1970/71=Columbian (Confused)

[geemail]

A question for anyone.

Back in the early 70's some pot came through town that was
sold as Columbian Red (It was definitely dark). It was the highest price back then, about $30 an ounce, which was probably more like 1/2-3/4. (about 2 fingers). Mexican was $30 (3 or 4 fingers)

My question is, it was a strong body type buzz. So reading around here it would lead me to believe it was an Indica. But further reading I've read Columbian was a Sativa. So know I'm confused. It was definitely a body type buzz. Best stuff I ever had back then.

Was it Indica or Sativa?

I'm looking for that same stone with today's genetics. Can you
help me?

G

 

[Clackamas Coot]

If the product was from Columbia then it was a sativa.

It's the years that you mentioned that have me puzzled though. At least in Southern California the Columbian deal was later in the mid-70's. Though much of it was actually grown and/or shipped from Argentina. The burlap sacks surrounding the bales were stamped with a logo/label stating that the bales contained manufactured machinery from Argentina (in Spanish of course).

In the early 1970's the big 'red' strain was the (in)famous 'Panama Red' which was/is a pure sativa.

It probably depends on what part of the US we're talking about.

HTH

CC

 

[Bacchus]

I got to try a Columbian Red that was finished in a greenhouse in early Dec, here in Oregon. The buzz was not at all what I expected. I expected a big head rush, paranoia or racy. It was a super mellow, smile generating type of buzz. 1/2 body and 1/2 mind. Very mellow.

The plants were monsters by the time they were finished. I do believe that they were true Columbian reds from knowing the source of them.

 

[trichburner]

The terms sativa and indica are rather generic . Indica was origionally used as a term for weed from India . Then later it was adopted as a description for the short squat plants in Afghanistan/Pakistan . The latter description has stuck to this day .

To answer your question , it's sativa . Not all sativas have an "up" effect . If you were to pick up Mel Franks earlier books or books from RC Clarke , Micheal Starkes or flip through old High Times , you would find that many Colombians and Mexicans had a more "stony" effect . Check out Ace's or DJ short sections in the seed vendor forums , you might find something close to what you are looking for .

 

[geemail]

The terms sativa and indica are rather generic . Indica was origionally used as a term for weed from India . Then later it was adopted as a description for the short squat plants in Afghanistan/Pakistan . The latter description has stuck to this day .

To answer your question , it's sativa . Not all sativas have an "up" effect . If you were to pick up Mel Franks earlier books or books from RC Clarke , Micheal Starkes or flip through old High Times , you would find that many Colombians and Mexicans had a more "stony" effect . Check out Ace's or DJ short sections in the seed vendor forums , you might find something close to what you are looking for .

By what I see with today's genetics would you suggest a 50/50 or what ratio should I consider for a purchase?

My situation is I've never had a choice in buying. It's always been do you want it or not, it never has a name with it. I haven't been stoned in over 6 months now, mainly because I don't have anywhere to buy it. But I am considering a small personal grow.

I guess the only way it will ever change is to pick up and move to an MMJ friendly state.

Thanks to everyone who has replied.

G

 

[trichburner]

Ignore the hybrid ratios . Search around and read breeder description and customer smoke reports and compare them to what you have experienced . I say start off with Ace because several of their hybrids consist of central/south american strains and the breeding has been done to favor the central/south American side of their crosses . Also most Ace hybrids are more than 50% sativa . For starters , look into their Tikal and Guatemala strains .

I recomended DJ Short due to the strong presence of the Chocolate Thai in his hybrids which , by all accounts I have read , is very comparable in effect to the "lowland" colombians . His strains Vanillaluna , Flo , and origional blueberry come to mind .

 

[igrowone]

the time line seems a little out of synch, but i do recall columbian weed that was very sedative/body, dark brown usually
remember i didn't much like it at the time, but it could plant you in a couch for quite a while

 

[geemail]

Ignore the hybrid ratios . Search around and read breeder description and customer smoke reports and compare them to what you have experienced . I say start off with Ace because several of their hybrids consist of central/south american strains and the breeding has been done to favor the central/south American side of their crosses . Also most Ace hybrids are more than 50% sativa . For starters , look into their Tikal and Guatemala strains .

I recomended DJ Short due to the strong presence of the Chocolate Thai in his hybrids which , by all accounts I have read , is very comparable in effect to the "lowland" colombians . His strains Vanillaluna , Flo , and origional blueberry come to mind .

Thanks for sharing these with me. They look like a great place to start researching.
G

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

My first bag of so-called Colombian Red Bud appeared in 1976/77, can't remember exactly. It had small, seed filled buds and it definitely had a body high. To this day, no other pot makes the backs of my eyelids as animated.

Colombian Gold saturated my area for several years. The good bags of redbud were few and far between. Domestic weed started to sell by 1979 and very soon the South American strains were no longer available.

Just scored a Dutch Grown test grow, Merlin's Magic. Acapulco Gold x C99. It ain't SA but maybe it'll bring back some 70s memories.

 

[Highlighter]

Man, I hated that stuff back in the day, it really saturated the market place in the NE '74-'76. It was a sativa, just grown in the low lands. A lot of humidity. It was such a narcotic!
I was all about the "high altitude" mexican, great energetic weed, but it got increasingly harder to find.

The vast amount of stoners preferred the stony body buzz, and that's what the demand was then, and seems to be today.
That's about the time I 1st started growing my own!
Being stoned has it's place, but I like to soar!

 

[Clackamas Coot]

My first bag of so-called Colombian Red Bud appeared in 1976/77, can't remember exactly. It had small, seed filled buds and it definitely had a body high. To this day, no other pot makes the backs of my eyelids as animated.

Colombian Gold saturated my area for several years. The good bags of redbud were few and far between. Domestic weed started to sell by 1979 and very soon the South American strains were no longer available.

That's pretty much what went on in Southern California during that period.

CC

 

[Surf Striper]

EH, the good old days of Colombian Gold, dont remember any red. The gold went from light tan to dark black. 4 finger lids $20 south Florida early to mid 70s. To bad the cops were A holes and still are down there.

 

[motaco]

I'd like to preface this by saying I wasn't there for it. So take it for what it's worth.

But the more I see old pictures (70's era) of colombian buds the more I believe people who say they were indica based.

I forget what the story is, if there even is one. But there has been talk ever since back then that colombian strains were brought with migrant workers from hash producing eras.

And I have no reason to say this other then how sure other people have been about the body effects and looking at the buds. But I believe it. One thing I have seen is sativas acclimate to hot humid weather and that is what they do. They get leafy as all hell. The leaves can still be very resinous, but in order not to get mold those indica buds start getting leafy.

When you look at old colombian plants growing, or large buds, they look so much like indica buds, and so much different than everything else. Plus everyone always commenting on how spicy they were (like hash strains are) in comparison to other south american strains.

I've seen lots of sativa buds, but some of those old colombians have a very odd look. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were indica plants that acclimated to colombia over many generations.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure some if not most colombians were true sativas. But I also wouldn't be surprised if some of those famous spicy narcotic colombian buds, that were oddly round, with tight nodes, and a bud structure that wants to cling to the stem, might have been old indicas.

Plus the leaves were famously resinous. Most of the pure sativas I've seen mainly produce resin on the actual calyx. That is where the seed grows and needs UV protection and pollen collection after all. At any rate, I wouldn't be surprised if the myths were true, and some colombians did come from hash producing countries.

 

[bigherb]

When you look at old colombian plants growing, or large buds, they look so much like indica buds, and so much different than everything else. Plus everyone always commenting on how spicy they were (like hash strains are) in comparison to other south american strains.


much respect

the colombians have always interested me and i understand som lumbos to have been narcotic along wit som other pure sativas of yesteryear such as pan red,lumbo red, colombian wacky weed aka colomian black, choch thai,lowland thai ,africans,black magic

i understand the longer flowering colombians such as colombian black n lumbos of the 60's flower 20 plus as longer or longer than som thai .

as ive spoke of my interest b4 i was recently searchin for info reguarding colombian black as a projecct was in the works for a release

its 100% colombian coastal mountain sativa probably from the manizales area at least I'd hope its a 100% sativa taking 10 months minimum to produce a mature bud. As far as buzz its supposed to be somewhere in between a highland gold and a lowland red half sedative half psychedelic and very strong. I plan to work on a flo hybrid to bring the flower time down increase the flavor and keep the purple but also I'd like to use this to create a perpetual harvest plant that could possibly go on for years.

som info from a colombian black zamalito was workin on

Originally Posted by C21H30O2
4 months flowering ha.. thats nothing Columbian black can flower/veg (12/12 or close flowering spectrum) for over a year before it even starts flowering... a product of an extremely stable environment. they are impractical for an indoor commercial grower but more than worth it for the personal stash... just make sure you have something to smoke during the wait

zamalito

Real Colombians are very long flowering, since they grow so close the the equator, they spend their entire life cycle under 12/12 and as such they flower for a minimum of 16 weeks but typically run longer. Some of out Colombians are capable of running 10 months or more under 12/12 before maturing


Our Colombian Black is a classic afro-colombian line capable of producing very various shades of purple ranging from a light lavender to almost solid black depending on pheno. Most plants develop an anise or licorice odor typically associated with African sativas. When imported to North America during the 70's some might remember this as being sold under the name "wacky weed"


1luvbigherb

 

[Bazarocka]

Dam Dam Dam
Originally Posted by C21H30O2
4 months flowering ha.. thats nothing Columbian black can flower/veg (12/12 or close flowering spectrum) for over a year before it even starts flowering... a product of an extremely stable environment. they are impractical for an indoor commercial grower but more than worth it for the personal stash... just make sure you have something to smoke during the wait"

I don't care if it turned me to zombie goo~~~I could never grow anything that took that long. 4 months ok, maybe 5 for my more sativa dom favorites...

Oh yea ~~~"I was their" 1966 to 71 Colombian Gold (Shit I Miss IT) We used to get pounds (Pop did~~~RIP) in Colorado Springs for $400.

 

[Dalaihempy]

The Colombian red i saw was what i would call a high altitude sativa they had a fat leaf and the leaf color was almost black yet they grew like a sativa slow and long flowering the flowers were nothing like a indica but they were red soon as they went into flower as were the pan red plants and the pan red had a thinner leaf to the Colombian red plants.

The high from memory as it was a long time since i smoked it now had an element of body to the high as some sativas did very strong mj and wish it was still valuable as sk is today the Colombian gold was more a typical low land sativa but the plant that i still rember most from the Americas being Mexico is Acapulco gold it looked like a cacti plant fluorescent green amazing to look at.

 

[Hank Hemp]

Red bud Colombian was the best tasting reefer ever period. Great spicey taste and a soaring high. The down side was it was quarter to a third seed. bummer. But I've never tasted any weed to compare with it.

 

[bigherb]

from dj short strains of yesteryear

Colombian Red

Colombian Red was the near polar opposite of Colombian Gold. This lowland jungle pot (possibly from Brazil) was made up of dark red, almost black, chunky little nuggets of what appeared to be hash, stems, leaf and seed. The aroma was that of cedar and hash.

In the early 1980's, the Red cost only $30 to $60 an ounce due to its appearance, making it one of the best deals going. This pot was a narcotic, knock-you-down-and-out, super munchie, red-eye express. The joints would only burn half way before drowning in their own resin! The smoke was very expansive in the lungs with a powerful pine/hash flavor.

Before subjecting its victim to fits of gorging and deep snoozing, the experience usually included ridiculously long spasms of uncontrollable laughter. The silliest little image could induce hilarity beyond belief. This was the main herb around when the Cheech and Chong movies first came out.

The plants from the Red were among the first grown out by Americans. There were many seeds, medium-sized and dark grey, that sprouted and grew easily into a finished product that was more than adequate. The plants grew low, dark, and bushy, with uneven and somewhat scraggly branches that were easily broken from wind damage. The locally grown varieties rarely budded very much, so it is not certain when they would have finished. It would have been relatively late in November at the earliest.

thanks too all for sharing your experiences


1luvbigherb

 

[armedoldhippy]

what was called columbian red-bud around here was gold nuggets the size of your thumb, with red pistils. $35 an oz, & i SWORE i would NEVER pay that much for a bag of pot EVER! sure would like to see those days again...

 

[hoosierdaddy]

I have to concur with Hank, although I found the red bud to be a bit more heavy than soaring. All of the red bud that came to our area at that time was very, very consistent from bag to bag, and this went on for a few years. Once gold bud started making an appearance the red seemed to dwindle off.
The spicey, peppery taste of Co Red Bud is something that you will never forget.
Quite a bit different from the taste and high of Pan red bud, which was a delicacy that only came around once in a coons age in our area...at least you couldn't find it.

The golds that came around at this time were two type mainly...mex gold and col gold, and it was pretty easy to distinguish between the two. To me, the mex gold bud often had a very similar taste and smell to col red, but the high was a different world. Laugh weed that would completely wreck a new smoker and have them scared to death to be high. I remember the mexicans being darker gold to almost red.
The Col gold bud was also a taste you will never forget...hell I can taste it now!
Some was so yellow/blonde that you would swear they bleached the weed somehow to get the beautiful color. The spicey taste and high caused many to fall in love.

But to this day, my favorite all time weed was seedy ol Colombian Red Bud.
$30-$35 a full bag ounce. (usually one fold of the baggie flap is all you got..until folks started weighing the shit)
If you were hooked up, you could get a 1/4lb of Red for about $115
Funny thing happened, I went into the military, and when I came out the prices of weed had gone completely mad. It may have been the paraquat thing that brought this on. (shrug)

My cousin and myself tried on several occasions to grow our red bagseeds. Always came out with good weed, considering it NEVER EVER finished. If redbud had indica in it, it sure didn't show it with it's seasonal pattern (although I do remember it having big leaves). In fact, we never ever got any mex or col to finish up (~36-38N), and could never pass it off as anything but "homegrown" which at that time was not really a good thing in peoples minds. Quite the opposite today!