your lungs etc .. better use a water filter vaporizer !!

 

[headband 707]

Actually ppl if you watch the show The Nature of Things it's about the science and what they found out that in some ppl there is a chemical reaction that just doesn't work... Can't remember what it's called lol lol.. You would have to watch the show but very interesting shit. Nothing to do with smoking it at all ,it to do with the brain. If you can find it on the net I would suggest you watch it. Peace out Headband707

 

[Tripsick]

Actually ppl if you watch the show The Nature of Things it's about the science and what they found out that in some ppl there is a chemical reaction that just doesn't work... Can't remember what it's called lol lol.. You would have to watch the show but very interesting shit. Nothing to do with smoking it at all ,it to do with the brain. If you can find it on the net I would suggest you watch it. Peace out Headband707

You mean people no longer get high? or never did in the first place?
I know my tolerance is so high no matter what it is i'm lucky to stay "High" for 10 to 15 minutes. It took years of daily practice to get this way... even tolerance breaks only last a few days even if i stop for 3 months. and then after a few days of being stoned im back to my 15 minute high.

I only smoke at night if im working during the day....

Every now and then some of my non smoking friends end up smoking with me.... and in a few minutes i can see the fear in their eyes... i wish i could get that high...

 

[shadoweye976]

of course There is the possibility of negative side effects...weed is a drug and every drug has side effects...

but the side effects of weed r not so terrible like other drugs ,:alc speed etc


edit :i mean :taking over along time isnt harmless

 

[Pistil_Party09]

harmless.....i mean just LOOK at the foods and "medicine" around you.....everything these days kills you....but yet all these things have the FDA seal of approval.....
completely harmless? no....there are certain people who just shouldnt be altering their brain chemistry....but compared to pretty much all processed foods and modern "pills" etc....its harmless....i mean too many potatoes can kill you..should we outlaw potatoes?
and as for the tar thing...i quit smoking cigarettes about 8 months ago and i feel i am 100% recovered, i never have coughing fits, and am not short of breath at all....nothing giving me any signs of lung issues and i smoke about an 1/8th a week through a glass pipe.
i think most organic material that you are inhaling actually gets absorbed into your skin and does not sit it your lungs.....
plus look at how much smoke your inhaling with cigarettes...pack a day=an ounce of tobacco...which is sprayed with radioactive fertilizer, not to mention laced with hundreds of other chemicals....
i smoke an 1/8th a week....even less if i can get hash or keif...
1/8th a week = 0.5g pure organic flowers..per day.
7 packs o' cigs a week= 1oz nasty ass chemical sprayed nightshade leaves...per day.
think about it.
99.9% harmless.

 

[superjoint]

i have been fucked up on many things..but never have i wanted to turn the high off more,but after eating hash brownies and feeling like it was over,i could not drink enough water. i felt like everything was cottonmouth, racing heart, totally blood shot eyes ,yes i think cannabis can kill a human.. white thunderfuck brownies will kill or can kill i say..

 

[Pythagllio]

Well it can sure make you think you're going to die.

Breathing air isn't nalways harmless. Drinking water isn't always harmless. You can die if your food is prepared or handled incorrectly. I know someone who broke her ankle standing up too quickly after taking a vape hit. Holding cannabis 'harmless' is an impossible standard.

Relatively harmless is a more accurate phrase. But even that phrase empowers the propagandists, who need only to find isolated examples like a broken ankle from a head rush in order to 'debunk' the claim, at least in soundbite form.

 

[THC123]

The vape is still bad for you. If you think I'm then lying then stop changing the bag/cleaning your volcano and see what happens as the months roll by.

If there were 0 tar in it, the parts would not get sticky and need to be cleaned, but seeing as they do get "sticky", I would assume it also leave the same stuff inside your lung. Kind of common sense.

that sticky stuff is hash , it is the condensation of the thc vapor.

 

[MotherNatureMan]

You should of included the option of 'Harmless in moderation', I would of placed a vote on such an option. Interesting results to say the least.

Warmest regards,
MNM

 

[headband 707]

For some ppl pot just doesn't work.. I think lots of ppl have met ppl that have had problems either injesting pot or smoking stronge pot or the wrong pot. The Nature of Things just took it one step further with Cat Scans and identified why some react so bad .. ppl get pissed about these studies but they really shouldn't as the more you know the better off ppl are. The show is a bit long and it's not till near the end he starts to talk about how certain ppl have a certain reaction.. peace out Headband707

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vq8jG3zprg&feature=response_watch

 

[lysol]

Its definitely not hash on the inside of the bag. Also I find it depends, for some reason it happens more on my friends who uses EZ valve. He does vape at higher temps then me too.

And if it were hash. WHy in the fucking world would you want hash deposits in your bronchial system?

Or THC deposits or whatever. If you're going to smoke it and do the damage, at least don't lie to yourself.

that sticky stuff is hash , it is the condensation of the thc vapor.

If what you say is true, its hash... then if solids come thru the screen so would burnt plant matter (which eventually releases or becomes tar in some way if repeatedly heated). If you examine under radio shack scope you can clearly see bits of burnt plant. It is still a lot better then smoking though. It is still an allergen, so you will still get blocked sinuses like smoking.

Even walking out your back door and breathing the outside air is not good for you anymore, in the suburbs

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to the fools neg repping me, when I open the metal parts and there is kief, I know the shitty specks of black in the bag are not HASH. If the stuff touching the hot metal parts don't turn to hash, why would the stuff in the ROOM TEMPERATURE bag?

I don't know if any of you guys have had real hash, you probably tried to press ur own stuff and just de-activated ur kief. Real hash is brown or tan not black. You remind me of retarded hippies who scrape their bongs and think theyre smoking hash. Its resin, not hash. When you heat resin GUESS WHAT HAPPENS? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar

If its hot enough to vape, its too hot for hash pressing!!

Or more accurately pyrolysis. Wood turns to tar at only 200F. I put my vape at 385-405. dunno bout you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrolysis

And from the wiki page on vaping - "No combustion occurs, so no smoke or taste of smoke is evident. The vapor ideally contains virtually zero particulate matter or tar, and significantly lower concentrations of noxious gases such as carbon monoxide." From that wording I can imply, whoever wrote that article also agrees, some tar is still present no matter what.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer

The article goes on

Most vaporizers deliver dry, warm vapor that can irritate the throat and upper airway tree. By running the vapor through water and/or past ice to moisture, condition, and cool prior to delivery, irritation of the throat and upper airway can be reduced or eliminated. Raising the temperature so pyrolysis products like nitrosamine are present, is known to increase risk for cancer in exposed oral and airways epithelium, among other health effects of tobacco. A properly used vaporizer should never allow this to happen; however, many smokers making the transition to vaporization will make this mistake. Smoking means pyrolysis, so tar and noxious gas from cannabis combustion are absent in properly temperature constrained vapor.

The issue I would raise, is that "proper temperature" is entirely subjective. Some people do not get high from vaporizers at these low temperatures. Some users may prefer higher temperatures for a more "complete" high. Its entirely subjective. So yes, if you turned the temperature low and lower, eventually there would be absolutely 0 tar I guess. But if that doesn't get you baked, you're wasting weed.


(and keep in mind the only one with sources was the one that said tar occurs at 200F for wood).

These guys vaped at only 200F and released their study with the word "suppresses" tar in the title. (not eliminates, not removes, but suppresses)

Here's another http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1853086/?tool=pmcentrez see the word "decreases"? again, obviously implies there is still some there.

This analysis provided a rough look at the potential for vaporizers, and suggested that the machines could improve respiratory symptoms

"improve", not "stop".

These results suggest that the respiratory effects of cannabis can decrease with the use of a vaporizer.

Decrease, not stop

Potential biases?

These individuals might have consciously or unconsciously minimized their reports of symptoms that might cast cannabis in a negative light.

Users who have spent this much money and effort might minimize reports of their respiratory symptoms, consciously or inadvertently,

..and even still.

roughly 1/3 of the participants who used a vaporizer (52/152) did report symptoms

And for you Glen Beck followers who jump on conspiracies, yes this study does reference some other questionable studies, however in the scientific community this does not indicate their agreement with said study, they are merely referencing it to build their points on

Although the use of a vaporizer has the potential to increase the safety of cannabis as far as respiratory symptoms are concerned, pulmonary problems are not the only potential negative consequences of the plant. Reviews suggest that 9–12% of cannabis users develop symptoms of dependence [11]. Cannabis can lead to impaired driving skills [12], and heavy use in adolescence might create deviant brain structure [13] as well as decreases in intelligence [14]. A vaporizer offers no protection against these negative consequences. Nevertheless, a vaporizer has considerable potential for increasing cannabis drug safety by minimizing pulmonary troubles.

Basically here they are just being really careful to explain they are only looking at tar, and other possible negative effects were outside the scope of the study (even of those supposed other effects are total bullshit). So don't post back and be like ooh the government wrote this study as a scare tactic. Crazy conspiracy theorists, can already see it now.

In fact these guys are affiliated with pro-legislation organizations like NORML

ME is affiliated with organizations devoted to changing cannabis laws. ....... This work was funded by a grant from the Marijuana Policy Project. Special thanks to Elana B. Gordis for continued support. We thank two anonymous reviewers for courteous and helpful comments.

http://www.mpp.org/

Post some sources or GTFO guys

 

[nicktaste]

its not completely harmless, especially when smoked using a butane lighter, but it is much less harmful than most other substances known to man.

I consider substances like salt & sugar to be much more harmful than cannabis.

 

[Directrix]

nothing is harmless

 

[Red Fang]

I voted "harmless" only because there were no better options. I think it is nearly harmless when used properly, although I do not rule out slight harm. The point is, many legal substances are far more harmful. Potato chips, alcohol, cigs, caffeine, sugar, sometimes the air you breath. I think it can even be helpful and no I do not believe all the propaganda nonsense studies. If they followed real scientific methods, I would respect the results more.

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

nothing is harmless

I would re-phrase this into: a lot of things can harm you.

Some common household products that falls within this category:

AMMONIA: a very volatile chemical, highly damaging to your eyes, respiratory tract and skin.

BLEACH: a strong corrosive. It will irritate or burn the skin, eyes and respiratory tract. It may cause pulmonary edema or vomiting and coma if ingested. Mix it with with ammonia and the fumes will be potentially deadly.

CARPET AND UPHOLSTERY SHAMPOO: often include Perchlorethylene: Known carcinogen that damages liver, kidney and nervous system damage, and Ammonium Hydroxide: Corrosive, extremely irritable to eyes, skin and respiratory passages.

DISHWASHER DETERGENTS: most products contain chlorine in a dry form that is highly concentrated. # 1 cause of child poisonings, according to poison control centers.

DRAIN CLEANER: Most drain cleaners contain lye, hydrochloricacid or trichloroethane. Lye: Caustic, burns skin and eyes, if ingested will damage esophagus and stomach.
Hydrochloric acid: Corrosive, eye and skin irritant, damages kidneys, liver and digestive tract.
Trichloroethane: Eye and skin irritant, nervous system depressant; damages liver and kidneys.

FURNITURE POLISHetroleum Distillates: Highly flammable, can causeskin and lung cancer.
Nitrobenzene: Easily absorbed through the skin,extremely toxic.

MOLD AND MILDEW CLEANERS: Chemicals contained are Sodium hypochlorite: Corrosive, irritates or burns skin and eyes, causes fluid in the lungs which can lead to coma or death.
Formaldehyde: Highly toxic, known carcinogen. Irritant to eyes, nose, throat, and skin. May cause nausea, headaches, nosebleeds, dizziness, memory loss and shortness of breath.

OVEN CLEANER: Sodium Hydroxide (Lye): Caustic, strong irritant, burns to both skin and eyes. Inhibits reflexes, will cause severe tissue damage if swallowed.

ANTIBACTERIAL CLEANERS: may contain Triclosan: Absorption through the skin can be tied to liver damage.

LAUNDRY ROOM PRODUCTS: Sodium or calcium hypocrite: Highly corrosive, irritates or burns skin, eyes or respiratory tract.
Linear alkylate sulfonate: Absorbed through the skin. Known liver damaging agent. Sodium Tripolyphosphate: Irritates skin and mucous membranes, causes vomiting. Easily absorbed through the skin from clothes.

TOILET BOWL CLEANERS: Hydrochloric acid: Highly corrosive, irritant to both skinand eyes. Damages kidneys and liver.
Hypochlorite Bleach: Corrosive, irritates or burns eyes, skin and respiratory tract. May cause pulmonary edema, vomiting or coma if ingested. Contact with other chemicals may cause chlorine fumes which may be fatal.

And not to forget; pesticides, car wash and polish products, various types of petroleum distillates, etc.

A British study published by The Observer showed that women who work at home have a 55 per cent higher death rate from cancer than those who work outside the home, a statistic that the study argues is closely related to the increase in household cleaning products and toiletries.

All these extremely dangerous chemical products are legal and commonly available in supermarkets, we are even encouraged to by them in commercials.

But smoking the dried flower of a plant that has no known serious ill effects is forbidden and severely punished.

 

[lysol]

But smoking the dried flower of a plant that has no known serious ill effects is forbidden and severely punished.

I see what you're saying, there is a lot of stuff more harmful. I don't think there is any logical connection between how harmful it is and the legality. The poll was "is it harmless", not "why is it illegal" ;-)