rul of thumb VEG time for 1 Pound?

[Speedcat]

so realistically, If I had say 10 girls of a medium yeild(just to be safe) on 2,000 watts would I yeild more than a single 1,000 watt bulb. Or is the available light not able to be utilized by just 12 girls? the space would be like 6x6 foot room with a height of say 74 inches.

 

[reckon]

so realistically, If I had say 10 girls of a medium yeild(just to be safe) on 2,000 watts would I yeild more than a single 1,000 watt bulb. Or is the available light not able to be utilized by just 12 girls? the space would be like 6x6 foot room with a height of say 74 inches.

I have a small 4X6 growing area (corner of the kitchen in my studio apt), so I put the 1K light on a mover, so it basically just changes places across the 6ft length every minute or so.

works like TWO lights, but only COSTS for the one.

if I had a longer space, I'd run more plants, and let the light move across the entire strip.

I heart light mover rails.

 

[reckon]

I let the plant tell me when it's ready. that is, when the top growth stops making equally parallel side branches and switches to making alternating side branches, then it's ready to start producing flowers. this is the natural life cycle of the plant and is true for both mle and female.

very true, leaf arrangement is called "phyllotaxy", and yes the plants will start off with an OPPOSITE phyllotaxic arrangement, and then they switch to ALTERNATE phyllotaxy, which is a sign that they are ready to start forming buds.


with clones this is much harder because VERY often, you are taking cuttings from a plant that's fully into her alternate leaf arrangement, so they are in alternate right from the start,.....for this I really like the above posters technique for simply counting the internodes, and when you have more than a dozen or so, time to flip the lights down.

 

[darksith]

if your only growing 4-5 plants under a 1k then you need to get some serious mass going. Your gonna need to make your plants bigger than someone that is growing 12-16 per light. I personally don't believe in pinching the tops, but thats just me. If you only got 4-5 plants you probably will need to wait till they are a min of 24-30" before you flip them.

 

[Speedcat]

i Guess another thing I should ask is, how hard is it to get a plant to yeild 3 0z dry weight per plant? How many 3 oz plants could I have efficiently under a 1000 watt HPS in a 118"x56"x76" grow tent...and again how long should I veg the plant to yeild around 3oz a piece....for a average yielding strain.

 

[UsualSuspect]

To answer your question Speedcat-This will be a long winded version


Really with the information you gave saying you wanted 4 to 5 plants; you have to go with nice big pots.

In Reckons pics those are 6.5 gallon pots, I use the same exact pots. Next size up from that is 10 gallon. I also grow Grape Ape which is not a huge yielder but can yield nicely if all limiting factors are optimal.

There are a few tricks that can speed up the vegging process I have found
1. Go get a hortilux blue yes it $200 but is it worth it YES! it along with topping and or fimming can create a stout bushes that symbolize weight during flowering. It actually covers more area than standard MH bulbs. I start off vegging them under Floros and as soon as they get transplanted into the 6.5 gallon pot they go under Hortilux Blues.

2. Get some H&G root excellorator and use it throughout veg, this shit is incredible and simply makes roots go crazy.

3. Aeration and Drainage in pots these big are absolutely critical, so Perlite at %30-%40 of total soil mix is essential if not you will be waiting 10 days in between waterings.

Now everybody has their own fert formulas and mine goes as follows for veg.
Pro Mix
EWC mixed into soil
PBP Grow
H&G Root Excellorator
Fulvic Acid and Humic Acid I prefer Advanced
Liquid Karma
SuperThrive drop per gallon
Great White
Hygrozyme
Cal Mag ( I use RO water)

I veg for anywhere from 24-30 days with 6 plants per 1k now this is with Grape Ape which is short and squat plant naturally plants that exhibit alot of stretch for example SD IBL I would never put into 6.5 gallon pots because it would be a beast to tame in terms of height and the yields would defeat the purpose for strains like that stick to 1,2, or 3 gallon pots.

Big pots are not for everyone and really have everything to do with the strains that you are growing, notoriously low yielding strains smaller statured plants tend to do better in huge pots Ie Grape Ape, Pre 98 Bubba Kush, Pure Kush. It truly defeats the purpose if your strain doesnt grow well into bush and some strains wont and simply will not no matter how much training is done


just my 2 cents and I probably left some stuff out.

Reckon-Good job, look just like my Grape Ape check them out in the Grape Ape thread in the Strain thread, under the Usernames PhillyPride and Mr. Karma, top 5 strain out there if you ask me.

 

[Speedcat]

ok, cool. Makes better sense.

 

[reckon]

Reckon-Good job, look just like my Grape Ape check them out in the Grape Ape thread in the Strain thread, under the Usernames PhillyPride and Mr. Karma, top 5 strain out there if you ask me.

thanks for the props

now I HAVE to go buy a blue hortilux!! (and I'm not using enough perlite)



great post by the way,.........old dogs CAN learn new trix!

 

[UsualSuspect]

Thank you for your insight and information Reckon, that is why I really respect IC Mag; there is a dearth of information to be learned and education is truly power (Along with tons and tons of mis information to sift through. Thanks for the info on "phyllotaxy", I knew this phenomenon happened but didnt know how to articulate it now I can! if I can remember the word lol.


Just some photos to better explain my previous statements, Damn IC I remember when uploading photos was much much easier wow.



I usually mix up the Perlite, Pro Mix, and EWC in a kiddie pool to save alot of time, ran out of mix this time so I had to Mix up a few in the pot



Day 1 of veg with alot more time to go these ladies will end up under 3k

 

[00420]

What is a good rule of thumb for veg time for yeilding a pound under a 1000 watt bulb with 4-5 plants.

4 plant's, 4 gallon's, 4 week's, 4 oz X 4 if you get more be happy if you get less try and try again


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not including rooting time, strain depinding as low as 2-3 week and up to 5-6 week veg is needed somtime's...... dial your strain in
16 or 25 per 1k is more realistic with a 10-20 day veg
grape ape is one of them that like a lil longer veg time aint she boy's....

 

[yesum]

Well, if reckon is right, there is no need for bothersome scrogs and all that. Just clip 5 mm of main shoot and call it a day!

I have yet to grow any and this sounds great, cause I am lazy. I reckon i should say thanks reckon. Thanks

 

[reckon]

your welcome,......

now I really don't think my method (which I learned about HERE in these forums) INCREASES yield,...I think I just get more grade "A" RIPE buds, and less "B" grade "not quite ready yet", and almost no popcorn (which is ALWAYS immature)

if I went scrog on this I'd probably DOUBLE the yield, especially with a super fast grower like grape ape,....but I can't scrog in my tiny growing area (no access to the rear plants once they get over 12"), without reducing the number of plants to the point I'd actually lose weight.

so I do the 5mm cut and clean up, simply because that's the way I CAN,.....if I had a larger area I'd go scrog, which in the past was the fattest yielding method I ever used, and worked with just about every strain I tried it with.

you do what ya gotta do.
(or in my case what's possible)

and the screen name (mine), most people read that and think I'm some good ol' boy from down south (nope, native californian), but really "RECKON" was one of the most prolific graffitti artists in NYC back in the day, and even though he painted over 350 subway cars (full murals too, no tagging crap),..NO ONE ever knew his (hers?) real identity, and the NYPD had an entire 50 cop task force after him,......he never got caught,...........not even once.

hopefully it'll work for me too, although now that I'm legal, it's less of a concern, and more nostalgia, and novelty, but you can be inside my place and never know I had 9 to 12 girls under a 1K at all times.

 

[UsualSuspect]

Yes 00420 Grape Ape is a forever vegger and really takes all the tricks to speed her up even just a tad.

I dont knock anyones methods it is truly to each his/her own, . . . . But I have grown in almost all of the different size pots for flowering 1gal, 2gal, 3gal, 4gal, 5gal, and now 6.5 gal and I must say the bigger pots are alot more forgiving, and plus once the stalks get as thick as quarters your guaranteed a yield off just about any Indica dominant strain.

but hey just my 2 cents

 

[Skunkmiester]

My Grape Ape pheno

My Grape Ape pheno

Got a Purple Erkle bag seed that was a accidental find she is nice and a great yielder.Here is a couple pics one of her clones flowering at the first day of week 5.

 

[Speedcat]

yea, the first run is always to test your shit and see where improvement is, second run of same strain is dialing in everything you think will work, third run is almost masterd the strain.