Please help me preserve a special plant

[Snype]

First off I'll say that I have unlimited space, time and lights to be able to do this so I don't care how long it will take me to do this right.

If I have a plant that I found that I want to keep and make seeds of that plant that are stable what exactly do I do. This is what I think i'm supposed to do but can someone tell me if i'm wrong. We'll call the plant that I have that i want stable seeds "Plant Z". I'm assuming that I cross it to a strain that i'm the most familiar with because it will be easy for me to see those traits and get them out so we will call the male cross "Northern Lights". Do I cross the Plant Z to a tested Northern Lights male and then grow out those seeds and look for the closets traits and keep crossing the males from the offspring back to plant Z and keep growing out the next gerneration and cross it back to plant Z and just keep doing that until they are pretty similar. Am I wrong?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Search cubing...

 

[Snype]

Oh I see, I'm going to look that up, thanks!

 

[FrostyMcSuccess]

you got it right but you may want to breed 2 similar plants to lock down your favorite traits. Some may be recessive & some maybe dominant, its up to you to tweak it & ensure the most unique flavorful expressions of that plant-z you have are brought out & shared with the community as a whole. Sensi NL isnt a bad staple for backcrossing but do you know if Z has any sensi NL in it yet or anythign related?

 

[Snype]

My plant "Z" is a Strawberry Cough. I bought a few pounds of Strawberry Cough in NY in 2003 or 2004 and found about 12 seeds. It was some of my all time favorite smoke because of the flavor. I grew out all of the seeds and got 4 females but through out the males but am regretting it now. Out of the 4 females I got 2 Haze pheno's and 2 Strawberry. One of the Strawberry phenos has a lot of cristal but the one that doesn't is the one that I like the best. It's just like the one from the pounds that I bought and those pounds cost me $6,700 each. So now I have my Strawberry #6 as a mom and want to try and get some stable seeds out of her for the future.

 

[jyme]

IF I WAS YOU SNYPE, i would take a couple of clones.then take my clones and make a Colloidal Silver solution this will make the clones produce naners then self fretilize them maybe add a couple of sister clones that want made go hermie the seeds produced will be femalized cubed plants identical to the mum from there i would grow out these seeds and stableize them and cross them to watever you like.just what i would do.i love strawberry cough wish i had me some seeds!

 

[Ganglere]

IF I WAS YOU SNYPE, i would take a couple of clones.then take my clones and make a Colloidal Silver solution this will make the clones produce naners then self fretilize them maybe add a couple of sister clones that want made go hermie the seeds produced will be femalized cubed plants identical to the mum from there i would grow out these seeds and stableize them and cross them to watever you like.just what i would do.i love strawberry cough wish i had me some seeds!

I'd try this without outcrossing until you really know your plant. But I would keep the original clone alive. When the s1's grow up,you clone those you find desirable (or preferably all), and then repeat the steps. after several generations (Sx (as many as possible)) you would have in depth knowleadge of the genetic make up of your oricinal clone. When this is done, you have isolated the lines not carrying detrimental genes but keeping the desired ones.If no bad effects are observed after several selfed generations (to obtain statistical significance you must grow quite a few seeds, but very few compared to 'normal' breeding) you know the original clone contains no or very few bad genes.


Through re-combination of genome at fertilisation you can get new phenos, good and bad, and the same as original clone (OC). Since you have saved those clones you liked all through this process, you can step back and re-make the most desirable seeds, either from OC or from S(x) through selfing or back crossing. That way you can stabilise the phenotypical effects you're looking for, and get plants that behave in a clone-like manner.


At this point I would've liked to out cross the stabilised seed plants with another strain I've done the same with.


Of course the known clones would be most desired by me (cause I know the moms), but with some work you can use males. Cross it with a known mom, then repeat all steps made for making stabile seeds for many generations. All new detrimental (or otherwise) effects can then be thraced to daddy, but you really need to know mommy up front, and you'll need many many many males to choose from, all kept as clones, and from several generations. Once a clone/line is culled it's lost forever, so if this is wanted get ready for some heavy maintenance/paper work if you want to work with males. But unless you have a fanatical holistic view, there really is no need for daddies as you'll get all the genes from the mommies you know like the back of your hand. F1 is F1, hybrid vigour is probably even easier to obtain through mom-mom crossings, since unless you've built the strain from scratch yourself, it's difficult to know daddies genetic make up, while the moms are likely to express it in an discernible way.



There are two factors that really decide if this is worth while: You HAVE to keep clones of each plant selected, atleast untill you reach a conclusion.



AND: You really really really really have to keep presice books. Standardise your meassurements and chart them, write down everything from germ % to high, from root system fitness to colour hue, and everything in between. And even if some plants show negative phenotypical effects during growth, maybe this is the perfect high? Investigate and learn, never cull if you're not sure (or you're running out of space).Do it in a scientific way or not at all.


If keeping records are too boring, then femm some clones and self them. But unless you keep OC, these will at best be approximations of the OC, and when you run out OC will be lost. If you select from S1's you can get almost what you had, more or less.


I wish you all the best whatever you do, please keep us posted on what you do



EDIT: sorry,no space between lines and no time now... will fix it later...EDIT 2: I didn't remember where line spacing was,but hopefully it's understandable now

 

[Daytripper]

because cannabis is hetrozygous, special traits maybe lost in breeding.the offspring of a cross may resemble the male, female, both or niether parent.

the best way to preserve a special plant is to clone it and distribute the clones.

ever hear of haas avacados, grown in california, florida , mexico, chili...ect they are all the same genetically. they are clones of an especially good avacado tree grown by a man whose last name was haas.the fruit industry knew the best way to preserve this special tree was to clone it, as commercial growers have done with cherries, apples, grapes ..ect

go ahead and try selfing , crossing ......ect but clone it if its special.

 

[Londinium]

Yeah the best way to preserve any clone is to give it to as many people as possible so if preservation is your aim...spread the clone-love! Selfing her would be kwik and may have good results But crossing her with great males and then spending time selecting,BXing etc wil be lotsa fun and you may(probably will) find something even more special during your work if u keep at it for a few gen's....Luck'n'Lumens JBo ;]

 

[zeppelindood]

Here's my approach in seven easy steps:

1) Strawberry Cough mother x NL stud = Strawberry Cough/NL
2) Strawberry Cough/NL x Strawberry Cough/NL = Double Strawberry Cough/NL
3) Strawberry Cough mother x Double Strawberry Cough/NL = Snype's Strawberry Cough BX-I
4) Strawberry Cough mother x Snype's Strawberry Cough BX-I = Snype's Strawberry Cough BX-II
5) Strawberry Cough mother x Snype's Strawberry Cough BX-II = Snype's Strawberry Cough BX-III
6) Strawberry Cough mother x Snype's Strawberry Cough BX-III = Snype's Strawberry Cough IBL
7) Send Zep a nice selection of the IBL's

 

[ROJO145]

Here's my approach in seven easy steps:

1) Strawberry Cough mother x NL stud = Strawberry Cough/NL
2) Strawberry Cough/NL x Strawberry Cough/NL = Double Strawberry Cough/NL
3) Strawberry Cough mother x Double Strawberry Cough/NL = Snype's Strawberry Cough BX-I
4) Strawberry Cough mother x Snype's Strawberry Cough BX-I = Snype's Strawberry Cough BX-II
5) Strawberry Cough mother x Snype's Strawberry Cough BX-II = Snype's Strawberry Cough BX-III
6) Strawberry Cough mother x Snype's Strawberry Cough BX-III = Snype's Strawberry Cough IBL
7) Send Zep a nice selection of the IBL's

Nice,almost like ya know what yer doin! I guess ya could follow this guys advice snype if ya wanted to succeed!!!Imma insert my own names and use the formula!!

 

[reservationlabs]

Snipe I am extremely high right now off some of my Hillbilly HAZE, but maybe this will shorten your process.

Get some Rez "Strawberry Diesel" or some of the F2's "FREEBIES" of Strawberry Diesel or Double Strawberry Diesel that people have been making out of Rez "Strawberry Diesel" gear and look for a male of which you like. Drop some pollen from that Rez "Strawberry Diesel" choice male on every bud on your entire clone of your mother plant and enjoy the hundreds of seeds that you will have. :yay:

Note: It may not be an exact replica of your Strawberry Cough mother (but neither will an S1 seed batch), if you pick the correct male you will be more then happy with your results.

 

[zeppelindood]

Get some Rez "Strawberry Diesel" or some of the F2's "FREEBIES" of Strawberry Diesel or Double Strawberry Diesel that people have been making out of Rez "Strawberry Diesel" gear and look for a male of which you like.

This would be a solid male to use, just insert Strawberry D for NL above

 

[reservationlabs]

This would be a solid male to use, just insert Strawberry D for NL above

Haze is good thinking weed. I was so high (not stoned, but high) when I wrote my reply.

Glad it made sense. I was just thinking why wouldn't he just use a Strawberry Diesel Male or a Double Strawberry Diesel Male. Rez has done excellent work with both, it would save him a bunch of trouble and guess work and searching. :

 

[zeppelindood]

absolutely Res... right along the lines of what I'm thinking ~

 

[zeppelindood]

Imma insert my own names and use the formula!!

Oh... don't forget step sies mi amigo, loco Rojo

 

[slackx]

Snype, i'd be willing to stretch some knowledge out your way on stabilizing, bought many books and stabilized a shitty bag seed when I was younger, it's pretty easy takes about 2 years at 5-6 runs a year. Selfing the plant and making an S1 stock isn't much of a good idea, it'd be better to just do a normal true breeding cross between those. Take all those beans grow like 1-200 out, (for best selection) find what looks like the best representation of what your doing. Set goals early its easier to stick to them. At this point you should have Mother, Father, and a couple nice daughters and sons. The best thing to do at that point is to imbred the line with those traits till about F5-F7, if you start to lose traits thats the best time to backcross to the original parents.

 

[Disco94]

Search for DJ Short's Breeding guides and he gives a real good walkthrough of how to do it and what to look for in a male and a bunch of great tips I have found useful in making seeds.

 

[Super.Seeds]

Snype,

It's good that you grew out the SC and found a keeper pheno...I'm still chasing a strain I used to get in Cali in the late 90's but have no seeds and no strain name. LOL Great info in this thread! SCxDSD and then bx'd sounds like a nice way to do it! I hope you document it for us to see!

SS

 

[Snype]

Thanks for all of the help everyone! I had a meeting with my old breeder mentor and he explained everything that I needed to know. Thanks for all the posts and now I'm off to breeding!