Too many plants flowering, would you take some out?

[Fraggle Rock]

Ok,I have a small 5'x5' grow tent with a 1000 HPS - I have 7 plants in 5 gallon and 6 plants in 3 gallon. The 3 gallon plants were added about 7 days after the first 7 5 gallon plants started flowering. They are the same Blueberry Strain....All organic EJ nutes!!

Currently I am 4 weeks into flower and have about 4 more to go...I am dealing with PM because of the lack of airflow through the canopy. I've added fans and move them around, but its pretty crammed.

Would you take a few of the 3 gallon plants out to make more room for the rest and hopefully have less PM issues. I can put the mid flowering plants on my patio and shield them from rain if it ever comes...the weather is starting to get nice anyway. I just want the best thing for my plants the last 4 weeks of flowering.

Thanks everyone in advance!!!

 

[junior_grower]

you can do some fan leaf trimming? look at a sulfur burner, run it till you see signs of tip burn then back off.

 

[Directrix]

fan leaf trimming? I hope you're kidding...

No man, it looks good. That's the awesome thing about HPS, they have deep light penetration. I wouldn't change a thing!
You gotta think about at the end of flowering, a lot of those fan leaves might drop or droop and let more light to the bottoms.

Just trust the plants, they know what they are doing.

 

[junior_grower]

fan leaf trimming? I hope you're kidding...

No man, it looks good. That's the awesome thing about HPS, they have deep light penetration. I wouldn't change a thing!
You gotta think about at the end of flowering, a lot of those fan leaves might drop or droop and let more light to the bottoms.

Just trust the plants, they know what they are doing.

did you not read hes getting PM there are two way to help the sulfur burner and more airflow some trimming will in the end be more beneficial than a crop lost.

 

[Fraggle Rock]

you can do some fan leaf trimming? look at a sulfur burner, run it till you see signs of tip burn then back off.

Thanks for the advice, I trimmed some of the lower 1/3 and I can't run the sulfur burner for the risk of smell and taste. Additionally I have used Neem oil in the last 30 days.

fan leaf trimming? I hope you're kidding...

No man, it looks good. That's the awesome thing about HPS, they have deep light penetration. I wouldn't change a thing!
You gotta think about at the end of flowering, a lot of those fan leaves might drop or droop and let more light to the bottoms.

Just trust the plants, they know what they are doing.

I trust them, I just feel they are too crammed in there to allow for good airflow throughout the canopy. I just thought that would help with the PM. I have plants wall to wall in there now....if I took out 3 or 4 I wouldn't have all the plants touch the walls. Thanks for the input!!

 

[junior_grower]

whats the RH at? can you run a dehumidifier?

a nice organic home brew cure
mix together:

* 1 tablespoon of baking soda
* ½ teaspoon of liquid soap
* 1 gallon of water

Do not store unused mixture. While this recipe has been known to be effective, it can burn the leaves of some plants. It is recommended that you water your infected plants well a couple of days before applying this mixture, and don’t apply it in full sun. Try on a small area first, to test the plant’s response before spraying the entire plant.

 

[mad librettist]

maybe just thin out the smaller branches.

 

[TheGreenReaper]

In you pic you provided, I can see the floor through the plants canopy. If you can still see floor at the end of week 4...you are fine. Its when you have to part 18 inches of jungle vines with blackness under the canopy that you are wee bit overgrown. Just spread the pots as best you can, then try to not to move them too much so they get photoreceptically situated (does that make sense). Maybe trim out any larf buds and stems from the bottom, if a bud isnt an inch long and 1/2 thick at this point, it needs to come off. This should help gain some airflow. I wouldnt take any plants out.

As far as PM, I use Greencure with fair results, but it can used through flower as it kills mold as well so you dont stress about "wet moldy buds" late in flower. It is just potassium bicarbonate (20x refined baking soda, but harmless to us). Spray really well, maybe once a week or so - as needed, up to a week before harvest.

Thread on PM using greencure: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=80568

Thread on PM, other solutions: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=121659

New shit I just found about today compliments of KrunchBubble: http://www.dowagro.com/turf/prod/eagle.htm

Good luck. Just aggressively attack the PM, your room is fine as far as canopy density in my opinion. Keep us posted as to progress.

 

[big ballin 88]

If theres anyway of bringing more fans in under than canopy that may prove beneficial. Trimming is a last resort if you have it really packed and can afford to do so. There have been some good opinions on this so far though.

 

[Fraggle Rock]

whats the RH at? can you run a dehumidifier?

a nice organic home brew cure
mix together:

* 1 tablespoon of baking soda
* ½ teaspoon of liquid soap
* 1 gallon of water

Do not store unused mixture. While this recipe has been known to be effective, it can burn the leaves of some plants. It is recommended that you water your infected plants well a couple of days before applying this mixture, and don’t apply it in full sun. Try on a small area first, to test the plant’s response before spraying the entire plant.

Thanks, I am going to save that and hit those girls in another week or so!! Good karma to you!

maybe just thin out the smaller branches.

Yup!! Did that today when I pulled them out!! THANKS!!

In you pic you provided, I can see the floor through the plants canopy. If you can still see floor at the end of week 4...you are fine. Its when you have to part 18 inches of jungle vines with blackness under the canopy that you are wee bit overgrown. Just spread the pots as best you can, then try to not to move them too much so they get photoreceptically situated (does that make sense). Maybe trim out any larf buds and stems from the bottom, if a bud isnt an inch long and 1/2 thick at this point, it needs to come off. This should help gain some airflow. I wouldnt take any plants out.

As far as PM, I use Greencure with fair results, but it can used through flower as it kills mold as well so you dont stress about "wet moldy buds" late in flower. It is just potassium bicarbonate (20x refined baking soda, but harmless to us). Spray really well, maybe once a week or so - as needed, up to a week before harvest.

Thread on PM using greencure: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=80568

Thread on PM, other solutions: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=121659

New shit I just found about today compliments of KrunchBubble: http://www.dowagro.com/turf/prod/eagle.htm

Good luck. Just aggressively attack the PM, your room is fine as far as canopy density in my opinion. Keep us posted as to progress.

Man thanks for all the input on this!! Very kind of you! I will try to get some greencure ASAP. No stores carry it near me I may try what junior_grower suggested interim.

If theres anyway of bringing more fans in under than canopy that may prove beneficial. Trimming is a last resort if you have it really packed and can afford to do so. There have been some good opinions on this so far though.

Yes, good call on that I added some small circulation fans and I hope that is helping!! Thanks again for the advice!! Peace!

 

[somebody041]

thanks for posting this question. right now my growroom is overgrown too. right before flipping the room to flower i added 4 more plants with the intention of removing them if it got too crowded. now it is too crowded, but i just can't bring myself to throw even one away

 

[VerdantGreen]

canopy looks good to me. as long as you have good extraction and good circulation then it should be good (good air movement helps stop the spores feom being able to land). try to water evenly and not let the plants get stressed. also feed very sparingly as that will help with the PM and Blueberry doesnt need much.

V.

 

[opt1c]

i do it all the time; best if it u get a tent and another light for em; good as reason as any.. but yeah i've culled many a plant off a tray 3-4 weeks into flowering after veg

 

[NiteTiger]

Sometimes PM can flourish even with good airflow. From what I can see there, you're not packed in too tight.

Grab one of the treatments mentioned above, and use that. Let those girls flower!

 

[vonforne]

A cheap R\H fix......cat little in a bowl. LOL it works.

A cyclone fan pointed to the ceiling for vertical airflow.

The plants do not look to thick but I would trim the lower branches so the plant can concentrate on those top flowers. Just move them around a bit.

And I would rotate the plants so the sirflow is different for them every other day or so.

V

 

[grapeman]

Like V says, maybe a slight trim of lower branches. BUT, as far as the mildew goes. don't pussy foot around. Get a REAL mildewcide. Elite, Rally, Seranade or something registered in the Ag world for tomatoes, not the shit in the hydro store (unless they got the good stuff behind the counter waiting for you to ask for it) or Home Depot. I didn't see that you were trying to be organic and it's NOT too late to spray. If you use a REAL mildewcide, wet top and bottom of all leaves and stems. I wouldn't be afraid of wetting everything at this stage. Use a good spreader/sticker. A good mildewcide will protect for 21 days. That's all you need. Even if you were organic, when it comes to mildew, I myself will change my grow from organic to non-organic on a dime if i had to.

My 2 cents.... but no one ever listens to me, even though I know more about mildew then they do.

As I read through all these differing suggestions they sure get complicated and burdensome. Just do what V says and spray a good product throughly and that's it. You're good till finished.

 

[NiteTiger]

Just as an FYI: You can rinse plants that have been treated with foliar sprays late in flower. Some folks give them a plain water drenching foliar spray. I personally will cut the plants for harvest, trim, then a dunk in a bucket of water before they're off to the drier!

Now, you'll want to make sure you've got a really effective drying area you're using, and KNOW it will dry them out well enough that they won't rot. My drier is a specifically constructed cab with a heat source, and tremendous airflow.

 

[Double Kindness]

I had a PM issue a while back and like junior grower suggested, I udes that recipue with disasterous outcome. I didn't rinse the baking soda mix off of the plant and it practically killed my plant, and it never truely recovered. Rinse really really well after treating your plants with the baking soda solution and I also agree with increasing the airflow and trimming the bottom branches that are just going to produce a lot of popcorn. It is a bit tight in there and the blueberry does pack on considerable weight in the last half of flower, if it is possible you might want to consider taking one plant out and revegging it to get more light penetration in the canopy and a better yeild and denser buds and increased air flow. You don't need to cull a plant out of your garden due to a little over crowding, your situation isn't dire, but if you did remove one plant I think you might be happier with the end result from your garden.

 

[HighonPottery]

dunno what your climate is, but it's basically 12/12 in my area. if it were me, i'd take a few out and put them under the sun, maybe in a greenhouse if you have to. i've done this several times - take flowering plants and have them finish outdoors. the thing you have to watch is the transition of light schedule. so far i've had great success, but i'm sure some strains won't like it and might throw nanners. if anything i'd definitely take the advice given and increase airflow as well as trim up some of the popcorn.

 

[guest2012y]

A gifted Blueberry came to me with PM. I doubled the amount of neem mix in a spray and knocked it outta' there instantly. No problems since. Good airflow is always a plus. I have a garden that looks the same as yours and I move a lot of air through it.