It's 2050: Can We Feed Nine Billion People Sustainably?

[*mistress*]

It's 2050: Can We Feed Nine Billion People Sustainably?

depends on what 'we' is defined as, and what 'sustainability' is defined as...

either way, food production is very efficient & there is no shortage of food.
nor will there be...

distribution of food is different consideration, altogether...
humans never distribute anything 'evenly'... or 'fairly'...
maybe termed 'cane & able' syndrome, w/ animals.

example... large child, small child... large child requires more calories per day to 'sustain' physical form. small child requires less. thus, larger child eats more.
this phenomenon is easily observed in humans, eagles & most organisms... parents feed most vigorous most...

just as gardeners select best cultivars & eliminate rest... crude, but still fact.

there are very fertile ares of planet where only ornamental plants grown, & shipped across globe, for beauty only... while native gardners maybe dont eat as well as would if food crops were grown & distributed to population, instead of specialty crop...

so... foo production not problem... if really got bad, those w/ skill (commercial members of these boards) would simply start growing food instead of other crops...

after all, gardening skill makes growing assorted crops possible... so, definitely, plenty that know how to grow own food & supply it, too.

cost of food different matter, as well...

main concern, for humanity, it seems, not so much food, as clean water...

once clean water private, or not clean, in general... real issues come.
easy enough to go back to agrarian lifestyle... not easy if all water on planet contaminated, or 'closely held'...

humans can live on small calorie diet (even just insects, roots, grains, vegetables) but not on dirty water... something to consider if doing 10-20% 'waste' in any system...

it is not efficiency of production, or even lack of surplus that makes food not available to some... it is costs built into markets to 'sustain' 'food chain'... define those terms for own...



enjoy your garden!

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

No. I only think that there is big amount of hate in almost every ppl, and race/skin color for them is one of the best way to relase this hate



Is this really only requirement for you ??? So you representing your government in all aspect of your life ??

Go to work, make some money, do some shopping, and you will feel fullfilled.

Taxes, voting, working, buying, watching TV, news, politicians. MONEY MONEY MONEY Hah. Wake up bro.. Wake up...

So, they don't have humor in your country?

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

"We" as in "we are the world... we are the children.... we are the ones to make a brighter day, so let's start givin'... there's a choice we're makin', we're saving our own lives... etc"

=]

 

[Wariat]

So, they don't have humor in your country?

oh sorry As you already noted, english is not my first language. I can sometimes dont understand irony

"We" as in "we are the world... we are the children.... we are the ones to make a brighter day, so let's start givin'... there's a choice we're makin', we're saving our own lives... etc"

=]

exactly.

Good luck to you, and let the good karma be with you all the time

 

[bombadil.360]

depends on what 'we' is defined as, and what 'sustainability' is defined as...

either way, food production is very efficient & there is no shortage of food.
nor will there be...

distribution of food is different consideration, altogether...
humans never distribute anything 'evenly'... or 'fairly'...
maybe termed 'cane & able' syndrome, w/ animals.

example... large child, small child... large child requires more calories per day to 'sustain' physical form. small child requires less. thus, larger child eats more.
this phenomenon is easily observed in humans, eagles & most organisms... parents feed most vigorous most...

just as gardeners select best cultivars & eliminate rest... crude, but still fact.

there are very fertile ares of planet where only ornamental plants grown, & shipped across globe, for beauty only... while native gardners maybe dont eat as well as would if food crops were grown & distributed to population, instead of specialty crop...

so... foo production not problem... if really got bad, those w/ skill (commercial members of these boards) would simply start growing food instead of other crops...

after all, gardening skill makes growing assorted crops possible... so, definitely, plenty that know how to grow own food & supply it, too.

cost of food different matter, as well...

main concern, for humanity, it seems, not so much food, as clean water...

once clean water private, or not clean, in general... real issues come.
easy enough to go back to agrarian lifestyle... not easy if all water on planet contaminated, or 'closely held'...

humans can live on small calorie diet (even just insects, roots, grains, vegetables) but not on dirty water... something to consider if doing 10-20% 'waste' in any system...

it is not efficiency of production, or even lack of surplus that makes food not available to some... it is costs built into markets to 'sustain' 'food chain'... define those terms for own...



enjoy your garden!

true dat.

k+

 

[kaze420]

someone said open the borders? wtf
theres enough violence in the world, lets start doubling up countries to

at this point there are many different countries run wiith many styles, who going to help these poor isolated people. the government/charity's non profit? people who want to put time into help other survive.

focus on logistics, get them food/supplies, teach to grow if climate right. ideas.

 

[antimatter]

The solution.

 

[Croissant]

once peak oils effect on the economy is considered and that oceans will raise 20 feet by 2100 it seems to only get really complicated and the outlook bleek. The "externalities" of our economic and societal explosion are going to devastate humanity. What scares me is the extent that the majority of humanity is dumbed down and not aware of how the pieces fit on so many levels. Maybe we wont learn from our mistakes and have an evolution of awareness, which is what we must prepare for imo the devestation is unavoidable at the rate we are going.

 

[kaze420]

logistically is it doable?, could enough $ be resourced out to feed these poorer nations(whos governement is most corrupt)many styles).

land space on earth that can support growth of food. enough of this?

seting in place regulated advised, knowledgeable personal to figure it out right.

im sure all the food out there 9.5bil could be done easy..
breed more eatable animals focus time on this, energy for more life.

FACT IS THIS look america usa
look at us we came to power great success. now take some time focus without corruption on this topic. divide $ among private trusted organizations to help with this to..dont be greedy. someone needs a job right.

so 3rd world countries if smart enough,
because most dont have good resources
can do jobs to make income to support themselves.. from war, invasion, bad politics..greed.. remember your 10 bedroom house, 10,00sqfeet. you got 20 robot vacuums lol

how can afgan grow proper crops in desert just give them water lines! forget the war. have them grow weed everywhere.. countries with 1bil+ already -doing what they can to keep level down, im sure china is helping these people, right.. more time and focus,

but help and cooperation between governments is vital. foreign relations complicates it all.countries as so different in overall style basically.
look at war over power through history. we need to think. dont provoke these nations and dont give so much that they become dependent on you..

the ones without power know they have none/little. given some they might corrupt funds. not good. formal respectful negotiation is the KEY with these nations,, if you want to walk over there and really ask whats up with them, wanna jump in and go for a ride in my ferrari.. i do have candy,.. but you only get the bread first.. and mayb a old toyota. rally your people for good work and maybe you can become total freedom and eat for yourselves..

when america said f you to british american revolution that it we were free. nothing to stop us, granted we did bad things along the way we have built great power so lets realize what happened and stop now before another 1 million goes to nothing so someone has to work a LIFETIME TO provide..really.. most advanced nation on earth in history right?
this is important.. the government was local and states based power.. close to the people the workers the real majority of power..forgot big government. i think we came to far to quick because of greed.. slave. american bs, setting standards of bs, many good things also to. so its like stop realize these politician, who really knows.. but see the world, and see the work that is done? see whos in charge what going on. lie? big government... more lies more complex.. more confusion
keep it local grow yourself yourshit not the mexican brick pack hauled from a sweaty backpac switched by 10 hands.
I'm saying this keep the government local and you will know more about whats really going on. its make sense to me all of this.

in turn helping the future soon space ships everywhere, no nukes(good thing for energy, for bomb making nukes,deadly). less emissions,

promote heathly eating to these countries though
DO NOT just throw down a KFC/taco combo at um either. mayb try organics, i seen crazy big weed flowers grown this way. probably better for your system to.

life is not cheap
but 2050, we had countless millions, with hand labor everything right. doing their thing. surviving.

if we are strong we will survive. regions without much food have survived somehow until now, but with growing population and advancements in modern area they HAVE be neglected..
but as humans thinking requires more then animals. just get food. basically
we need to bring energy to these people. help their minds.

Its a global world, but countries are good to keep the balances and for these corupt areas to get with the good program.

i have no research in this except im taking some us history class currently,but its what i think,

got more thoughts when obama says energy i think hes good energy focus on that ,but right.

or energy like control of you trim the hedge row?

 

[arcticsun]

Aral sea; http://discovermagazine.com/2006/sep/returnaralsea/article_view?b_start:int=1&-C=

 

[9Lives]

Man some of you know nothing about agriculture and economics..

All commodity prices will start to go up. Many people in the civilized world will not be able to afford food. Forget about 2050 let's see if we manage to make it till 2020..

Agricultural commodities are super oversold. When the stock market tumbles down and it will. And currencies are loosing value. Where do you think people will put their money ? Commodities..obviously. That alone will be enough to rise food prices to sky high levels. Not even talking about broke governments that will not be able to afford subsidies. And the looming oil crisis..

Agriculture is not sound..not even close. It's just a bubble like everything else at this point. Cheap food will be history soon enough.

Seeing how cheap food in the U.S is. I wonder if you can even handle some of the prices in the EU countries. And even they will look small compared to what is coming..

 

[kaze420]

overgrow .com
because of their name were they targeted or something. never visited just seems like a good name, best for growing lol to me

yes less food at higher prices mean more work to grow more food..to bring prices down. more debt and borrow to survive from other countries
are we to deep though. are we in debt with china and other power countries to where even doing the work paying the debt growing more food to lower the price of life. doing more, will the other countries not gain more power by exploiting us as we did to them to gain are power.. ironic

but a end to the world not likely , Que the nukes..
global economy global world.. who is getting the power shift those people didnt die they lost jobs..how to pay out borrowing with no new jobs.. you cant.. you lose power over time slower pace.. stop wasting money! give to those who can afford it.start small banks should not lend to anybody, regulate them government.. you do own them right? it is the onlyway im telling you,

invest in smart ideas, emissions saving jobs. less power same energy what the government needs.. LED lights lol get it right

 

[hamstorg]

From what you guys are saying,if i spend all my money on canned food and oil for the following 10 years,i should be a billionaire in 2030,or so?

Cool,im going to buy a bunker somewhere and start depositing!

Anyways guys,i know my place,even though your ego's wont accept it,im a cockroach..one of 7 billion.

With all the science and technology we have we cannot start to comprehend the complexity of nature and the universe.

I'll put my bet on mother nature to do her job,fine enough for me.

 

[9Lives]

From what you guys are saying,if i spend all my money on canned food and oil for the following 10 years,i should be a billionaire in 2030,or so?

Cool,im going to buy a bunker somewhere and start depositing!

Anyways guys,i know my place,even though your ego's wont accept it,im a cockroach..one of 7 billion.

With all the science and technology we have we cannot start to comprehend the complexity of nature and the universe.

I'll put my bet on mother nature to do her job,fine enough for me.

You are better off with buying farmland and growing crops. The landgrab has allready started. Soon enough farmland will be very valuable. This is the best time to buy..

 

[hamstorg]

I wish UFO' came out to public,so people will finally unite under one banner as HUMANS and put all this planet control bullshit far away.People need to start thinking out of perspective,watch things from another angle,like THERE A FUCKING UNIVERSE OUT YOU MORONS,LETS CONQUER THAT NOT CONQUER EACH OTHER.

 

[kaze420]

really all land worth owning is owned you need to ask to purchase, so yes starting a garden would be beneficial for sure, find the time.

buying mass land to farm would be good now. we will need this. provide good water to these crop also.

dont let government own all waterways/water stream, creeks whatever, vote no if you see this jaz. water is ours make it good to use and consume but dont control how much we can use!
spare your water no waste.

food.. yea lets talk about water?
are people getting the amount of good water available they need,

look with leaders these days its all in the writing.thousand page bill and laws.. really all that time for what? nothing.. wasted energy.. its to valuable, energy has made many rich and powerful TAKE IT BACK. its a game ight

 

[SpasticGramps]

You are better off with buying farmland and growing crops. The landgrab has allready started. Soon enough farmland will be very valuable. This is the best time to buy..

You hit the nail on the head IMO. If you don't want to have to worry about all this crap, buy land and lots of it.

Then the whole world can go to shit in a waste basket and you won't really care.

Kind of like me right now.

EDIT: I care, of course, about what is happening. These anxious times to live in, no doubt, but by having land and dumping debit and getting off grid as comfortably possible, you are more insulated from the pain of it all. I always care.

 

[Nor'Easter]

right on man, but how many people who want to live off the land have a clue in hell what it involves? You sound like you do, I am no rancher or anything but I have had animals in the past and have put in large gardens for 20 + years. It isn't easy. I think so many have such a romanticized unrealistic view of it and don't know what they are getting into. Working long hours until you can't work any more and are thoroughly exhausted, only to do it all over again. and again. and again. not for everybody. But when I came in I felt so healthy and self sufficient and pleased at all I had done. And there was the harmony with nature. It is great but not for everyone. peace

 

[SpasticGramps]

right on man, but how many people who want to live off the land have a clue in hell what it involves? You sound like you do, I am no rancher or anything but I have had animals in the past and have put in large gardens for 20 + years. It isn't easy. I think so many have such a romanticized unrealistic view of it and don't know what they are getting into. Working long hours until you can't work any more and are thoroughly exhausted, only to do it all over again. and again. and again. not for everybody. But when I came in I felt so healthy and self sufficient and pleased at all I had done. And there was the harmony with nature. It is great but not for everyone. peace

You're right. You can't be scared of a little work and expect to live off the land. It's not the "easy life", hence urbanization. Most of my friends in the city would starve to death if they had to live off the land. It's not for them, yet.

BTW, I don't "live off the land" right now. I have the space, know how, and want to if it comes down to that, but shit, I like modern conveniences too.

But when the system that gives you everything no long exists or is too expensive, then I would submit that living in a city may/will be much more difficult than working the land.

Survivability issues tend to motivate people to get off their ass. The screws just aren't tight enough yet..

 

[Nor'Easter]

yeah part of me would like to find a remote area like northern Maine or the more remote areas of NorCal, Montana or Wyoming and just grow, hunt or fish everything I need. But I like modern conveniences too. No internet? no way! I could if I had to but don't have to yet. I don't think it will come to that, but if it does I am ready.