Sacked drugs adviser Nutt may set up new body

[EZlistener]

The governments drug advice body is 'fataly flawed' and should be reconstituted as an independent organisation along the lines of the Bank of England, according to former drug adviser David Nutt, who was sacked in a row over the classification of cannabis. Nutt said if the Advisory Council of the Misuse of Drugs act (ACMD) was not given more autonomy in future he would consider setting up an alternative committee to provide independent advice on drugs.

"Unless the issue is resolved properly, you're going to have to have an independent group. I know several members of the council will join me if things are'nt resolved next tuesday", he said. "It's obvious the politicians are out of step, that the rest of the world has a more mature view about drugs than politicians''.

 

[sleestack]

Good to see people with power step up and call out the bullshit!!

 

[Skip]

It looks to me like Dr. Nutt is determined to start a national debate on the issue of drug use and the law in the UK.

It's time the USA started exactly the same rational debate. Obama refuses to even acknowledge that cannabis decriminalization/legalization is the #1 issue for many Americans.

 

[phan]

It sounds like a move that will continue the debate! What is it going to take to have the same discussion in the US?

 

[itisme]

Politicians are well out of touch! Great post and I'll keep my fingers crossed

 

[10jed]

What many don't know is that all countries that are part of the UN are subject to the enforcement of the INCB. The International Narcotics Control Board is the sole body that controls the import, export, and manufacture of all legal drugs and also the body that controls the designation of illegal drugs. There is a good Wikipedia article on them and their site is easy to find. They are completely closed door and basically answer to no one but they do publish an annual report.

I highly recommend that anyone wanting to see the source of their governments need to ban MJ read the INCB anual reports. The 13 board members of the INCB control ALL of the legal narcotic and psychotropic medications throughout the world. If we think Big Pharma" is evil, then understand that this is the big bad Uncle of Big Pharma that has control over the trust account.

One bright spot, is that the WHO (world health organization) has taken a slightly softer opinion on cannabis it seems and is stating that they recommend more testing be done on the potential medical benefits of MJ. WHO is directly linked to the INCB and actually are responsible for the induction of 3 of the 13 members of the board. That being said, the 3 members they are responsible for must be from the pharmaseudical industry or "have direct pharmaseudical knowlege".

For anyone really looking for answers to this debate, this is some required reading. If you read through recent reports you will see how many times they are telling countries who are NOT USING ENOUGH legal narcotics that they should start using more. They then site the US epidemic of prescription abuse and don't suggest that we are getting too much.

The 92 report shows approval for the Amsterdam way of keeping it legal but not providing penalty, and in the recent ones they bash the Netherlands.

Intersting reading for sure! I am now starting to think this is a global fight. the new report comes out later this month and it will be interesting to see if Obama gets railed for his actions and opions concerning the DEA and MMJ. Recent actions of the DEA tells me that he may have been and now needs to step back, but I guess we will see in a week or two!
Jed

 

[bergerbuddy]

What many don't know is that all countries that are part of the UN are subject to the enforcement of the INCB. The International Narcotics Control Board is the sole body that controls the import, export, and manufacture of all legal drugs and also the body that controls the designation of illegal drugs. There is a good Wikipedia article on them and their site is easy to find. They are completely closed door and basically answer to no one but they do publish an annual report.

I highly recommend that anyone wanting to see the source of their governments need to ban MJ read the INCB anual reports. The 13 board members of the INCB control ALL of the legal narcotic and psychotropic medications throughout the world. If we think Big Pharma" is evil, then understand that this is the big bad Uncle of Big Pharma that has control over the trust account.

One bright spot, is that the WHO (world health organization) has taken a slightly softer opinion on cannabis it seems and is stating that they recommend more testing be done on the potential medical benefits of MJ. WHO is directly linked to the INCB and actually are responsible for the induction of 3 of the 13 members of the board. That being said, the 3 members they are responsible for must be from the pharmaseudical industry or "have direct pharmaseudical knowlege".

For anyone really looking for answers to this debate, this is some required reading. If you read through recent reports you will see how many times they are telling countries who are NOT USING ENOUGH legal narcotics that they should start using more. They then site the US epidemic of prescription abuse and don't suggest that we are getting too much.

The 92 report shows approval for the Amsterdam way of keeping it legal but not providing penalty, and in the recent ones they bash the Netherlands.

Intersting reading for sure! I am now starting to think this is a global fight. the new report comes out later this month and it will be interesting to see if Obama gets railed for his actions and opions concerning the DEA and MMJ. Recent actions of the DEA tells me that he may have been and now needs to step back, but I guess we will see in a week or two!
Jed

You are so ABSOLUTELY CORRECT when it comes to the U.N. and the INCB...

However, I would point out that unlike the U.K.... or any of the EU countries...

THE U.S. IS SOVERIGN .. AND CONTROLLED BY THE U.S. CONSTITUTION... Which does not aquiese to the U.N. or any other "supreme" body..

Which is why so many of us in the U.S. HATE THE U.N. and what it does in REALITY... not what it stands for necessarily.. but the U.S. is not and should never be... controlled by agreements of the U.N. etc... especially these kinds of agreements that go SO FAR OUTSIDE OF THE MANDATE FOR MAINTAINING PEACE IN THE WORLD

Ok... I'm done :=-)

 

[10jed]

You are so ABSOLUTELY CORRECT when it comes to the U.N. and the INCB...

However, I would point out that unlike the U.K.... or any of the EU countries...

THE U.S. IS SOVERIGN .. AND CONTROLLED BY THE U.S. CONSTITUTION... Which does not aquiese to the U.N. or any other "supreme" body..

Which is why so many of us in the U.S. HATE THE U.N. and what it does in REALITY... not what it stands for necessarily.. but the U.S. is not and should never be... controlled by agreements of the U.N. etc... especially these kinds of agreements that go SO FAR OUTSIDE OF THE MANDATE FOR MAINTAINING PEACE IN THE WORLD

Ok... I'm done :=-)

I think you are right BB... Until recently, I have been quite antipolitical for the better part of my 40+ years because of a distrust and loathing of the 2 party system and the lobbyists that run it. This information I posted above is new and eye opening information to me. I'm not sure where this puts us on this issue because per agreements signed by us, and the better part of the world, they hold most of the cards. The 2009 annual report will be quite telling I am sure. I doubt there will be any change in attitude towards MJ and MMJ though... I've said it before and I will say it again. If legalization and regulation are ever to come it will have to be a movement of the people because our government is simply in too deep. The world needs to start seeing this as more than the right to smoke pot. It is a political strong arm tactic that has been going on too long.

Jed

 

[Rednick]

I guess I need to read the whole thing. But it sounds like a big part of the job is to keep organized crime from DIVERTING precursor chemicals for the large-scale manufacture of illicit drugs.
Which still works fine with a 'BigPharma' theory. If you think weed is in direct conflict with their meds, think about Meth, Ecstacy, and other designer drugs. The former would be direct competition with Ritalin, Adderol or any of the other ADHD medications we give our children in the US. The latter would most definately displace some use of Zooloft, or Prozac or any other anti-deppressant that one must take daily to feel 'happy'.
I think there are just so many different interests, it will take a lot longer than expected to get some progress.
However, if the US leads...the World will follow.

 

[Tyrone420]

haha, so Nutt got sacked?

 

[Elevator Man]

It's all up and running:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/jan/15/david-nutt-drugs-independent-committee

David Nutt, the scientist sacked as a government adviser by the home secretary, today defiantly launched his own independent committee which he says will provide the definitive scientific verdict on the risks of drugs. Nutt said his committee was willing to give advice to the government's Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD), from which he was sacked as chair.

BTW, it was actually the United States that set up most of the anti-drugs controls over the last 50 years, and certainly took the lead in making this UN policy worldwide (and still is). I don't think the 'purity' of the US constitution, or its relative degree of sovereignty to other countries is really relevant to this thread, and can often be just another 'bible' to bash other folks with, IMO. The UK doesn't have a constitution at all (though I'd like one), and we're still here...

 

[VerdantGreen]

yeah this is old news - to us in the UK at least.

Nutt has three years funding for his council - from a rich hedge fund manager i believe

this is great news for the future.

V.

 

[10jed]

**snip**

this is great news for the future.

V.

Sure seems to be! Nice to have someone in our corner without political/financial motivations. Or so it seems I guess.

Jed

 

[bombadil.360]

"It's obvious the politicians are out of step, that the rest of the world has a more mature view about drugs than politicians''.

one cannot hear that truth enough times...


excellent that the politicians in favor of the evil prohibition laws are being placed with their backs against the wall, lets see out of where are they going to keep falsifying so-called "scientific" data that supports their evil persecution of civilians.

 

[10jed]

***snip*** The UK doesn't have a constitution at all (though I'd like one), and we're still here...

yeah but just barely man... that new high potent skunk that you guys are smoking over there is a real killer!

I just love how your media beats that one to death! All they say is "skunk" too... is that the only commercial strain you guys get? I was smoking skunk like 20 years ago... it is anything but new!

Such a laugh and such a testament to their ignorance and their will to spread it like so much compost.

Jed

 

[sunwukong]

10jed - you are absolutely right about the UN and the INCB...

However without the United States and several key European Countries, the UN is nothing. Like really, do you think that Latvia (no offense to Latvia here, or smaller countries in general) and other countries do anything for the UN? They don't make policy, or have the clout that the U.S. and several other European countries have. Hell, the United States has waged a war for like 6 years without giving a goddamn about what the UN has to say. Why? Because the UN knows it isn't shit without the backing of a few key countries, The U.K. being one of them. If the U.K was to legalize cannabis or anything else for that matter, the UN would just have to go along with it, whether they liked it or not. Sad to say it, but the UN is just another organization that pays lip service to the little guy, but really does whatever the big boys want. I'm and American and the very idea of the UN is unconstitutional in this country. I agree with the idea of a political entity to regulate international affairs, but it directly contraindicates the whole "not to be in league with any other nation, lest it later put American interests and independence in jeopardy."

 

[10jed]

10jed - you are absolutely right about the UN and the INCB...

However without the United States and several key European Countries, the UN is nothing. Like really, do you think that Latvia (no offense to Latvia here, or smaller countries in general) and other countries do anything for the UN? They don't make policy, or have the clout that the U.S. and several other European countries have. Hell, the United States has waged a war for like 6 years without giving a goddamn about what the UN has to say. Why? Because the UN knows it isn't shit without the backing of a few key countries, The U.K. being one of them. If the U.K was to legalize cannabis or anything else for that matter, the UN would just have to go along with it, whether they liked it or not. Sad to say it, but the UN is just another organization that pays lip service to the little guy, but really does whatever the big boys want. I'm and American and the very idea of the UN is unconstitutional in this country. I agree with the idea of a political entity to regulate international affairs, but it directly contraindicates the whole "not to be in league with any other nation, lest it later put American interests and independence in jeopardy."

All true my friend! of course political corruption makes the group of big boys an elite few and leaves you and I a little more Latvian that we should be. Not that there's anything wrong with being Latvian!

Man life was much easier when I just didn't give a shit...
All this crap gives me a headache.

jed