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bigbrokush

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It's a drug that's easily abused, it poses health risks, and the potential benefits of taxing and regulating it are overstated.

The City Council's vote Tuesday to shut hundreds of so-called medical marijuana dispensaries across Los Angeles was a welcome move, but the larger battle over pot has just begun.

Across the country, lawmakers and residents of cash-strapped states are edging ever closer to legalizing -- and taxing -- marijuana. In California, the first state in the nation to pass a medical marijuana law, backers of an initiative to legalize the drug expect to gather enough signatures to qualify the measure for the November ballot. And a Field Poll last year showed more than half of California voters would support such a move.

Two beliefs drive this push to make pot legal: that new tax revenue will stave off deeper budget cuts and that marijuana is a relatively benign drug. Neither is true.

Legalization almost certainly would bring with it additional substance abuse in the state, and the long-term public costs associated with that would vastly exceed the relatively modest amount of new revenue legal weed might bring in. Baby boomers who hazily recall their own experimentation with marijuana often are stunned to learn that the amount of tetrahydrocannabinol -- or THC, marijuana's primary psychoactive substance -- in domestic sinsemilla has quadrupled since the late 1970s.

According to Dr. Sheila Kar, clinical chief of cardiology at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center (and a member of the D.A.R.E America board of directors) marijuana has serious short- and long-term health consequences. It has been shown to cause an immediate rise in the heartbeat by 20 to 30 beats per minute along with an increase in blood pressure, thus increasing the workload of the heart. Marijuana is an irritant to the lungs and contains proportionally more carcinogens than tobacco smoke. It is associated with increased incidence of cancer of the head and neck area and lungs. It works on the brain, causing short- and long-term memory loss and impairing judgment, and it affects the sensations of taste and smell. One of its more pernicious effects is that it reduces inhibitions and can lead a person under its influence to try even more harmful substances.

In other words, there's a reason the federal government classifies marijuana as a Schedule 1 drug with a high potential for abuse. It is the most commonly abused illicit drug in the United States, and more teens are in treatment for marijuana addiction than for alcohol or any other drug. Do we really want this habit-forming drug easier to get, particularly as the nation has made significant strides in reducing illegal drug use?

Between 1979 and 2007, the rate of illegal drug use fell by half. Programs such as D.A.R.E. taught schoolchildren the facts about drugs, alcohol and tobacco and bolstered their critical thinking and decision-making skills so they can do more than just say no. In conjunction with Penn State University, the new D.A.R.E. middle school curriculum has been vetted and proved effective at reducing drug use. In recent years, D.A.R.E. has added units on prescription and over-the-counter medications, abuse of which is growing among teens -- another reminder, along with abuse of alcohol, that just because something is legal, it doesn't necessarily reduce the risk of abuse.

And that abuse costs all of us. The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse, or CASA, at Columbia University estimated last year that substance abuse and addiction cost federal, state and local governments $467.7 billion in 2005. Break out federal spending on substance abuse and addiction as its own budget item and it would rank near the top with defense, Social Security and Medicare.

This is where supporters of legalization like to say that decriminalizing marijuana would free up law enforcement resources and provide a tax base to fund prevention and treatment. In fact, CASA estimates just 13% of the combined state and federal substance-abuse costs are attributable to the justice system -- a figure that also includes family court, driving under the influence and hard-core drug dealing. The bulk of the costs stem from direct healthcare expenses. Imagine what a dent we could make in reducing healthcare costs if we prevented more drug and alcohol abuse.

The California Board of Equalization estimates that taxing marijuana sales the way alcohol and cigarettes are taxed could add $1.34 billion a year to state coffers. But for every dollar in state and federal alcohol and tobacco taxes that is collected, CASA estimates government spends $8.95 to clean up the often tragic consequences of addiction, driving under the influence, domestic abuse or illness. That's right: A dollar coming in; $8.95 going out. Suddenly, that $1.34 billion doesn't seem like much, particularly when one considers that it comes with significantly wider access to a habit-forming drug that has been shown time and again to be a gateway to even more dangerous drugs.

Despite the gains of the past two decades, substance abuse remains a serious drag on the health, productivity and safety of our nation. There is a connection between marijuana and fiscal solvency, but supporters of legalization have it backward. Reducing, not expanding, marijuana use can save billions. It's time to clear the smoke.

By Skip Miller
Skip Miller is chairman of D.A.R.E. America, the top drug-abuse prevention and education program in the United States, and a partner in the Los Angeles law firm Miller Barondess.

Copyright © 2010, The Los Angeles Times
 
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Skip

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This is it folks, the start of the battle against legalization. The first salvo coming predictably from D.A.R.E. You are going to see every special interest group chiming in if they stand to LOSE $$$ under legalization. This includes anti-drug groups like DARE which might lose funding if marijuana is legalized.

Notice the LIES they are perpetuating such as "marijuana addiction" which requires "treatment", not even acknowledging that those who go into "treatment" are forced into it by courts, not because they are "addicted" and need help.

Until we confront and crush this mind-set that sees cannabis is a dangerous drug, we will never get it legalized. Fear mongering seems to work on Americans all too well. You'd think ppl would've wised up that those who spread fear are trying to control you...

It has been shown to cause an immediate rise in the heartbeat by 20 to 30 beats per minute along with an increase in blood pressure, thus increasing the workload of the heart.
Uh, so does exercise, so I guess you shouldn't exercise either. Have you considered that this might be a good thing, esp. for those who are too sick or unable to exercise? The doc who wrote my rec mentioned this effect as a GOOD THING...

One of its more pernicious effects is that it reduces inhibitions and can lead a person under its influence to try even more harmful substances.
So does alcohol and tobacco, I don't see them calling for those much more dangerous drugs to be illegal.

it affects the sensations of taste and smell.
Duh! Causing those patients undergoing chemotherapy or with other health issues to get their appetite back, thus allowing them to live longer. This munchie stuff must be a BAD, BAD thing, no?

But for every dollar in state and federal alcohol and tobacco taxes that is collected, CASA estimates government spends $8.95 to clean up the often tragic consequences of addiction, driving under the influence, domestic abuse or illness.
Uh, what does any of this have to do with cannabis?

Marijuana is an irritant to the lungs and contains proportionally more carcinogens than tobacco smoke.
Marijuana also contains properties that PROTECT your lungs from carcinogens, which tobacco doesn't have. But don't bother to mention that cause it might undercut funding for your fearmongering!
 
I was top of my DARE class and my essay won the contest at the end... look at me now.. I blow smoke in the shapes of D..A...R...E..lol
ps i really won that shit and was top of the class...(Inhales again)
 

dybert

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Lol...

Harvest, I think I may have been top of my DARE class too.... My DARE officer in HS drowned, and I went to his funeral...

Oh lord, look at me now...

PS: I can't even begin to fucking point out all the mistruths in that story.

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bombadil.360

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It's a drug that's easily abused, it poses health risks, and the potential benefits of taxing and regulating it are overstated.

By Skip Miller
Skip Miller is chairman of D.A.R.E. America, the top drug-abuse prevention and education program in the United States, and a partner in the Los Angeles law firm Miller Barondess.

Copyright © 2010, The Los Angeles Times


of course this idiot named Skip Miller does not want Cannabis Legalized because he makes a living out of this witch-hunt.

so sincerly, Fuck You Skip Miller, you have a bill with Karma, bitch.
 

Skip

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LOL@ the DARE class alumni we have on ICMag!

Maybe I can take their logo and ppl who went thru it can proudly display that they are DARE alumni. Maybe ppl can put the DARE logo on their grow pics! LOL!
 

brettweir

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What's so sadly ironic about all these outrageous claims like "causes cancer" is that due to pot being prohibited, proper studies can't even be done to get the REAL facts. I'm sure that's what anti-pot lobbyists are afraid of. Once the proper studies are done, we may find out that pot has more positive health effects than negative. Current studies are already showing this.

Just look at alcohol. People thought that was the source of all their corruption and violence. Once it was legalized and regulated, studies were finally able to be done on the substance. What's also sadly ironic there is that most of the health effects of alcohol are NEGATIVE, yet the substance is easy as pie to get your hands on and does much more harm than pot. *sigh*

You know what else? I wonder how these DARE jackoffs would say to their friend/family member if they were suddenly diagnosed with cancer and required heavy chemo, and wanted pot to help them live a better life while their body goes through hell. What gives these guys the balls to deny medicine to people in suffering?
 
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icmag.is.#1

this Miller is a wordsmith of sorts.... twisting all kinds of info to make it sound horrible.. he speaks like its the scourge of the earth.

I dont know about yall but this kinda stuff gets my blood boiling... its nothing but lies upon lies and the worst part is that A LOT of misinformed people will begin to quote his lies as fact.

luckily the tides are changing in our favor we just need more important public figures speaking the truth about cannabis
 
this looks like an essay a 9th grader could have typed up...
sounds like this guy was staring into space and someone told him hes gotta do a report on why they shouldnt legalize cannabis...
do i have to? says the lazy pig.

so this dolt let out a long, drawn out sigh, then went on to copy and paste different statements with no validity...
seriosuly this is the worst attempt and making cannabis look bad that ive seen in awhile....
anyone who reads that shit and believes a word of it is a goddamn retard and should be shot in the head point blank.
good god this makes me angry......


oh oh...and the BEST PART...NO SOURCES CITED...GO FIGURE...


yeah like im going to trust the people at DARE to tell me about drugs....
why not just ask loggers what they think about cutting down forests....
are people really so naive?
 
Smith miller is my knew hero.....Ill be sending in money to help the dare program ...Prevent legalization,,,,,,Hippys trying to ruin The game !!!:witch:

Need more Crusaders and im sure there coming to prevent it...I pray

Need that big quake to make cali fall into the sea !!! for fucking up this Thing We have !!

Dont be shy with the KArma Comments ~
 
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theJointedOne

im sure his side job as lawyer compels him to lobby against cannabis. He knows exactly how many cases him and his croney friends will not be able to work if herb is legal.

Rastamon just burn da herb, babylon burn down
 

xOOx

Active member
well, nows the time for all those groups that are fighting to change the laws like norml, leap, etc. to start piling in the cash for tv advertisements disputing each line of that letter. show the masses the other side of the argument.

xoox
 
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elmanito

Baby boomers who hazily recall their own experimentation with marijuana often are stunned to learn that the amount of tetrahydrocannabinol -- or THC, marijuana's primary psychoactive substance -- in domestic sinsemilla has quadrupled since the late 1970s.

According to Dr. Sheila Kar, clinical chief of cardiology at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center (and a member of the D.A.R.E America board of directors) marijuana has serious short- and long-term health consequences. It has been shown to cause an immediate rise in the heartbeat by 20 to 30 beats per minute along with an increase in blood pressure, thus increasing the workload of the heart. Marijuana is an irritant to the lungs and contains proportionally more carcinogens than tobacco smoke. It is associated with increased incidence of cancer of the head and neck area and lungs. It works on the brain, causing short- and long-term memory loss and impairing judgment, and it affects the sensations of taste and smell. One of its more pernicious effects is that it reduces inhibitions and can lead a person under its influence to try even more harmful substances.

Old, old,old stories over and over and over again.Non scientific lies about health issues.The GMO-, fastfood issue and malnutrition (Vitamin D) is far more damaging to the public than marijuana.

Was D.A.R.E. not the program during the Reagan administration to tell the children to spy their parents if they smoked any marijuana and then call the police, so mom and dad were put in jail and the children in a surrogate family where they were brainwashed.

Namaste :smoweed: :canabis:

 

Skip

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Skip Miller: His own co-workers call him "The Prince of Darkness"... I kid you not!

See here:
http://www.millerbarondess.com/htm/media1/CALawyerMagazine2031996.pdf

Here's his company profile:
http://www.millerbarondess.com/htm/media_says.htm

Notice it says nothing about him heading D.A.R.E.

If you'd like to contact him directly and let him know your feelings about this article here's his info:

Skip Miller, Partner
Phone: 310-552-5251
[email protected]

Maybe we need to do letter (email) writing campaign on these ppl who spread lies in the media about cannabis?
 
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arvid b

Marijuana is an irritant to the lungs and contains proportionally more carcinogens than tobacco smoke.

Marijuana is not an irritant to lungs. Cannabis smoke is.

Just eat it or use a vaporizer. No lung irritation now.

bigbrokush said:
It is associated with increased incidence of cancer of the head and neck area and lungs.

Apparently there are 2 reports that rebuke this claim

The Examiner:
http://www.examiner.com/x-8543-SF-H...okers-face-LOWER-risk-of-head-and-neck-cancer

And now Doctor Donald Tashkin of UCLA Medical School on cannabis and lung cancer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJmQ16cGBHU
 

ToughGirl

Member
I'm so glad I went to school before all of that DARE shit!! Although even if I did, I would've rebelled against it!!:)
 

pipeline

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Man I can't even read that entire thing... I'm sick of this close minded deception.... Its about freedom, thats all its about....
 
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