HID vs CFL debate finally OVER!!!

[MrBomDiggitty]

If you had been bashed as much as Tunder has over using cfl's you might want a little vindication too.

Thunder doesn't get bashed for using CFLs, he get bashed for spreading propaganda about them that can easily be contested by anyone who really has any experience with the things he talks about.

I remember a time in my lurking days when Thunder
"would never use HID" but now he has conceded because "they altered the spectrum."

He also thinks he has discovered the next Chemdog level elite clone, which he has never even smoked once. LOL.

I'll stop there.

When "everyone" bashes someone, there is usually a good reason.

Go over to Yummybud's threads and go defend someone else for a change.

 

[Green Smoke]

LOL. Only thing you managed to prove was that the plants your grew under CFL (which you have 1+ year experience doing) looked better when they were 1.5 weeks younger compared to what you grew under HID (which you have almost NO experience doing).

After reading the beginning of this thread, it looks prety clear that that's all he was trying to prove.

You'll never see weights from TD's CFL grow cab because he realized he was wasting his time flowering under CFLs and now he has HID lighting for flower and CFL for veg.

No one has ever claimed that cfl can out-yield an HID. Read the first post.

Don't take IC so seriously, its full of trolls and troll-hunters

And you are clearly one of them. Back! Back under your bridge troll.

 

[guanito]

CMH

oh sorry. that's for "big" boxes
but that would give you the spectrum you like

let's try to stay out of trouble and all get a bong, shall we?

 

[snowschool]

Just because something you grew under CFL looks better than something your friend grew under 2000w means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

He could have bugs, forgotten to water, over fed, high temps, low temps, light leaks, likes to use his own piss n shit for fertilizer.

WHO KNOWS!?

.3 g per watt sounds like you sucked balls at growing too. You just learned the same lesson as your 2000w friend with a 263w electric bill.

LOL I built a little personal indoor grow to give me something to do this winter- It maybe cost $250 ( including pots, nutes, everything...)total and I got over 66 grams ( worth about 4 times my investment) with less than 2 weeks of veg and also seeded two other plants. This was a one time small personal grow, not a commercial harvest - sorry it wasn't up to your standards as I really do care.

 

[Castelvetro]

im not pissy at all, i thought u guys were pissy but since its like 5 of u let me explain.

i think there pretty much equal in some way, its up to your style of growing an what u consider a headache. i just have seen that they actually arent cooler then hids and that is alot of people deciding point in a micro grow, heat management. they work great and i agree that the buds under them come out nicer in some way then hids..

im actually over my amazement with them that happened a year ago and i read doc budds thread, so yes impressed shall we say with them and what they can do.

 

[Castelvetro]

Well it might have to do with the title. Nothing is officially over, unless Thunder says it? CFL's work fine, why this thread is around like hundreds of others that have been posted in the past, why beat the dead horse more????

I would just like to say that when I grew with CFL's it was hotter (8x42 watt) then my current setup with a remotely ballasted 250 hps, which works much better the the CFL's ever did. The grows yield more, grow faster and temps are easier to manage in my opinion. CFL's are fine for small spaces, but when you need to move around 8 or 10 (with 8-10 built in ballasts, which is where most heat is generated) of these lights everyday in a bigger setup, it's a royal pain in the ass. One light is just easier, with less heat.

Just my experience, not bashing anyone's belief.

And to say that anything under a 400 watt HPS is a waste is just completely false.

exactly!!!

 

[staff11]

I would also like to point out that I do still veg with the cfl's.(I like that you can control stretch much better with closer lights) They do have their purpose, for some people if that's all you can use then use it. For flower the hps just beats them hands down imo, and yes they finish up faster when I veg with cfl's and flower with hps then going all hps through out (or cfl).

 

[microgram]

there actually not and they are far from icecubes, if u want icecubes run some t-8s. cfls watt for watt are about the same as a hid light, im comparing around a 100 watts of cfls in the form of 20-30 watters with a 150hps, about the same and there less watts. i think your comparing a micro grow of a few hundred watts to like a 400-1000hid or something, had u ever ran 400 watts of cfls youd be in for massive massive heat, the ice cube analogy is just wordplay and b.s. but i dont want to talk about cfl lights, i dont care. i use them but sparingly, even in similar wattage the growth rate compared to my 150hps is snail speed. i was thinking my 150 would be so much hotter but it wasnt, im pleasantly surprised and wont be dicking with cfl bulbs for the ice cube effect anymore, like i said try n veg 5ft by 3.5 ft with a 150cfl bulb..neva gonna happen.

but this is thundurks thread and like i said the clf budds look better-

I have no idea what cfls you're using, but of course they're going to be 'hot'(compared to an icecube) attached to a ballast. Normal flouros are not hot because they have an external ballast. But a 40W HPS is going to be a hell of a lot hotter than my 42W CFL.

But, your findings are your findings. If you want to believe anything, you'll find it in yourself to find out what you want to believe.

I don't think I've ever compared the quantity of bud from an HPS with anything other than HPS. Same goes with any lighting. But you'd have good luck trying to grow Salvia with an HID system; it wont work. Theres a reason why it's called "High Intensity Discharge" and why it has more lumen output versus a cfl, or a MH.

If you can use HPS, then do it. It's OBVIOUSLY the better choice given optimum environmental growing conditions.

 

[Hillbilly Wayne]

I agree on the smell somewhat but haven't run enough side by sides to really know. All I can say is it's time to play with spectrum more in HID grows like Sun Pulse folks are doing... Cuz I have noticed that my Thunder Goo girls in the tent are pushing 11 weeks right now and are barely purpling up like I've seen at 8-9 weeks in my CFL cab so I think that's something to take note of as well...

my cousin still insists on using HPS
we both have had rooms full of DJ's Grape Krush

his room reeked with a 50 pound scrubber
mine only smell if i get to messin with em, i do nothing for odor
have grown many different varieties with no issues
i'm not saying its law, this is just my observations over 10 years

but he dont mind, so oh well!
he digs the big returns, i dont care about weight

i agree its all about spectrum, and its hard to replicate the sun
good luck with all you do

 

[!!!]

I don't think I've ever compared the quantity of bud from an HPS with anything other than HPS. Same goes with any lighting. But you'd have good luck trying to grow Salvia with an HID system; it wont work. Theres a reason why it's called "High Intensity Discharge" and why it has more lumen output versus a cfl, or a MH.

MH *is* a HID lamp, and it works fine for Salvia. You just need to put it further away. My salvia grew an inch a day..

 

[Castelvetro]

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''But a 40W HPS is going to be a hell of a lot hotter than my 42W CFL.''



the 40watt hps is abuot the same as the 40watt cfl, not a hell of a lot hotter, u should run one yourself n compare them. thats what u guys dont get, they arent that cool.

 

[BC Chronic]

I've never used hid but I did get great results with cfl's...I used 161 watts of mixed spectrum in a 1.35 sq foot pc...the buds were dense nugs...side lighting helped too so cfl's are convienient, cheap and produce good buds if done right..
I should also add in that I got 114.7 wet/30 dry off an 11 inch plant...
Good job!!

 

[MrBomDiggitty]

What these guys don't get is they can't make statements like "run a 40w HID next to 42w CFL" if they have never tried them.

What are you trying to do, convince me to go waste my time, energy, and finances on some BS when y'all don't even know what end its comming out of.

Unless, did YOU compare a 40w HID to a CFL, micro?

 

[greenhead]

Is there really any debate? This is a retarded thread in my opinion, and the threadstarter clearly has an agenda, just based on the silly title of the thread.

I'm a small grower who grows in a cabinet and I use both a tiny HPS and some CFL's, so I don't have a dog in this fight. I don't give a fuck what somebody uses.

For some people, CFL's might work best for their situation and for other people HPS might just be the ticket. And for others like me, a combination of both is what is preferred. Why does one need to be better than the other? It all fucking depends.

 

[Castelvetro]

small people always have excessive pride, u cfl guys are napoleans of growing, nobody does care, im simply not bragging like the starter of this thread over something so stupid as light for a weed hobbie, just stating facts for people who want to run an hid and are afraid of heat, well the heat sig is about the same watt for watt as an cfl, the growth rate drastically differant, if u dont get this then you havent compared them yet not i.

 

[MarquisBlack]

Man, you're still participating in this debate, Thund? Good on ya giving the ol' HID a try. Like 3d said, both are tools and in the end, both have advantages.

 

[Thundurkel]

I have no agenda thank you very much just had quite a few pms asking me to compare my buds and I had the same strain going in both at the time I did this thread. I love my 400w HPS/MH system and I love my CFL SOG too and folks couldn't tell the difference when it was dry and cured. I made the thread for folks who grow with CFLs but still feel HPS might do better in their micro grow like I did for a while to show them they don't need to waste the money. Honestly I'm sick of the shit personally and I'm way more into breeding right now...

Side note on the smell comment, I just started using the Head Formula not too long ago and the plants in my CFL cab right now are the first ones to be given the Head Formula from the start. With that said my GOD do they stink! Which they didn't do last time unless I got up close and smelled them but now my closet reeks! I think it has to do with the nutes being perfect and have a closer to real sunlight spectrum and the essential oils are being produced just like under my 400....

 

[Castelvetro]

how do u waste money on a hid?? agenda agenda agenda, thun your great but give it a rest-

 

[greenhead]

Lumens is pretty fucking important in a grow.

Let's say somebody has 6 - 40 watt CFL bulbs (240 watts) - total lumens would be about (6 x 2600) = about 15600 lumens

And let's compare that to a 250 watt HPS = about 30000 lumens

Electricity is pretty expensive in a lot of areas.

Why would somebody want to pay the same cost in electricity and only get half of the lumens that they could be getting?

There is no doubt that I would choose the 250 watt HPS over 250 watts of CFL bulbs. One method gives me about twice the amount of lumens as the other method.

If I'm going to step up my grow, I'm certainly not going to add 10 more fucking CFL bulbs, I'm going to add a higher powered HPS light.

 

[Thundurkel]

For a micro space it's a waste of money when you consider if your 1 150w bulbs goes out you have to buy a new one and your garden suffers from a fucked up light cycle. CFL goes out in a micro space it's just 1 of many and doesn't hurt your plants while you go to the store and buy a bulb way cheaper to replace. Plus Home Depot has 9yr warranty so when to go out bring it back for a new one for free... Now I'm done guys newbies you are on your own I've helped give enough info for you all to see to make your own decisions.. Happy Growing!!! please close thread