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DEA playing Games, Part II
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elwaponino
Member
Any act of not upholding their word by any politician should be more than severe than just wait till next election. We need to hold these elected officials to their word and competency to the Constitution, if not they should be removed, immediately. It's just are mentality is all wrong about Govt., we care more about sex than even violence, remember Clinton's scandal, which wasn't unconstitutional, maybe immoral, maybe. But Bush's Iraq war was definetly Unconstitutional, but nobody said anything, he should be imprisoned for war crimes, we need to hold our elected officials accountable. There are two books out about Bush and his war crimes, One is called the Prosecution of George W. Bush.
I don't know who "those" people are. There are other people that go on tv about having 3 times the legal limit of pot, and saying they hope to make 6 figures annually off of it?
If they aren't arrested now, I assume they will be pretty soon.
JuneBugJoe
Member
Im sure the guy is a lot of peoples friend and all but man what was he thinking? No one deserves being handled by the man but that is the type of stuff that gives our community a bad name... I can only hope that people learn from this...
I would only suggest to everyone to think like a lawyer and do business like a drug dealer... remember rules 1 and 2.... We are all innocent till proven guilty and when he started waiving money in the DEA's face its obvious they would pay him a visit to check on his legality. he just so happen to not be within legal limits... Happens more than what we all hear about on national television and news... There are people getting busted all the time that are over limit... The news will target the stories which will entertain their beliefs, this being one of them...
I would only suggest to everyone to think like a lawyer and do business like a drug dealer... remember rules 1 and 2.... We are all innocent till proven guilty and when he started waiving money in the DEA's face its obvious they would pay him a visit to check on his legality. he just so happen to not be within legal limits... Happens more than what we all hear about on national television and news... There are people getting busted all the time that are over limit... The news will target the stories which will entertain their beliefs, this being one of them...
Atilla76 said it.
I like the phrase "Don't poke the bear".
I guess it is comforting to see so many other people 'poke the bear'.
Prophet, I am sorry for what happened to your boy, but it really didn't do the community much good to change the mindset of the opposition, especially in such a tolerant state as this.
It did, however, make a bunch of people think twice about moving here to do the same damn thing he was doing.
I think it really came down to 12 PATIENTS and 224 PLANTS. I do not know what maturity stage all of those were in, but if he had say 74.6 patients then it may have been a different story, or 37 patients if he had half in veg and half in flower. I am sure he was staging them, though.
And saying that he could barely afford to live on that 400+k a year he was bragging about, well, if he wasn't living well...someone else definately was! Or he misspoke and forgot to tell the world how he wasn't really making that.
A lot of details were left out, but if he had even 30 patients to be making 400+k yr...there would be a little more understanding from people who know how to do math.
And I am sure somebody from the DEA knew how to do basic Arithmetic.
Of course, had the DEA not busted him...
He would have probably been robbed. Maybe assualt and battery? Maybe they were just protecting the guy from getting rolled?
Well one can think happy thoughts, can't he???
I like the phrase "Don't poke the bear".
I guess it is comforting to see so many other people 'poke the bear'.
Prophet, I am sorry for what happened to your boy, but it really didn't do the community much good to change the mindset of the opposition, especially in such a tolerant state as this.
It did, however, make a bunch of people think twice about moving here to do the same damn thing he was doing.
I think it really came down to 12 PATIENTS and 224 PLANTS. I do not know what maturity stage all of those were in, but if he had say 74.6 patients then it may have been a different story, or 37 patients if he had half in veg and half in flower. I am sure he was staging them, though.
And saying that he could barely afford to live on that 400+k a year he was bragging about, well, if he wasn't living well...someone else definately was! Or he misspoke and forgot to tell the world how he wasn't really making that.
A lot of details were left out, but if he had even 30 patients to be making 400+k yr...there would be a little more understanding from people who know how to do math.
And I am sure somebody from the DEA knew how to do basic Arithmetic.
Of course, had the DEA not busted him...
He would have probably been robbed. Maybe assualt and battery? Maybe they were just protecting the guy from getting rolled?
Well one can think happy thoughts, can't he???
jollygreen420
New member
If anyone here thinks that the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT is going to do ANY GD THING for the legalization of MJ then you need to stop smoking as you have smoked yourself retarded.. There is no way in hell that his advisers would EVER let him lift a finger to make any drug legal that is currently illegal... Do you really think he is going to blemish the fact that hes the first black president? do you really think that anyone of his advisors is going to allow him to "tarnish" his term as president? This is a historical persidency.. People are going to be talking /studying about this man and what he does while hes in office until, well, forever ..... there is not a chance in hell that he is going to be known as the first black president and the one to legalize MJ.. "First Black Pres legalizes MJ".. Come on.. It will NEVER HAPPEN.. NEVER.. This man is a part of history.. He will never legalize MJ.. And honestly, I doubt that the next pres after Obama will either.. Simply because he is the president AFTER Obama.. Maybe in anoter 12 or 16 -20 years.. But not anytime soon.
HydroManiac
Active member
Obama is doing nothing all the talk about change was just another politician lying to everybody to get elected.
Position on Pot is a Bit Hazy
Source: Los Angeles Times
medical USA -- When President Obama nominated Michele Leonhart to head the Drug Enforcement Administration last month, those hoping for a sensible federal policy regarding medical marijuana -- one that promotes scientific research into its medicinal value and eschews prosecution when it is used in accordance with local laws -- shivered.
As special agent in charge of the Los Angeles Field Division, Leonhart zealously cracked down on dispensaries (though, it could be argued, that was during the Clinton and Bush years, and she was adhering to White House policy). Then, in 2008, as acting head of the DEA, she denied the application of a University of Massachusetts botanist to cultivate marijuana for research purposes (though that too was in line with the Bush administration's anti-science stance).
So what are we to expect now if she is confirmed by the Senate? Hard to say. Since Obama's swearing in, it has been unclear whether the DEA -- which Leonhart has been running as acting administrator since November 2007 -- is willing to abide by his administration's verbal and written policy of not pursuing medical marijuana operations that do not violate their state's laws.
On Obama's second day in office, the agency raided a dispensary in South Lake Tahoe. Two weeks later, five clubs in Los Angeles were raided, prompting a rebuke from the White House. A few days later, the DEA raided a club in Fort Bragg, Calif. That prompted a speech from U.S. Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. suggesting that federal resources shouldn't be focused on medical marijuana. In August, the agency raided more California clubs, and on Sept. 9, it moved against 20 in San Diego. Finally, in October, Holder put his directive in writing.
Nevertheless, last week the DEA in Denver raided a grower after he -- rather imprudently, it must be said -- went on TV to discuss his basement operation. In a jailhouse interview with local media, Chris Bartkowicz, who has a state license, defended his operation and said he believed federal agents would not target it after the Holder order.
After initially replying that marijuana is illegal and that they will raid whomever they please, the Denver agents now say Bartkowicz has more plants than state law permits. He says he doesn't. A judge will decide.
The confusion can be resolved only by Washington. Fourteen states currently have medical marijuana laws, and more are likely to adopt them, multiplying the legal disarray exponentially. Ideally, a coherent policy would flow from the director of the DEA and out to regional offices. But that may not be possible; it's not entirely clear that Leonhart ever received Holder's memo.
Source: Los Angeles Times
medical USA -- When President Obama nominated Michele Leonhart to head the Drug Enforcement Administration last month, those hoping for a sensible federal policy regarding medical marijuana -- one that promotes scientific research into its medicinal value and eschews prosecution when it is used in accordance with local laws -- shivered.
As special agent in charge of the Los Angeles Field Division, Leonhart zealously cracked down on dispensaries (though, it could be argued, that was during the Clinton and Bush years, and she was adhering to White House policy). Then, in 2008, as acting head of the DEA, she denied the application of a University of Massachusetts botanist to cultivate marijuana for research purposes (though that too was in line with the Bush administration's anti-science stance).
So what are we to expect now if she is confirmed by the Senate? Hard to say. Since Obama's swearing in, it has been unclear whether the DEA -- which Leonhart has been running as acting administrator since November 2007 -- is willing to abide by his administration's verbal and written policy of not pursuing medical marijuana operations that do not violate their state's laws.
On Obama's second day in office, the agency raided a dispensary in South Lake Tahoe. Two weeks later, five clubs in Los Angeles were raided, prompting a rebuke from the White House. A few days later, the DEA raided a club in Fort Bragg, Calif. That prompted a speech from U.S. Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. suggesting that federal resources shouldn't be focused on medical marijuana. In August, the agency raided more California clubs, and on Sept. 9, it moved against 20 in San Diego. Finally, in October, Holder put his directive in writing.
Nevertheless, last week the DEA in Denver raided a grower after he -- rather imprudently, it must be said -- went on TV to discuss his basement operation. In a jailhouse interview with local media, Chris Bartkowicz, who has a state license, defended his operation and said he believed federal agents would not target it after the Holder order.
After initially replying that marijuana is illegal and that they will raid whomever they please, the Denver agents now say Bartkowicz has more plants than state law permits. He says he doesn't. A judge will decide.
The confusion can be resolved only by Washington. Fourteen states currently have medical marijuana laws, and more are likely to adopt them, multiplying the legal disarray exponentially. Ideally, a coherent policy would flow from the director of the DEA and out to regional offices. But that may not be possible; it's not entirely clear that Leonhart ever received Holder's memo.
miltonchitlin
Member
It's disturbing that local news is willing to turn their news sources over to the DEA like this. You can say even a fish can't get caught if it keeps it's mouth shut. But none of that explains the other 20 grow room locations published by this news outlet in the original story. There's 20 grow rooms where the operators weren't out bragging who also made the story.
I'm shocked how thin the thread is that holds this community together. All this talk of being over the limit when the story says 100 of the plants are clones. An educated community would know a cannabis expert is going to testify in court that matter without a sufficient root system to support itself is not a plant.
Another thing nobody mentioned in this thread is the DEA was ordered NOT to destroy the plants. With the Colorado law being an amendment to the Colorado constitution there is legal footing we've never had in California. It's my understanding his lawyer is going to present a defense unlike anything we've seen before.
All you people ready to throw him under the bus after hearing from people that know him and have spoken up in this thread should feel ashamed they formed an unworthy opinion without any facts.
I'm shocked how thin the thread is that holds this community together. All this talk of being over the limit when the story says 100 of the plants are clones. An educated community would know a cannabis expert is going to testify in court that matter without a sufficient root system to support itself is not a plant.
Another thing nobody mentioned in this thread is the DEA was ordered NOT to destroy the plants. With the Colorado law being an amendment to the Colorado constitution there is legal footing we've never had in California. It's my understanding his lawyer is going to present a defense unlike anything we've seen before.
All you people ready to throw him under the bus after hearing from people that know him and have spoken up in this thread should feel ashamed they formed an unworthy opinion without any facts.
rmccinc719
Member
then were are the facts. show us some actual facts that support your claims. someone on hear claimed this guy's did more to help the mmj community than anyone else. then why does no know who this guy is till he gets popped by the dea. show us some fact's!! some one said he's never made any money. only enough to pay his bill's but it was him himself that was bragging about all the money he was making. show us some fact's!! I'm not hear to persecute this guy for doing wrong but if you want us to take his side for fucking up then you better come up with some fact's for yourself. who's his lawyer? i'n my opinion if he was so instrumental in helping this movement he would not have tempted his own fate and no lawyer with half a sence would have advised it. how about some simple fact's not just one mans word for another.
The nail that sticks out gets hammered. This guy should have known better than to do a TV interview like that, even if he was a med patient.
Nothing more than an opportunistic hit on by the DEA to show they can still be dicks.
Nothing more than an opportunistic hit on by the DEA to show they can still be dicks.
miltonchitlin
Member
Jeffrey Sweetin of the DEA's Denver office on Saturday:
"Marijuana is not medicine".
"Technically, every dispensary in the state is in blatant violation of federal law," he said. "The time is coming when we go into a dispensary, we find out what their profit is, we seize the building and we arrest everybody. They're violating federal law; they're at risk of arrest and imprisonment."
Obviously we have a rogue cop unconcerned about policy or the state law the policy is about. I really cant see why people are siding with the DEA on this one.
"Marijuana is not medicine".
"Technically, every dispensary in the state is in blatant violation of federal law," he said. "The time is coming when we go into a dispensary, we find out what their profit is, we seize the building and we arrest everybody. They're violating federal law; they're at risk of arrest and imprisonment."
Obviously we have a rogue cop unconcerned about policy or the state law the policy is about. I really cant see why people are siding with the DEA on this one.
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