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erbium

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/22/medical.marijuana/

(Health.com) -- Lynda, a 48-year-old mother of three who lives in upstate New York, got a diagnosis of fibromyalgia in 2000. While there are prescription medications for fibromyalgia, she's found one unconventional drug -- marijuana -- that really does the trick.

"I would use [marijuana] when the burning pains started down my spine or my right arm, and shortly after, I found I could continue with housework and actually get more done," says Lynda.

Fibromyalgia is notoriously difficult to treat and only 35 percent - 40 percent of people with the chronic pain condition get relief from the available medications. Although there are strong opinions surrounding its use, some patients are trying marijuana -- legally or illegally -- and finding it can help fibromyalgia pain.

"My patients are asking me all the time about it," says Stuart Silverman, M.D., a rheumatologist at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, in Los Angeles. "Historically and anecdotally, marijuana has been used as a painkiller."

Why marijuana sometimes helps

Our bodies naturally make pain relievers called endorphins, but they also make other substances that can trigger pain relief in the so-called endocannabinoid system. This system seems to play a key role in many processes in the body, including modulating how we feel pain. Marijuana contains cannabinoids very similar to those that occur in the body naturally.

Fibromyalgia patients typically experience bodywide pain, but they must often take multiple drugs for other symptoms, which can include difficulty sleeping, restless legs syndrome, depression, and anxiety. However, marijuana may treat multiple symptoms, and some patients are seeing results.

It seems logical -- why shouldn't fibromyalgia sufferers try marijuana for their symptoms, if they live in a state where medical marijuana is legal?

But there are two problems with herbal cannabis, Silverman and other critics say: It's a complex natural substance that contains about 60 different compounds with potentially medicinal effects, some of which may interact with one another. The other problem is that the amount of these various compounds may vary by batch, as marijuana is not synthesized but grown.

While Silverman says he has great hopes that synthetic medicines based on individual compounds in cannabis may one day help fibromyalgia patients (after appropriate randomized controlled clinical trials have been done), he argues that the real thing today is just too inconsistent.

"We think that there's probably a role for that class of compounds, the cannabinoids in general, and it's just a question of working out how that's going to be put into practice," says Mark Ware, M.D., an assistant professor in family medicine and anesthesia at McGill University, in Montreal, and the executive director of the Canadian Consortium for the Investigation of Cannabinoids.

Drugs derived from marijuana

Ware recently published a study showing that one such compound, nabilone (Cesamet), helped fibromyalgia patients sleep better. It was more effective than amitriptyline, a tricyclic antidepressant often prescribed to fibromyalgia patients to ease pain and improve sleep. And a study published a couple of years ago found nabilone helped lessen pain and anxiety in fibromyalgia patients.

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Nabilone is a synthetic analog of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol -- THC for short -- often thought of as the active ingredient of cannabis. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the drug back in 1985 for treating nausea in cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy.

The only other cannabis-based drug now on the market in the U.S. is dronabinol, which is sold as Marinol in the U.S. and is FDA-approved for treating chemo-related nausea and vomiting. It hasn't been tested formally in fibromyalgia patients, although Lynda received a prescription for Marinol in 2006.

"The drug makes me more tired and doesn't last long enough in my system, but I've stuck with it since then for two basic reasons -- I do supplement with marijuana, just not as many times per day," she says. "There are times that I don't use all day or week or month."

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A third cannabis-based medicine, Sativex, is now in clinical trials in the United States for treating cancer pain.

The drug is sprayed under the tongue or into the cheek, and contains THC and cannabidiol, a non-psychoactive compound found in cannabis that eases inflammation and pain and may also reduce the side effects of THC (like anxiety, hunger production, and some of the intoxicating properties), as well as a number of other compounds (other cannabinoids and terpenoids, which are analgesics in their own rights).

But do they help?

"It is quite possible that cannabis-based medicines could be helpful for sufferers of fibromyalgia based on available science," says Ethan Russo, M.D., who is senior medical advisor to GW Pharmaceuticals, which makes Sativex, and a study physician for the U.S. clinical trials now underway for cancer treatment.

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Russo says he's hopeful Sativex will get FDA approval for treating cancer pain in 2013. "While a theoretical basis for Sativex potentially helping benefit fibromyalgia symptoms is quite strong, and we know it has been very helpful with neuropathic pain and sleep disturbance in many other conditions," he adds, "it's ultimate utility in fibromyalgia can only be proven in a meaningful, practical fashion through formal randomized clinical trials."

For now, Ware says, patients with fibromyalgia who aren't being helped by their existing treatment might want to discuss nabilone with their physician. "A lot of doctors just don't know that these prescription cannabinoids exist," he says.

However, these drugs have side effects too. "The most typical side effects are what I call the three D's: drowsiness, dizziness, and dry mouth. It's not euphoria as such," he adds.

In Canada, federal law allows patients to use medical marijuana with a doctor's support (they can't prescribe marijuana because it's not approved as a drug in Canada) of the patient's application to possess; the drug is delivered directly to the patient, and grown under controlled conditions by the government.

"I have patients with a range of pain syndromes who have failed all their other treatments and for whom herbal cannabis has been the only reasonable option that they have that controls their symptoms," Ware says. In such cases, he adds, he will help the patient obtain the card they need to authorize them to possess the drug.

But in the U.S., the legality of medical marijuana is determined state-by-state (it's now legal in 14 states), and rules and regulations vary widely.

And while Attorney General Eric Holder said last year that he would no longer go after people who were selling or using medical marijuana legally, many users -- and potential users -- are fearful of the legal risks they may be taking.

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"Licensed for use or not, it's still a federal crime, says Dee, a 52-year-old medical assistant with fibromyalgia, who lives in Colorado, which passed a law allowing medical marijuana in 2000. While visiting a wellness center for therapeutic massages, staffers suggested she try marijuana for her symptoms.

After getting her doctor's approval, "I tried a little of this and a little of that. I would say that most of the time my pain was not relieved," although she did sleep better and had a better appetite. "I did find one plant that really did help, but it was hard to get, and you only get so much grown per plant for year."

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So when the time came for Dee to get her state license to use medical marijuana (Colorado gives people 90 days), at a cost of $90 every year, "I let the ball drop."

While Dee says she has no problem with medical marijuana, she is concerned about the increase of dispensaries across the state. "There are more places to purchase medical marijuana than banks or Mexican restaurants now," she says.

In New York, the state assembly has approved medical marijuana legislation, and Lynda says she is working to support legalization efforts there. For now, legal or not, she is continuing to use marijuana.

"I would suggest to any 'fibromyalgiac' to try marijuana if they are open to it," says Lynda.

"I swore when I became a parent I would not touch weed again (ah, youth), but times have changed, and I was desperate to find something for the burning pain so I could function. I'm glad that I made this decision because it works for me."
 

zeppelindood

Captain Expando
Veteran
Liquid gel Advil help but my doc says I can only have 3 a day, so toking is a tremendous help.... 1 Advil and a couple vapbongers every couple hours seem to keep the pain somewhat at bay.
 

Tripsick

Experienced?
Veteran
i use oxymorphone aka opana and thc.
still better than lyrica cymbalta neurontin savella and i forgot the other two horrible drugs they had me on...
 

erbium

Active member
I think it is great that 2 issues near and dear to me are covered on a major news network.

Hell, ten years ago many doctors still said FMS wasn't real and MMJ was taboo.
 

Flying Goat

Member
All FM & Chronic Fatigue patients - check out research on the XMRV retrovirus, thot to be the underlying cause of FM, CFS & ME, as well as potentially prostate cancer.

http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/xmrv_trials.html

They presently have a shortage of confirmed FM patients from which to draw blood samples... I have registered & would encourage y'all to do the same...

BTY, Erbium - Many docs in the South STILL say FM is not real... Keeps them from having to learn more about rheumatology & inflammatory-based disorders. [Fortunately, Big Pharma has all the answers - Lyrica, Cymbalta, etc., none of which are labeled for FM or neurological pain, for that matter (heavy sarcasm here).]
 

erbium

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I have had to program myself to push through pain or have no life. Ignoring pain has landed me in the ER three times as a result of "pushing through".

My most recent was a couple of weeks ago with Gout. The doctor couldn't believe I had been walking. Was great to find out I have another painful disease though!! I imagine finding out I had to blow a wildebeest to survive would be news of the same magnitude.

On the other hand, it allowed me to play congas the same night I broke my finger and the 2 following nights. In fact, I didn't miss a show.

It is a crazy cycle.

Any of ya'll have similar experiences?

Insomnia? IBS? Raynaud's? Fatigue? RLS?

I have to deal with all of those and apparently a lot of other Fibro folks suffer from the same.
 

Flying Goat

Member
Erbium - Gotcha, mate. One of my biggest struggles is with insomnia... Ditto, the IBS. RLS is probably the least of my worries, altho it does wake me up at night, which only compounds the insomnia.

I'm working on designing a plant specific to these issues of FM, along with chronic pain, which can be ready 60 days from seed, can provide continual harvest, & simple enough to be grown with minimal expense & tending by medical patients...

Yeah, I've been thru the gamut of medical "experimental" treatments... for sure...
 

Storm Crow

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These might interest you-

These might interest you-

From "Granny Storm Crow's MMJ Reference List"-

Delta-9-THC based monotherapy in fibromyalgia patients on experimentally induced pain, axon reflex flare, and pain relief
http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm?ID=7293&t=CFIDS_FM

Clinical Endocannabinoid Deficiency
http://www.freedomtoexhale.com/clinical.pdf

Cannabis Sativa (Marijuana) for Fibromyalgia
http://www.fibromyalgia-reviews.com/Drg_Marijuana.cfm

THC Reduces Pain in Fibromyalgia Patients
http://www.illinoisnorml.org/content/view/63/35/

Fibromyalgia: Effective Treatment with Medical Marijuana
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/november292007/leveque_fybromyalgia_112807.php

Fibromyalgia and Medical Marijuana
http://www.webmd.com/fibromyalgia/guide/fibromyalgia-and-medical-marijuana

Nabilone for the treatment of pain in fibromyalgia.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17974490

Marijuana Ingredient May Cut Fibromyalgia Pain
http://www.webmd.com/fibromyalgia/news/20080219/pot-drug-may-cut-fibromyalgia-pain

Synthetic Cannabis for Fibromyalgia Pain?
http://www.healthcentral.com/chronic-pain/c/5949/16104/fm-pain

Marijuana Derivative Called Effective in Fibromyalgia
http://www.medpagetoday.com/Rheumatology/Fibromyalgia/8377

The Effects of Nabilone on Sleep in Fibromyalgia: Results of a Randomized Controlled Trial.
http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medl...ia:_Results_of_a_Randomized_Controlled_Trial_


Granny :smokeit:
 

erbium

Active member
Granny, your list of resources was invaluable when I was gathering data to convince my Dr to support me in alternate treatment.

Thank you so much, from the bottom of my heart!
 
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/22/medical.marijuana/

Fibromyalgia is notoriously difficult to treat and only 35 percent - 40 percent of people with the chronic pain condition get relief from the available medications. Although there are strong opinions surrounding its use, some patients are trying marijuana -- legally or illegally -- and finding it can help fibromyalgia pain.

While Silverman says he has great hopes that synthetic medicines based on individual compounds in cannabis may one day help fibromyalgia patients (after appropriate randomized controlled clinical trials have been done), he argues that the real thing today is just too inconsistent.

So what is better? You say that drugs synthesized from cannabis are inconsistent, but it seems that drugs that are already on the market are just as inconsistent. How can you argue against the "real thing" when both are practically the same currently? Why not leave both options open so there atleast is a variety of alternatives?
 

iSmokeTrees

Member
thought, they argue against the natural thing because they can't manufacture it and sell it to us for trillions of dollars.
 

erbium

Active member
They are scientists, they live and die by details. They want to isolate and try all the potential combinations to see what does what. Not everyone can handle the herb and a lot of people are still very afraid of it after a lifetime of propaganda. Things along these lines are how these people have been programmed through all their years of schooling.

There are so many types of herb out there and we all know not every type helps with all ailments. They can't go prescribing Neville's Haze to an 80 year old woman who has never smoked before - she would have a heart attack.

They need to go through this type of regiment to get it in the mainstream as medicine. Not everyone has the access, the money, or the time to try multiple strains to find what works for them and many have multiple ailments. There is no regulation in the herb industry and one man's Widow is nothing like some other man's.

I still hope we will soon be able to grow it everywhere without fear though as medicine I am behind them trying to figure out exactly what terpine/cannabinoid combinations are most effective with what ailments.

Science, nature and freedom can go hand and hand.

Things are changing and lately the changes have been coming pretty rapidly. I have a lot of hope.
 

Flying Goat

Member
thought, they argue against the natural thing because they can't manufacture it and sell it to us for trillions of dollars.

Precisely, Trees! American physicians & Big Pharma are not interesting in curing disease - they prefer it be managed, (i.e., long-term treatment of the patient with patented compounds which bring huge profits to the patent-holding corporation.)

Big Pharma is one of our biggest enemies when it comes to legalization. They stand to lose billions in profits if people were actually able to produce their own medicine... Egad!

Thanks, Granny! The list was very informative.
 

Storm Crow

Active member
Veteran
Any of you want a free copy of my list?

Any of you want a free copy of my list?

Drop me a PM and I'll email you a copy just like what I have at home on my computer!


Granny :dance013: :party::jump: Happy Holi!*





*an Indian festival held on today's full moon- LOTS of bhang is consumed. Run a search!
 

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