mr.mailman
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room temp 21c-29c and water 23-26c after every grow i clean my systems whit (carbonperoxide) it should kill everything that moves. same as used to blond hair but stronger liquid form. not harmfull to plants
YO help me! serious trouble whit akorn!
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mr.mailman
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thank you man for eerything 
youve been helpfull just hope its not rot ive do it one more time whit new cutts if needed hope all iz good.
peace....(i asume) scrogger! ;D
youve been helpfull just hope its not rot ive do it one more time whit new cutts if needed hope all iz good.peace....(i asume) scrogger! ;D
Its the bottle run for you buddy! freeze 2 lrt bottles of water and stick em in your rez(2-3 of them), your res temps are too warm for my liking, you could do with getting them down to 21c max really thats 70f. or buy a chiller! & they cost a pretty penny! 26C = Rootrot! unless your running serious counter measures!
hydrogen-peroxide you mean buddy
hydrogen-peroxide you mean buddy
Mr. Stinky
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mr.mailman
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yea i use peroxide.. so you mean i should put ice in the water :O? but its only room temp warm ?
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26C, this is your problem bro, you need to freeze 2 litre bottles(x3) then put them in your rez, try 2 bottles first and keep an eye on your rez temps. IMVHO this has been your trouble all along judging by your brown roots, Roots dont like it 26C dude, whats that 80f+, not good buddy. Temps of 80f will promote the growth of all sorts of nasties in your rez & you really need to get the temps down to more like 70f or 21C, no warmer than 72f imo! Ive done the bottle run myself a few times over the years, chillers are too much £££, you'll need to put fresh frozen bottles in your Rez every, 6-12 hours or so, sorry but that- with the Liquid Oxy+ will fix your probs imo, Once you get nice healthy White roots you can then start to add other stuff to your rez, but master the M,B formula's first, or quite simply go with Canna or something else like me! Root Temps are very important, i dont care what anyone else says, i know this is right! best temps for roots are 68-70f-simple! Also D'O or dissolved oxygen is at peak levels at these temps, at 80f the water would be holding barely any DO!
Q- What is your PH doing? My bet is it goes down not up!
Peace & G'Luck.............Scroger!!!!!!!!!
Q- What is your PH doing? My bet is it goes down not up!
Peace & G'Luck.............Scroger!!!!!!!!!
mr.mailman
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it goes up but i put ph down pretty often :9 now what ive notced the plants are not growing and the roots are not growing. the plants dont look bad but they dont do shit... im frustrated... i think i throw em away aGAIN ;( maby next time..
dude, you can do it. You have a fungal/ bacterial infection and you need to take care of that before your plants can recover. just get the oxy+ that scrogerman recommended. Mix a reservoir of 1/2 strenght nutes and use the oxy+ in it. Keep your res temps down in the 20c range and watch for new white roots before increasing your nute concentration.
Good luck
HM
Good luck
HM
3BM
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Ok this is what I hear:
Rising pH
Brown film on roots
PVC pipe with running water
Silicone present in water
You have brown algae brother. Read up on aquarium forums if you really want to understand it. However the simple solution is light proof. I mean REALLY light proof. The PVC does let light in, just not enough for you to register it. However the algae will respond to very little light. Algae needs all the things you are giving it to survive: light, water, high 02 levels, silicone. This is like an aquarium set up, and really algae is a sign of living water. However in a garden designed for plants the algae will run wild, and brown algae in particular is troublesome in aquariums too.
So in short: cut out the silicone, and cut out any possibility of light getting in. Wrap the pipe with reflecting sheathing, and foil tape the joints. Make it look like a spaceship in there. Cleaning the system will be trouble as you need a dedicated algaecide like Physan 20, if its not a dedicated algaecide it will NOT kill brown algae. Anything tough enough to kill the algae will also kill ur plants - so be sure you wash and rinse AFTER using these products. Make sure the algaecide is GONE before starting again, or just get new pipes, hoses etc replace anything touching water and then start again SUPER light proofing.
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle
Rising pH
Brown film on roots
PVC pipe with running water
Silicone present in water
You have brown algae brother. Read up on aquarium forums if you really want to understand it. However the simple solution is light proof. I mean REALLY light proof. The PVC does let light in, just not enough for you to register it. However the algae will respond to very little light. Algae needs all the things you are giving it to survive: light, water, high 02 levels, silicone. This is like an aquarium set up, and really algae is a sign of living water. However in a garden designed for plants the algae will run wild, and brown algae in particular is troublesome in aquariums too.
So in short: cut out the silicone, and cut out any possibility of light getting in. Wrap the pipe with reflecting sheathing, and foil tape the joints. Make it look like a spaceship in there. Cleaning the system will be trouble as you need a dedicated algaecide like Physan 20, if its not a dedicated algaecide it will NOT kill brown algae. Anything tough enough to kill the algae will also kill ur plants - so be sure you wash and rinse AFTER using these products. Make sure the algaecide is GONE before starting again, or just get new pipes, hoses etc replace anything touching water and then start again SUPER light proofing.
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle
I Hope Not!!!!!!
I Hope Not!!!!!!
Sorry man but im thinking the start of Pythium, the guy aint complaining about the dreaded slime herpes (brown algae) ive seen it, it dont look like that in this guys rez, that brown algae spreads very fast and your soon over run by the Slime. With temps 23-26!celcius which is 80f+ its more likely to be the start of pythium/root'rot rather than brown algae, Your thinking the silicon has made brown algae spores bloom arnt you buddy?! I see your point but, my buddy MrM has had this issue for a while now & aint complaining about Snotty Slime herpes, Now if he was using Hygrozyme i would completely agree but he aint using a zyme product at the moment. Brown algae can bloom in virtually 0(zero) light conditions, although its good advice to make sure your Res is lightproof! Its been tried and tested & even a light proof Res wont touch the Dreaded slime herpes! It will still Bloom & Spread like a wild fire!Once it gets a hold its very difficult to get rid of!!H2o2 in the early stages of it will fix it, advanced stage like you said its physan 20 or something equally nastie! I'm pretty sure that MrM would be complaining about Slimey roots but he hasnt so i dismissed brown algae as a possible cause, of course you could be correct, i just aint heard the dreaded words, "I Have Brown Slime All Over My Roots, What Is it!" Nothing like this has been said, so i think its pythium atm, But dude i wouldent bet my life against your theory, further investigation is needed here imo!
Peace & I really hope it aint the Dreaded Herpes Slime!
G'luck..........Scroger!!!!!
BTW- Another point, most infections bacterial or otherwise, usually drives the PH down not up, With the Brown Herpes Slime are you saying the PH always drifts up? Not sure about that one?!. Weak nutes will do that=PH UP!
I Hope Not!!!!!!
Ok this is what I hear:
Rising pH
Brown film on roots
PVC pipe with running water
Silicone present in water
You have brown algae brother. Read up on aquarium forums if you really want to understand it. However the simple solution is light proof. I mean REALLY light proof. The PVC does let light in, just not enough for you to register it. However the algae will respond to very little light. Algae needs all the things you are giving it to survive: light, water, high 02 levels, silicone. This is like an aquarium set up, and really algae is a sign of living water. However in a garden designed for plants the algae will run wild, and brown algae in particular is troublesome in aquariums too.
So in short: cut out the silicone, and cut out any possibility of light getting in. Wrap the pipe with reflecting sheathing, and foil tape the joints. Make it look like a spaceship in there. Cleaning the system will be trouble as you need a dedicated algaecide like Physan 20, if its not a dedicated algaecide it will NOT kill brown algae. Anything tough enough to kill the algae will also kill ur plants - so be sure you wash and rinse AFTER using these products. Make sure the algaecide is GONE before starting again, or just get new pipes, hoses etc replace anything touching water and then start again SUPER light proofing.
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle
Sorry man but im thinking the start of Pythium, the guy aint complaining about the dreaded slime herpes (brown algae) ive seen it, it dont look like that in this guys rez, that brown algae spreads very fast and your soon over run by the Slime. With temps 23-26!celcius which is 80f+ its more likely to be the start of pythium/root'rot rather than brown algae, Your thinking the silicon has made brown algae spores bloom arnt you buddy?! I see your point but, my buddy MrM has had this issue for a while now & aint complaining about Snotty Slime herpes, Now if he was using Hygrozyme i would completely agree but he aint using a zyme product at the moment. Brown algae can bloom in virtually 0(zero) light conditions, although its good advice to make sure your Res is lightproof! Its been tried and tested & even a light proof Res wont touch the Dreaded slime herpes! It will still Bloom & Spread like a wild fire!Once it gets a hold its very difficult to get rid of!!H2o2 in the early stages of it will fix it, advanced stage like you said its physan 20 or something equally nastie! I'm pretty sure that MrM would be complaining about Slimey roots but he hasnt so i dismissed brown algae as a possible cause, of course you could be correct, i just aint heard the dreaded words, "I Have Brown Slime All Over My Roots, What Is it!" Nothing like this has been said, so i think its pythium atm, But dude i wouldent bet my life against your theory, further investigation is needed here imo!
Peace & I really hope it aint the Dreaded Herpes Slime!
G'luck..........Scroger!!!!!
BTW- Another point, most infections bacterial or otherwise, usually drives the PH down not up, With the Brown Herpes Slime are you saying the PH always drifts up? Not sure about that one?!. Weak nutes will do that=PH UP!
3BM
Member
Agreed, he would do well to look into this subject at least before dismissing it. He does have brown slime on his roots (or at least it appears that way in photo). Surely its open to interpretation and Im sure he appreciates all the help he can get . Hopefully the ongoing discussions will help MM in the end. Concerned members of this community have been a bivouac to me more times than one
As a side note, in my experience (and research) pH drift UP is a sure sign of brown algae, it wont be dramatic, but consistently rising regardless of adjustment.
As a side note, in my experience (and research) pH drift UP is a sure sign of brown algae, it wont be dramatic, but consistently rising regardless of adjustment.
mr.mailman
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Yo i have taken more pics. i didnt put the foil on the pipes but the plants are making white roots like extends to the brown ones...but the plants aint growing a inch they are like 2months old so wtf... im starting to loose it bekause it takes like 10months to grow 1 plant D redicilous.. i took some pics hope you have some more winks about this shiiaat
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so have you gotten the brown stuff taken care of. Now have you ever thought about the empty net pots you have there with rocks in them there is not light getting trough. i would say cover those holes with something maybe some panda film or something like that. you dont want to have any light make it in there. just a thought man.
Admiral Canna
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I've seen that before. I know it looks diff, but they be trics.
mr.mailman
Member
il do that.
mr.mailman
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i got this liquid oxygen now and i added it but 1 died after it now i got only 4 left... sucks
now i got only 4 left... sucks
sorry to hear that. that sucks bad but i am sure you will figure it out. hopefully that works for you. I just use beneficial bacteria in the beginning. and a time when i flip the light just because i change out all the water and go to bloom nutes so i add then. but i didnt like the liquid oxygen kills good and bad bacteria. which in my own readings is you need bacteria. But i am sure you will figure out what is going on. did you cover up those net pots that you are not using. that will help with the light leaks as well. happy growing.....
i got this liquid oxygen now and i added it but 1 died after it
That should not be happening at all dude, exactly what brand product is the H2O2? and at what strength did you use it at??
Ive used Oxy+ for a very long time and i swear by it, its cheap insurance, fighting potential root-rot problems & i'll say its saved me countless crops from certain doom, not to mention the added O2 it provides, its just brilliant stuff.
The strength you use it at is pretty important dude, i use Oxy+ from Growth Technology, its a 17.5 % H2O2 solution, and the recommended strength in active hydroponics, like your system, is 3-5mls per 10 litres. I could see potential problems using it at a stronger than recommended dose, but this stuff is ideal for your current situation and will eliminate any potential pythium or root damaging bacterial problems etc. Root temps are your No1 concern and if they are much higher than 72f you are asking for problems as i have already mentioned to you buddy! Ideal root temps are 68f-70f! These temps & also using H2O2 will help you break down what your problems are, which look more like they are nute related, ie- a deficiency. Good Luck dude, i hope you resolve your issues.
Peace...........Scroger!!!!
