I have an Olympics?

[etinarcadiaego]

While I will agree that regular smoking will negatively effect performance in most sports, but not all. You’re making far too many generalizations. For instance, how would smoking effect an athlete competing in archery? Skeet shooting? Diving? There are many sports that are not very cardio intensive, so saying something like, ``smoking puts athletes at a competitive disadvantage 100% of the time,`` is fairly ignorant.

Ignorant? Really? So you think smoking gives you an edge here? Have you ever dived? Shot competitive archery? While it's negative effects on endurance may be neglible here, they still exist . . . and the physical damage damn sure doesn't add to your "edge". I guess what I'm saying is that while you're right, it may not make competitors in these sports less competitive, i'm certain smoking won't help them at all. Furthermore I don't know how demanding those sports are, and neither do you if don't practice them, either way you must agree smoking won't add to their competitiveness.

But in even in sports that require a high amount of cardiovascular endurance, the negative effects of regular smoking are not always so much that a once competitive athlete would suddenly become uncompetitive. If you’re just a weekend warrior, then sure you’re going to feel some effects. Olympic athletes trains 6 - 8 hours a day, do you really think that say, 1 G of weed a day is going to affect someone training that much?

Do I think smoking 1 gram of weed a day affects them? OF COURSE IT DOES, now who'se being naive and ignorant. I'm not talking about the effects of THC or pot, I'm talking about smoke inhalation and it's effects on lung capacity, cardiovascular health, endurance, and tissue regeneration. Smoking 1 gram per year has a effect . . . ask your doctor, look at a lung cross-section . . . so smoking 1 gram per day has a profound effect, or course.

If you want to use and not worry about the damage, vaporize, but don't tell me "oh, it's only 1 gram per day" as I assure you that will dramatically affect athletes competing in endurance sports. Seriously talk to a doctor.

Also, to answer your question, yes I do train. I wrestled fairly competitively through High School and University, and was a daily smoker when I wasn’t being tested. I also train MMA in my spare time and have a purple bet in BJJ, and I can say from experience, and many grapplers agree, that rolling while high can actually give you an advantage.

How does being high give you an advantage? I train in a gym specializing in BJJ and MT, and focus gives me the advantage . . . if you can focus better high than you need to work on your meditation and in-the-ring judgment. Watching fights helps too. Anyways if you CAN focus better while high, that's great, more power too you, but it has nothing to do with what we're talking about, which is the effects of SMOKING on athletes . . .

If what you are saying is true about being able feel the effects of smoking 1 joint a week later, you might want to see a doctor, there may be an underling problem with your lungs. Personally, I have more endurance after just smoking, I can lift weights longer and run further, probably due to the bronchial dilator
effect of marijuana.

I'm guessing you don't train like I do . . . it's completely normal to feel the effects of smoking during high endurance activities even weeks afterward. I have an excellent relationship with my phyiscian and have discussed all this with him numerous times . . And again you're confusing the effects of marijuana with the effects of smoking. You're saying you can push harder/longer when high, which i notice sometimes also, but if you're saying you can push harder/longer because you smoke . . . well that's just silly.

cuz I can still run very fast. also I workout 5x times a week. also I am an avid downhill mtb rider and an avid road biker.
also I eat super healthy. also I do longboarding too and rock climbing.
and I have gone snowboarding befor too but I don't live close to any snow.
and on the weekends I play baseball with ppl from my hieghborhood.

so yah I think I could do it if I really trained very hard.
but I wonder what the age limit is.28 old.

If your concerned about your health why do you smoke? Vaporize instead. Not to be disrespectful, but I'm not sure the sports/training you listed would really qualify you to compete at the Olympic level, but you know more about your health and endurance than I do. I'm not 28, but I know building muscle tissue gets harder every year for men over 25, but only a little at a time, and staying in good shape can really make that a non-issue . . . if you think you can do it, and you WANT to do it, then what's stopping you? I'd love to see #1 Cheesebuds take home the gold

Run a 40, 100, 220, 440 and post your times here, I'd like to know them . . .

How long have you been smoking pot? How often?


Smoking reduces lung capacity and damages tissue and slows tissue regeneration in EVERYONE, try vaporizing man

 

[#1cheesebuds]

Im saving up for a vaporizer. and I have been 3-5 bowls a day smoking for the past 17 years.
what is a great vaporizer to get for the money?

Im not concerned about my health too much. and I smoke to realx my mind and body after a good hard workout or long bike ride or a stressfull day at work.

 

[etinarcadiaego]

Im saving up for a vaporizer. and I have been 3-5 bowls a day smoking for the past 17 years.
what is a great vaporizer to get for the money?

Im not concerned about my health too much. and I smoke to realx my mind and body after a good hard workout or long bike ride or a stressfull day at work.

I hear ya, I procrastinated for a long time about getting one, but man let me tell ya, now that I have one . . . AMAZING!

So I bought a Volcano first, well my GF split it with me as a gift, but since then I've bought an Extreme Q . . . EVERY bit as good for about 1/2 the money! I can't say enough good things about it! It really is amazing.

HERE is their site, don't worry about not seeing the "Q" model, the model listed as the extreme has been updated even though they don't say so on the site . . .we found out when it arrived at our doorstep. Honestly man, ask me anything you want to know about it, I really love it and it does everything my volcano did and it's just as durable . . . even offers an optional battery pack if you want to take it with you . . . lol

 

[#1cheesebuds]

cool thanks for the info.

 

[Somke_Somke]

Ignorant? Really? So you think smoking gives you an edge here? Have you ever dived? Shot competitive archery? While it's negative effects on endurance may be neglible here, they still exist . . . and the physical damage damn sure doesn't add to your "edge". I guess what I'm saying is that while you're right, it may not make competitors in these sports less competitive, i'm certain smoking won't help them at all. Furthermore I don't know how demanding those sports are, and neither do you if don't practice them, either way you must agree smoking won't add to their competitiveness.

Where did I say that smoking would give you an edge? You're trying to make it seem like I am saying that MJ is a PED. I simply said that is wouldn't have a negative effect, stop trying to twist the issue with straw man arguments.

Do I think smokig 1 gram of weed a day affects them? OF COURSE IT DOES, now who'se being naive and ignorant. I'm not talking about the effects of THC or pot, I'm talking about smoke inhalation and it's effects on lung capacity, cardiovascular health, endurance, and tissue regeneration. Smoking 1 gram per year has a effect . . . ask your doctor, look at a lung cross-section . . . so smoking 1 gram per day has a profound effect, or course.

The effects of 1 G a day on high level athletes who are pushing their bodies to the limit every day of their lives would be easily mitigated by the intensity of their training. Obviously smoke inhalation effects lung performance, but the effects are not as sever as you are making them out to be on otherwise healthy lungs.

How does being high give you an advantage? I train in a gym specializing in BJJ and MT, and focus gives me the advantage . . . if you can focus better high than you need to work on your meditation and in-the-ring judgment. Watching fights helps too. Anyways if you CAN focus better while high, that's great, more power too you, but it has nothing to do with what we're talking about, which is the effects of SMOKING on athletes . . .

I, as well as many other feel that being high while rolling makes me more creative. I agree that when you are new to training you have to focus very hard, so you don't get injured. But after you have been training for a few years "focus" becomes second nature, and you spend more time thinking about being innovative.

I'm guessing you don't train like I do . . . it's completely normal to feel the effects of smoking during high endurance activities even weeks afterward. I have an excellent relationship with my phyiscian and have discussed all this with him numerous times . . And again you're confusing the effects of marijuana with the effects of smoking. You're saying you can push harder/longer when high, which i notice sometimes also, but if you're saying you can push harder/longer because you smoke . . . well that's just silly.

I'm willing to bet I train a lot harder than you do, but even if I don't, I definitely have friends that do, as a few of them have fought pro MMA and Kickboxing, and many of those ATHLETES smoke MJ right up until the start of their training camps, and some continue for a few weeks in, and I have never heard any of them say they could feel the effects of 1 single joint 1 week later, that's ridiculous.

And I'm not confusing anything, if you read my entire post I said that the reason I was able to push harder was because of the bronchial dilator effect of marijuana. Again, I will say that inhaling any kind of smoke on a regular basis will effects a normal persons cardiovascular performance, but with very intensive training it is possible to mitigate these effects to the point where they do not pose a competitive disadvantage. Myself, and other posters in this thread have provided you with 3 high-level athletes known to smoke MJ, which you just disregarded because they prove your hypotheses that ``smoking puts athletes at a competitive disadvantage 100% of the time,`` incorrect.

 

[praisehim.]

This is funny. olympians live their sport. you'd have to change your life. good luck though.

 

[Somke_Somke]

Also, if you do train, I'm sure you know who Eddie Bravo is right? Top level BJJ and a known stoner.
You can read an article on him here: http://hightimes.com/entertainment/sross/3685 where he talks about MJ improving your BJJ.

 

[etinarcadiaego]

Where did I say that smoking would give you an edge? You're trying to make it seem like I am saying that MJ is a PED. I simply said that is wouldn't have a negative effect, stop trying to twist the issue with straw man arguments.




The effects of 1 G a day on high level athletes who are pushing their bodies to the limit every day of their lives would be easily offset by the intensity of their training. Obviously smoke inhalation effects lung performance, but the effects are not as sever as you are making them out to be on otherwise healthy lungs.





I, as well as many other feel that being high while rolling makes me more creative. I agree that when you are new to training you have to focus very hard, so you don't get injured. But after you have been training for a few years "focus" becomes second nature, and you spend more time thinking about being innovative.



I'm willing to bet I train a lot harder than you do, but even if I don't, I definitely have friends that do, as a few of them have fought pro MMA and Kickboxing, and many of those ATHLETES smoke MJ right up until the start of their training camps, and some continue for a few weeks in, and I have never heard any of them say they could feel the effects of 1 single joint 1 week later, that's ridiculous.

And I'm not confusing anything, if you read my entire post I said that the reason I was able to push harder was because of the bronchial dilator effect of marijuana. Again, I will say that inhaling any kind of smoke on a regular basis will effects a normal persons cardiovascular performance, but with very intensive training it is possible to mitigate these effects to the point where they do not pose a competitive disadvantage. Myself, and other posters in this thread have provided you with 3 high-level athletes known to smoke MJ, which you just disregarded because they prove your hypotheses that ``smoking puts athletes at a competitive disadvantage 100% of the time,`` incorrect.

None of you were able to provide high level endurance athletes that smoke regularly, just a couple who got busted publicly, not the same thing.

You've never heard of any athlete who can feel the effects a week later? You've read my testimony? Is that not enough? I run long distances in the summer and I can feel the effects at the 5 mile mark more so one week after I toke than a month in, sometimes by as much as 5% difference in times.

I'm not here to start a pissing contest over who trains harder, or bicker about some MMA bullshit. I'm talking about the effects of smoking on human biology. If you think intensive training would offset 1gram per day of smoking, or any smoking, then you're you need to further your education and brush up on biology . . . as no level training OFFSETS the physical damage caused by smoking.

Talk to a doctor, then post in this thread. I already did, I'm speaking from experience, not opinion, you can't discount my own experience (and years of it). I've had in depth conversation with my physician who is herself a world-class athlete not to mention a PhD trying to determine whether or not to quit smoking, this was some time ago, maybe 18-20 months, and she told me a lot about this subject.

This thread is about whether or not #1cheesebuds should quit smoking to train for the olympics, and of course he should, it would help him considerably. But if you want to argue that smoking doesn't have enough negative effects to warrant quitting for people training for the Olympics, then you'll have to do it with someone else, as this conversation is idiotic and the facts are obvious.

Also, if you do train, I'm sure you know who Eddie Bravo is right? Top level BJJ and a known stoner.
You can read an article on him here: http://hightimes.com/entertainment/sross/3685 where he talks about MJ improving your BJJ.

A pro-pot smoking article in high times? How objective! Nice find! Lol.

 

[Somke_Somke]

None of you were able to provide high level endurance athletes that smoke regularly, just a couple who got busted publicly, not the same thing.

Nick Diaz and Eddie Bravo, MMA and BJJ are two of the most cardio intensive sports in the world, and I can't recall ever seeing Diaz gassed. Also, you're very naive if you don't think that Ross Rebagliati does.

You've never heard of any athlete who can feel the effects a week later? You've read my testimony? Is that not enough? I run long distances in the summer and I can feel the effects at the 5 mile mark more so one week after I toke than a month in, sometimes by as much as 5% difference in times.

I'm sorry but no, that is not enough for me, "personal experience" used to prove ones point over the internet means very little, especially when engaged in an argument with that person. And I do not consider you to be an athlete just because you train a few hours a week.

This thread is about whether or not #1cheesebuds should quit smoking to train for the olympics, and of course he should, it would help him considerably. But if you want to argue that smoking doesn't have enough negative effects to warrant quitting for people training for the Olympics, then you'll have to do it with someone else, as this conversation is idiotic and the facts are obvious.

Obviously if he is serious he should stop smoking. I simply provided you with 2 athletes known to smoke, to show that it is possible though not advisable to compete at the highest level while being a smoker, and you got your panties all in a bunch.

A pro-pot smoking article in high times? How objective! Nice find! Lol.

There you go again disregarding anything that doesn't support your opinion. Where the article is doesn't matter at all, the person making the claim is what matters. Or are you implying that High Times is putting words into Eddie's mouth? A top level BJJ practitioner, a very cardio intensive sport is saying that smoking MJ helps his BJJ game. If I can't discount your testimony about how much smoking effects you, what gives you the right to discount a real ATHLETES testimony to the contrary? Sorry, but I will side with the professional athlete and trainer over some random guy on the internet.

 

[etinarcadiaego]

I'm sorry but no, that is not enough for me, "personal experience" used to prove ones point over the internet means very little, especially when engaged in an argument with that person. And I do not consider you to be an athlete just because you train a few hours a week.

Do i give a shit if you don't believe me? It supports your arguement not too, and your posts make it clear you're an expert at ignoring facts based in sceince. Instead you find some person uses MMJ and competes and you think it some way supports the counter-point to my argument . . . which is retarded - much like your ideology that intensive training "mitigates" lung damage and reduced endurance.

At this point I'm not arguing with you, I'm sharing my experiences which are contrary to your "notions" and ideas. I am an athlete, and have been for over a decade (whether recognized as an athlete by you or not - lol), and I train 10 hours a week, not a few, broken up between weight lifting (periodization), cardio, kettle-ball routines, stretching, and MT & BJJ. (and I'm not counting the stretching, kettle-ball work, BJJ, MT, or cardio in my 10 hours of train time)

Again you are trying your straw man argument, I never said the effects could be "offset", I said "mitigated", you know, to make less severe.

It doesn't make the effects of smoking less severe or mitigate them in any way or offset them either, thats idiotic. The only thing my Doctor told me proven to prevent (mitigate, offset, make less severe, reduce) lung damage in smokers is large doses of Vitamin A, such as that in Cantaloupe - and you need to Google "Straw Man Argument" because that's not what I was "trying", I was simply substituting "mitigating" with "offsets" but I didn't intend to change the basis of your statement.

Obviously if he is serious he should stop smoking. I simply provided you with 2 athletes known to smoke, to show that it is possible though not advisable to compete at the highest level while being a smoker, and you got your panties all in a bunch.

My panties? Are you trying to insult me? So you're an asshole too . . .great.

We were talking about Olympic athletes, not MMA fighters, which no matter how intensive simply are not the same regardless of difficulty, meaning this thread is in relation to Olympians, MMA just doesn't apply here, why don't you get that? Furthermore you still don't know how often they use or if they smoke of vape, and it also doesn't show that their "smoking" (if in fact smoking is the method they use) doesn't make them less competitive just because their at a very high level, in fact it still would since however good they are as smokers they would stand to be improved by the added cardiovascular health, lung capacity, and endurance of being a non-smoker.

There you go again disregarding anything that doesn't support your opinion. Where the article is doesn't matter at all, the person making the claim is what matters. Or are you implying that High Times is putting words into Eddie's mouth? A top level BJJ practitioner, a very cardio intensive sport is saying that smoking MJ helps his BJJ game. If I can't discount your testimony about how much smoking effects you, what gives you the right to discount a real ATHLETES testimony to the contrary? Sorry, but I will side with the professional athlete and trainer over some random guy on the internet.

Do you even realize you're off topic again? For the last time I am referring to the negative effects of SMOKING, not the effects of MMJ, wake up. Like i said earlier, if it helps you (and him) in whatever MMA you do, great, more power to you, but it doesn't help his "BJJ game" to be a smoker, or yours.

Are you high? Of course the publisher matters . . . if you think all high times articles are based in solid facts then you haven't been reading High Times very long, or your just gullible - that may not apply to your article, I didn't read it as again it has nothing to do with the Olympics (yet you still saw fit to link me too it?)


I'm done responding to your poorly thought out pseudo-counter points. Consult a physician or go to your local library and read up on this subject, but replying to your arguments is a waste of time as you don't stay on topic, can't support any of your claims that smokings effects are mitigated by intensive training, and are basing your arguments on opinions and notions rather than information from health professional, doctors, and facts.


It's all yours . . . have at it.

 

[Somke_Somke]

Do i give a shit if you don't believe me? It supports your arguement not too, and your posts make it clear you're an expert at ignoring facts based in sceince. Instead you find some person uses MMJ and competes and you think it some way supports the counter-point to my argument . . . which is retarded - much like your ideology that intensive training "mitigates" lung damage and reduced endurance.

LOL, this is funny how mad your are getting, and you can tell because your spelling and grammar have gone to shit. Of course extensive cardiovascular training helps to mitigate the effects of smoke inhalation. It's like exercising but still eating junk food, sure the junk food isn't good for your body, but exercising lessens the negative effects that it has on you.

It doesn't make the effects of smoking less severe or mitigate them in any way or offset them either, thats idiotic. The only thing my Doctor told me proven to prevent lung damage in smokers is large doses of Vitamin A, such as that in Cantaloupe - and you need to Google "Straw Man Argument" because that's not what I was "trying", I was simply substituting "mitigating" with "offsets" but I didn't intend to change the basis of your statement.

You've been trying to change the basis of my statements this whole time.

My panties? Are you trying to insult me? So you're an asshole too . . .great.

Yes, your panties. I simply provided you with 2 athletes known to smoke and you felt the need to tell me how much of a super athlete you are, then asked if I train, like my opinion wouldn't be valid if I didn't.

We were talking about Olympic athletes, not MMA fighters, which no matter how intensive simply are not the same regardless of difficulty, meaning this thread is in relation to Olympians, MMA just doesn't apply here, why don't you get that? Furthermore you still don't know how often they use or if they smoke of vape, and it also doesn't show that their "smoking" (if in fact smoking is the method they use) doesn't make them less competitive just because their at a very high level, in fact it still would since however good they are as smokers they would stand to be improved by the added cardiovascular health, lung capacity, and endurance of being a non-smoker.

What does it matter if an athlete is in the Olympics or not? Any high level athlete that is competitive disproves your point that "smoking puts athletes at a competitive disadvantage 100% of the time", which I what I was replying to since you specifically asked whether or not I agreed with that assumption. Have you ever seen Nick Diaz gassed? He is an admitted daily smoker, who only stops 2-weeks prior to fighting to it won't show up in a urine test. It obviously doesn't effect him that much, if at all. But I'm sure you will disregard this because your athletic experience trumps that of a profession athlete right?

Do you even realize you're off topic again? For the last time I am referring to the negative effects of SMOKING, not the effects of MMJ, wake up. Like i said earlier, if it helps you (and him) in whatever MMA you do, great, more power to you, but it doesn't help his "BJJ game" to be a smoker, or yours.

You're the one that's having trouble staying on topic. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned Michael Phelps, and your response was that he got suspended for 3-months, which had nothing to do with the negative effects of smoke inhalation, but you didn't have any other response to disprove of Michael Phelps successful career, so you went with one that had nothing to do with the topic.

Are you high? Of course the publisher matters . . . if you think all high times articles are based in solid facts then you haven't been reading High Times very long, or your just gullible - that may not apply to your article, I didn't read it as again it has nothing to do with the Olympics (yet you still saw fit to link me too it?)

The argument that you and I are having has nothing to do with the Olympics, of course the OP should quit if he is serious as I have already said. I was simply responding to your assertion that "smoking puts athletes at a competitive disadvantage 100% of the time", by showing you athletes that compete at the highest levels while still smoking. That article has everything to do with this debate, as it shows a high levels athlete that is an admitted daily smoker. But I'm not surprised that you didn't read the article, as it disproves your point that any athlete that smokes can't be competitive at the highest level, so you would rather remain ignorant of it.

 

[danimal7]

would any of yall stop smoking bud in order to be in the Olympics?
now when I say that I could be in the Olympics I ain't B-shitting.
I could very very easily train to be in the Olympics.
cuz I am great at Olympics sports.

the question is would be worth it to stop smoking bud to train and tryout for the Olympics and possibly not make it?
and I know that it is very very very hard to qualify to compete in the Olympics.

they have the para-olympics and the special olympics ....why not have a Stoner Olympics

BTW what sports are you good at?

 

[danimal7]

India 1.1 billion people =3 winter Olympians.............. LOL

 

[#1cheesebuds]

the only reason I thouht I would need to quit smoking bud is cuz I thought the olympic did drug testing.

and as for my own personal experience I can smoke some good sativa and still run and ride very fast with no bad effects. now if I were to smoke an indica it'd be a whole nother story. zzzz



Ok so if I can ride 35 miles an hour on my road bike on a flat straight road Im thinking thats fast right.

and when I ride I go for 30-40 miles at a time between 25-35 miles an Hour.

and in april 11th Im gunna do a 65 mile ride that my gym is putting on. its gunna kick ass. fly fly.

 

[bombadil.360]

man, if there is a will, there is a way, that is what it all boils down to. look at Neil Armstrong, after chemo he still won crazy competitions, and chemo fucks your body up like no herb could ever do, so...

k+ and good luck