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super n00b
super n00b
pardon me
4ft daylight 6500k
LC mix 2 substituted Pro Mix w/ FFOF
Watered with alaskan fish emulsion 5-1-1 and maxicrop seaweed in ACT of ewc and molasses upon transplant into dixie cups.
i have three other girls and one had a Mg deficiency that was fixed with epsom salt.
Switched to a brew of mexican bat & peruvian seabaird with ewc, molasses and liquid seaweed.
Watered 2 days ago
Three of my girls are growing but this one is still having deficiencies.
super n00b
pardon me
4ft daylight 6500k
LC mix 2 substituted Pro Mix w/ FFOF
Watered with alaskan fish emulsion 5-1-1 and maxicrop seaweed in ACT of ewc and molasses upon transplant into dixie cups.
i have three other girls and one had a Mg deficiency that was fixed with epsom salt.
Switched to a brew of mexican bat & peruvian seabaird with ewc, molasses and liquid seaweed.
Watered 2 days ago
Three of my girls are growing but this one is still having deficiencies.
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cyberwax
well they are growing in tiny cups and since its only one showing a slight deficiency im guessing its just a runt. What is the ph on the runoff?
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cyberwax
You water them right? And the excess water coming out of the holes in the bottom of your containers has what ph? And what is the ph of your feeding water?
But to be honest they look great, except that one runt, i would just discard her and focus on those that look great. These are from seeds right?
But to be honest they look great, except that one runt, i would just discard her and focus on those that look great. These are from seeds right?
You are using mostly organics which take a while to work, they work very slowly depending on which ones, some work medium rate.....
if you want to fix this you need to add micronutrients.
Not to mention those plants should be put into pots now, not big ones.... root bound plants can give difficultly in absorbing nutrients.
Are you using RO water? distilled or any water that has hardly any ppm's or micronutrients?
how much promix to FFOF mixture?
How long have they been in this mixture?
The small one is either calcium or potassium, it's too hard to tell, because with those 2 you have to get a close up of the leaf to tell which one it is......and since it's having hard time growing, which it looked like it has been over watered in the past which would explain why it's lagging behind in growth.
That is not a phosphorus problem.
Are these all the same strain?
Right now you do not have a pH problem from what I see right now....
Where does it say don't worry about pH when using organics?
if you want to fix this you need to add micronutrients.
Not to mention those plants should be put into pots now, not big ones.... root bound plants can give difficultly in absorbing nutrients.
Are you using RO water? distilled or any water that has hardly any ppm's or micronutrients?
how much promix to FFOF mixture?
How long have they been in this mixture?
The small one is either calcium or potassium, it's too hard to tell, because with those 2 you have to get a close up of the leaf to tell which one it is......and since it's having hard time growing, which it looked like it has been over watered in the past which would explain why it's lagging behind in growth.
That is not a phosphorus problem.
Are these all the same strain?
Right now you do not have a pH problem from what I see right now....
Where does it say don't worry about pH when using organics?
Moneygrowonweed
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Not to bad looking But IMO i would say PH does matter and you should always know what it is it's the easiest fix and nutes is a little different but check your ph you might be surprised how easy it is to deal with 1 min thats all take the time and do it.
Metatron
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Yessir I water till I get runoff, These are clones of all different strains
Using tap, never pH'ed, I bubble the water for a day to get rid of chlorine, micro nutes from what I understand can be supplemented with liquid kelp and I'm using maxicrop but intend switching to cold process kelp meal soon.
My soil mix has no promix, its LC mix #2 substituted with FFOF, recipe goes as: 6 parts FFOF, 2 Parts EWC, 2 parts Perlite, 2tbs dolomite lime per gallon of mix. The girls have been in the mix since January 29th, planning on repotting this week.
pH in organics first post, near them bottom.
These girls are all different strains. From left to right: Truth, Sour Kush, Master Kush, and Purple Nepal Hash Plant.
Thx I'll get me a pH kit today...
Thanks for responding everyone.
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staff11
I don't think it's a ph problem. Did you add lime to your soil mix? If you did not then it could be. The lime is perhaps the most important amendment in that soil mix.
You dont need a ph meter if you have the right soil mix, organic soil with EWC and lime will control your ph swings. Anyone that has ever tried feeding with compost or manure teas will tell you that adjusting your ph is pretty pointless because an hour or so after you try it will just go back to the previous ph. The soil mix with the lime and ewc help take up the required nutrients even if the ph is out of wack. When is the last time mother nature used a ph meter on outdoor plants? Organics is almost exactly that.
People that are telling you it's ph probably never have grown in an all organic mix.
Another reason I don't think it's ph is because you dont have that problem with the 3 other girls. Are they all the same strain? I recently ran the same set up with you (minus the fox farm soil) and one of my girls was a light feeder compared to the the others and I had some problems with her all grow. She is yeilding decently now but like I said between the two plants she could not handle the compost/manure teas I was giving the other plant.
You dont need a ph meter if you have the right soil mix, organic soil with EWC and lime will control your ph swings. Anyone that has ever tried feeding with compost or manure teas will tell you that adjusting your ph is pretty pointless because an hour or so after you try it will just go back to the previous ph. The soil mix with the lime and ewc help take up the required nutrients even if the ph is out of wack. When is the last time mother nature used a ph meter on outdoor plants? Organics is almost exactly that.
People that are telling you it's ph probably never have grown in an all organic mix.
Another reason I don't think it's ph is because you dont have that problem with the 3 other girls. Are they all the same strain? I recently ran the same set up with you (minus the fox farm soil) and one of my girls was a light feeder compared to the the others and I had some problems with her all grow. She is yeilding decently now but like I said between the two plants she could not handle the compost/manure teas I was giving the other plant.
Metatron
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Yup I got the lime, I know its very important. I mixed at 2 tablespoons per gallon. My mix was 6 parts FFoF, 2 part perlite, 2 part EWC. Used a 4qt container as part. LC Mix #2
montehierba
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salts built up
salts built up
just add some lime and water regularlly with 7.0 ph a couple times the go bach to your normal ph this will let your rootr get a fresh start and some calcium.
salts built up
just add some lime and water regularlly with 7.0 ph a couple times the go bach to your normal ph this will let your rootr get a fresh start and some calcium.
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staff11
Yeah i would just chalk that plant up to being a runt/weak plant if it is the same strain. The other three look great btw.
psycho pirate
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Are you adding bene's (beneficial bacteria) to you nute mix? They help your plans to absorb the nutes more efficiently, and are what really allows organic growers to not worry about pH. Look on eBay for "Blue Mountain Organics" SPT (Super Plant Tonic, it's cheap). It has bene's in it and also Blackstrap molasses along with some trace minerals such as Ca. That SPT is a great add for any organic growers mix. Also think about something like Aquashield from Botanicare, it's a compost solution that has bene's in it.
Metatron
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Just what's grown from EWC and molasses in tea. No myco yet, its next on my list.
psycho pirate
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Here is a link to some bene's sold on eBay. This mix of bene's is like AN Piranha, Tarantula, and Voodoo Juice all mixed into one. That AN mix will cost you over $100. The mix being sold on eBay runs $12.95.
Mycorrhizal Fungi + Trichoderma + Beneficial Bacteria
Mycorrhizal Fungi + Trichoderma + Beneficial Bacteria
Metatron
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thanks
Metatron
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Just an update, the unhealthy girl has new minimal growth with little signs of deficiency. The new leaves have yellowing edges but no browning on edges.
The old leaves still show the def. which is still pretty bad. Growth is slow compared to the other girls.
I started brewing my next batch of tea but I think I'm going to hold off on my sick girl and just use plain water because nute lockout seems the most logical explanation (thx Mr Cheese) with the other girls booming and the one being stunted.
FYI, their all different strains from clone not seed. My sativa doms are doing well with full strength tea. Only one of my indica doms is healthy the other one being my sickly girl.
Thanks again everyone for your input
M-
The old leaves still show the def. which is still pretty bad. Growth is slow compared to the other girls.
I started brewing my next batch of tea but I think I'm going to hold off on my sick girl and just use plain water because nute lockout seems the most logical explanation (thx Mr Cheese) with the other girls booming and the one being stunted.
FYI, their all different strains from clone not seed. My sativa doms are doing well with full strength tea. Only one of my indica doms is healthy the other one being my sickly girl.
Thanks again everyone for your input
M-
Metatron
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No fish meal, I did use the alaskan fish the first time. Right now I'm just brewing EWC, molasses, and liquid seaweed.
