Create Lowryder Strain

[rastaman.fb]

Blessed Love IC Massive

this is my first post on the forum.
so hello everybody im very thankful that there is this great oppurtunity to share information with everybody.

so to my question :

I want to create a Lowryder Strain with some of my own Strains.

Theres one thing that i dont finally understand, please help me out on this. I understand that there is no way to make a mother plant out of a lowryder because it will finish after 8 weeks BUT in those 8 weeks i think it would be possible to STS the plant and force it to produce pollen.

so this is what i would do:

- I f.e. have a fem. Lowryder plant and spray STS on it.
- I then take the pollen from the (sts) Lowryder and put it on another fem. plant

with this procedure do you think i will get : Lowryder x Strain y

??


Your help is appreciated.

Rastama.fb

 

[Nicoli]

You should probably focus on breeding the new autoflower strain you want to create FIRST.

And then once you've got a stable hybrid, make some fem beans of the stable strain.

The way you've described you want to do it, you wont have ANY autoflowering traits.

 

[rastaman.fb]

first of all thanks for the quick quick response

im not quite qetting what your tryin to say

 

[rastaman.fb]

first of all thanks for the quick quick response

im not quite qetting what your tryin to say

i have a stable strain i created with sts. it is DP Euforia x GHS Trainwreck

and now i wanted to create a autoflower version of this strain, so what would your suggestion be ??


I wanted to order autoflower beans let them grow for 2 weeks and then sts them and wait for da pollen

 

[GlassHoler]

Hey rastaman,
I'd wait till the breeders chime in, but I've read around here that male pollen is the key to the auto trait.

G'luck!

 

[bromhexine]

after crossing once you wont get autoflowering seeds. you'll need to backcross to the auto or inbreed several times. after one backcross you'll have around 50 percent auto i think. if you inbred he first batch would be 25 percent and then if you crossed the ones that autoflowered the next would be 50 percent and the next cross would be almost 100 i think. but after one cross theres no way any will auto. maybe 1 in 100.

 

[rastaman.fb]

alright i am totaly with you with the inbred topic, i understand that it wont autoflower after one cross, but im on the right way huh ?


so f.e. (from now on i will call my own strain knaller because thats what we call it, its the strongest i have smoked till date )


1. i cross knaller with Lowryder and get -> Hybrid F 1 ? ( im not sure how to label them with f1 or 2 or whatever , sry im no expert , but im open to any help )

after that

2. i take Hybryd f1 and cross it wit another (seed grown) plant from the same (seed) crop

and thats when im coming from 25 to 50 ?? or am i getting it wrong


bless.

 

[Nicoli]

What im saying is, create your stable new hybrid, so that it is 100% autoflowering, and THEN worry about making fem beans.

bromhexine is correct.

If you took Lowryder Male, and crossed it with your DP Euforia x GHS Trainwreck, you'd have (DP Euforia x GHS Trainwreck) x Lowryder F1's, which would not have any autoflowering characteristics. Once you grow those F1's out, inbreed those... the resulting F2 offspring would be approx. 25% autoflower... take those autoflowering plants and inbreed again, until you have 100%, it could take until F3's or F4's..

 

[rastaman.fb]

ok let aside the fem thing , but , sorry when im sounding silly with this one, but what would the actual action be.

im not really getting what you are trying to get me to do.
my strain is stable and now i want to join the autoflowering into the strain to make it, the strain+autoflower

sorry when im asking the questions a little bit dumb, but if questions get too complicated people tend to make science out of answers ^^

#1: cross knaller with ??
#2: ..
#3: ...
4#: ....

im not trying to get a '101 to creating autoflower strains' but i cant really imagine what steps i have to take , cuz i created my strain with 4 backcrossings and it now totally has its own characteristics and like 99% fem.


so what am i to do folks

but thanks for your help

 

[Nicoli]

(DP Euforia x GHS Trainwreck) x Lowryder F1's = 0% Autoflower
(DP Euforia x GHS Trainwreck) x Lowryder F2's = 25% Autoflower
(DP Euforia x GHS Trainwreck) x Lowryder F3's = 50%+ Autoflower
(DP Euforia x GHS Trainwreck) x Lowryder F4's = Should be 100%

You have to inbreed them until they are fully stabalized 100% autoflower.

If you make feminized beans BEFORE the plant is 100% autoflower, well then whats the point????

Do you understand?

 

[rastaman.fb]

yeah i understand alright

so at 1. i make the f1
then
2. ill germinate f1 seeds , sts an f1 plant, to make pollen again,
and put the pollen on another f1 plant from the same crop
and then wait for the seeds

and repeat that process a couple of times (and of course with good selection in plants)
just to make it short.

question2 : so the F1......n dedicates the generation ??

so 10 times inbred would be f10 ??

 

[rastaman.fb]

ooh now i get it

ill have to cross the outcome of the (euf x tw) x lowryder
with the lowryder again so that the lowryder genetics take a bigger part in the new cross?? and so on and so on ??

so it would be

1. (euf x tw) x lowryder
2. ((euf x tw) x lowryder ) x Lowryder
3. (((euf x tw) x lowryder ) x Lowryder) x lowryder

??

 

[Nicoli]

yeah i understand alright

so at 1. i make the f1
then
2. ill germinate f1 seeds , sts an f1 plant, to make pollen again,
and put the pollen on another f1 plant from the same crop
and then wait for the seeds

and repeat that process a couple of times (and of course with good selection in plants)
just to make it short.

question2 : so the F1......n dedicates the generation ??

so 10 times inbred would be f10 ??

You are confused.... Why would you STS the F1 plant if its not even 100% Autoflower? Do you see what im saying? Why would you make feminized beans at the F1 stage if you're trying to make a 100% Autoflower? Those beans wouldnt be autoflowers.

You wouldnt STS ANYTHING until its 100% Autoflower, THEN you would make feminized beans, and the result would be 100% Autoflower female beans.

Damn man im exhausted.

 

[Nicoli]

ooh now i get it

ill have to cross the outcome of the (euf x tw) x lowryder
with the lowryder again so that the lowryder genetics take a bigger part in the new cross?? and so on and so on ??

so it would be

1. (euf x tw) x lowryder
2. ((euf x tw) x lowryder ) x Lowryder
3. (((euf x tw) x lowryder ) x Lowryder) x lowryder

??

If you create the F1's, and then cross those back with the original Lowryder, you'll end up with plants closer to Lowryder characteristics and will be 100% Autoflower after a few generations.

If you create the F1's, and then INBREED those, you'll have closer to the efu x tw characteristics, yet still be able to get 100% Autoflower after a few generations.

And yes F1 = first cross, F2 = second, F3 = third.. so on

 

[rastaman.fb]

ok i think im getting it^^

 

[Nicoli]

After re-reading your first post, it sounds like you dont have a Lowryder Male... which is your whole problem. STS'ing the Lowryder and using the pollen to pollenate euf x tw would only create a feminized version of a (euf x tw) x lowryder F1 , which would contain absolutely zero autoflower characteristics, but WOULD have characteristics of both plants, just not autoflowering.

 

[rastaman.fb]

so for example , i inbreed the (euf x tw) x auto until lets say F5 and then add the autoflower , for like 2 - 3 times, until i have the F3 of the new hybrid, then i would be where i wanna be , dont you think so ??

because i think with f5 the euf x tw x auto would have been stabilized and with adding another auto to that 3-4 times, i think it would be kinda [((euf xtw) x auto) x auto]

am i right ?? i know its kinda abstract, but i think you can get what i am saying

 

[rastaman.fb]

After re-reading your first post, it sounds like you dont have a Lowryder Male... which is your whole problem. STS'ing the Lowryder and using the pollen to pollenate euf x tw would only create a feminized version of a (euf x tw) x lowryder F1 , which would contain absolutely zero autoflower characteristics, but WOULD have characteristics of both plants, just not autoflowering.

yeah your totally right!!!
ill have to start with a male and maybe in 2011 start adding the fem

thanks anyway youve been a great help

 

[Nicoli]

so for example , i inbreed the (euf x tw) x auto until lets say F5 and then add the autoflower , for like 2 - 3 times, until i have the F3 of the new hybrid, then i would be where i wanna be , dont you think so ??

because i think with f5 the euf x tw x auto would have been stabilized and with adding another auto to that 3-4 times, i think it would be kinda [((euf xtw) x auto) x auto]

am i right ?? i know its kinda abstract, but i think you can get what i am saying

Well you're closer, Lol..

Ideally you dont want to re-introduce the Lowryder, after you've made the original (euf x tw) x lowryder cross. You just want to continue to inbreed the (euf x tw) x lowryder, until you are at say F4-F5's.. at which point, you have a stable, 100%, autoflowering, (euf x tw) x lowryder. And at that point you could STS and make feminized beans of your final stable version.

If you do re-introduce lowryder pollen to your (euf x tw) x lowryder, you'll basically be going backwards and going back closer to the characteristics of the lowryder itself. Which isnt really ideal, since you're trying to create a "new strain"..

 

[Bighill]

Take a stroll into the autoflower section, lots of auto breeders around there. Nicoli has you in the rite direction.

Bh.