A Reflection on "Obama and weed"

[MarquisBlack]

We are currently in a false-flag recovery. These things are cyclic and very, very complex. If you can convince people things are "getting better", they go out and spend (rather than save, as everyone should be doing right now!) which causes a temporary economic surge.

Couple this with the fact that the vast majority of jobs being created right now are in the Gov't sector, and it's clear that we're heading for an even bigger downturn than we've seen so far. If you think we're in the clear, you're kidding yourself.

"Jobs are jobs, MarquisBlack!" You're probably saying to yourself. Not true. These Government jobs require more Government spending. Who do you think will ultimately foot the bill? The Government? No. It all comes down to the private sector/private citizens.

Let's not forget that the major problem facing America is the fact that we produce almost NOTHING. What do Gov't jobs produce?

 

[slappyjack]

Let's not forget that the major problem facing America is the fact that we produce almost NOTHING. What do Gov't jobs produce?

Civic infrastructure. Something people will use and appreciate every day.

In case you haven't noticed our infrastructure has been crumbling for decades. Now is the time to rebuild.

 

[slappyjack]

Putting words in my mouth. I was saying that when a President acts as though he is "for the people", and then fills his cabinet with Wall-street representatives, then he's going to have to answer to the people who voted him in. I didn't say he shouldn't be able to.

Can you list his "filled cabinet of Wall-street reps"? You're implying the majority of his advisors are Wall-Street reps, which is simply not true. A good chunk of his ECONOMIC ADVISORS are former Wall Street types, but that's hardly surprising.

Try this, name one economic expert who isn't a current or former trader. Name one average citizen who hasn't traded stock at at least one point in their life.

Do you think anyone is eligible for Obama's cabinet? What about yourself? I certainly hope you don't have a 401k.

 

[SpasticGramps]

With the way things are going, I think it will be legalized by 2012.

If for no other reason than the Federal Government will have no more money to enforce any more laws.

Bush was instrumental in this and Obama came in and stepped on the accelerator peddle.

 

[greenhead]

Legal Medical growers are getting treated worse than terrorists by Obama and the Feds!

If you're a terrorist who tries to blow up an airliner and murder hundreds of people, you'll get full miranda rights and the full protection of our legal system which they do not deserve, at great expense to US taxpayers, that's you and me.

If you are a legal medical marijuana grower in a legal medical state, your ass is grass, and you will be treated worse than a terrorist.

It’s still a violation of federal law,” Sweetin said. “It’s not medicine. We’re still going to continue to investigate and arrest people.”

Obama and the feds lied out of their ass when they said this:

Federal drug agents won’t pursue pot-smoking patients or their sanctioned suppliers in states that allow medical marijuana, under new legal guidelines to be issued Monday by the Obama administration.

I laugh at anybody who voted for Obama:

“Technically, every dispensary in the state is in blatant violation of federal law,” he said. “The time is coming when we go into a dispensary, we find out what their profit is, we seize the building and we arrest everybody. They’re violating federal law; they’re at risk of arrest and imprisonment.”

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/...pot-grower-despite-complying-with-state-laws/

 

[MarquisBlack]

Can you list his "filled cabinet of Wall-street reps"? You're implying the majority of his advisors are Wall-Street reps, which is simply not true. A good chunk of his ECONOMIC ADVISORS are former Wall Street types, but that's hardly surprising.

Try this, name one economic expert who isn't a current or former trader. Name one average citizen who hasn't traded stock at at least one point in their life.

Do you think anyone is eligible for Obama's cabinet? What about yourself? I certainly hope you don't have a 401k.

Suggesting it was brim-full of Wall-street was an overstatement, I'lll admit that.

I don't fancy myself eligible to have a seat in the White House, but that does not mean I'm not able to criticize who is in the White House.

For example, Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner and his involvement with the New York Fed and the AIG bailout money bonus scandal. Not technically Wall Street, but he definitely caters to them.

I'd like my main point to be- fuck Wall Street. So much of our economy's behavior is based on Wall Street speculation and the whole gambling business that the stock exchange ultimately is. Our economy should be more stable than that. Which is why we need to produce exports, or at the very least produce goods for use in America, and stop relying on imports. Our economy right now is one big fluke.

And sorry, but producing civil infrastructure just isn't enough.

Do you disagree that we need to bring back industry to the United States? Or are you okay with citizens being called "consumers" more and more often outside of the economic world?

 

[DirtDevil]

Obama is mean now

 

[pearlemae]

I think that the decision by the VA to allow MMJ for those Vets living in medical states is HUGE. Think about it for the first time the Feds are admitting that there is truth to the rumor that MJ can be and is medicine for thousands of vets. So how can they sat it's OK to vet in a med state but No to the rest of you. The Va has recognized MJ, Thats something the government would never have done under Bush. As for getting busted hows it gonna look getting busted by the same government that said it was ok, thats some court case's that'll get tossed.my 2 cents

 

[SpasticGramps]

With the way things are going, I think it will be legalized by 2012.

Yeah, I'm going to retract that statement. That was blind hope.

 

[CrumpleZone]

I Laugh...

I Laugh...

I laugh at anybody who voted for Obama:

...at anybody whoo thinks we would have been better off with McCain! The guy couldn't even choose an appropriate running mate.

 

[Nor'Easter]

Oh no not another thread on mindless Obama bashing! He's not perfect but things would have been far worse for weed and the economy and everything else had another Republican got in! The last one messed things up so bad, it is still a long time before those effects are reversed, let alone any new progress made. And now the same damned fools that voted for change want to vote back the architects of stagnation, status quo, weed oppression and anti-progress on any vital issue? Are you that dumb? And how did a thread so blatantly political survive for over a year anyway? Oh I get it, it was critical of the left, if this was a thread bashing republicans it would have been closed after 3 posts! I know, it's happened to me!

 

[SpasticGramps]

Oh I get it, it was critical of the left, if this was a thread bashing republicans it would have been closed after 3 posts! I know, it's happened to me!

Are you serious?? You say this on decidedly progressive (read not classically liberal) site no less. Please, bro.

This thread is about Obama and weed which is why it's still open. If McCain was President it would still be open. If Bozo the Clown was President it would still be open.

My impression of two party paradigm believers arguing politics.

Where has the false left right paradigm discussion in this country gotten us in the last 100+ years? Bankrupt and deeper into a repressive police state if you ask me.
Doesn't seem to be doing a whole lot of good.

IMHO the parties and politicians are a media dog and pony show for the masses. Ya know what they say, "Politics is show business for ugly people." The banks are running the show.

Put down the kool aid. They are all bad.

 

[Nor'Easter]

yes they are all bad, but most seem to use every opportunity to bash Obama without giving fair coverage to the other "side". The thread starter seemed to honestly intend this to be a discussion of Obama's weed policy and not Obama himself, but then all this happened.
The whole California medical marijuana scene went into high gear once Obama, not anyone else before him, said that he would respect state laws. Yes some med busts still happen but it is much better than worse now for the average med person. Give Obama some credit, he is mostly respecting the state law.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Give Obama some credit, he is mostly respecting the state law.

Yes it's bit better. Agreed under any Neo-Con rule it would probably be worse. I question why he wants to appoint Bush's Leonhart to head up the DEA.

For some reason I don't think he's doing any of this out of the kindess of his heart.

 

[DirtDevil]

I agree Obama is doing an over all good job as president, but he just HASN'T ADDRESS MARIJUANA as far as I know. Since he became president has he even made one public statement about marijuana? I mean I think I heard a while ago through some third party that he said leave it up to the states as far as medical goes but man I want him on the podium and I wanna hear the lowdown on whats up with weed! I thought 2 years into his presidency he would have said SOMETHING. I know hes got a lot going on but still, just one little speech is all I ask for. We need to start a petition or something.,

 

[nveevo]

He has spoken about it, does "hahaha" count? Having seen clips of him scoffing and laughing it off, proves his intelligence is lower than a stick in mud. Failing to accept the most current and real studies of the plant shows incompetence which is sadly the status quo.

Mamma always told me never trust a stick in mud,,,,
You either do good for the sake of doing good, or you appear (to others) to do good but for your own personal good/greed. One of those two is actually evil disguised as good. Will let you decide which is which.

 

[DirtDevil]

Yeah I heard him laugh about it, why can't he just straight up tell us if hes going to "change" anything about it, he has plenty of time for vacation why not a 2 minute speech on weed?

 

[nveevo]

$$$$ The major contributors to his election want to just say no, big business. However many of those who voted for him want him to just say yes. He is working the middle, by his actions maintaining the no stance, but not actually saying it,,,,leaving room for people to still side with him because he has not outright said no yet.

It will not be until major money is thrown at the lobbyists, that change will occur. You want change? You only get it when you pay for something.

Not until hortilux, general hydroponics, or other industry juggernauts start to feel the pain in their balance sheet, and start to lobby for their space of legislation. Money talks, sadly. So very very sadly.....

 

[pushlimits]

Yes it's bit better. Agreed under any Neo-Con rule it would probably be worse. I question why he wants to appoint Bush's Leonhart to head up the DEA.

For some reason I don't think he's doing any of this out of the kindess of his heart.

Yes I agree, under a Neo-con administration everything could be a lot worse. But Obama appointed Leohart to remain drug czar for the same reason he appointed ,Pullson and Githner (former heads of AIG and Goldman- the banks that caused our financial meltdown) as the heads of treasury, and wrote a blank check of our tax money to foreign banks; because he is well paid. Everyone has a price, it's a widely used -but rarely admitted- political tool.

Politics in post-Bush corporate America- It's it grand?

 

[Tr33]

Obama lied and still lies like every other President we have had since day one.
F'k them all. They are all puppets dangling on a string reading a script.