UK's Hysteria Hits US

[Hash Zeppelin]

I smoked weed when i was under 16 with probably about 1000 (my graduating class was 3500) other kids under 16. Not one of them had any mental problems. Infact they had less problems than the kids that didnt smoke. Where I am from they put so much pressure on kids to be at the top of the totem pole, they they crack from pressure. the kids that got to smoke a bowl at the end of the day could relax.

Now I am not saying kids should smoke weed, what I am saying is society is making them crack, not weed. I had so much pressure put on me in school that, if it wasnt for weed you have seen me on the evening news with an assault rifle dumping rounds in the school faculty members' heads. Weed saved lives.

 

[ocean99]

Any study blaming weed on schizoid personality disorders is kaput. What the larger scientific community has yet to accept is that schizofrenia is a conscious decision. Much in the same way a dog can be trained a person can condition themselves to believe just about anything. I have a schizoid personality type and I choose to medicate with marijuana. Some of my schizoid "symptoms" are exacerbated by smoking weed, bt the most important thing is that marijuana slows down the thought process which would otherwise manifest itself in a much more violent way....

 

[sarek]

thats why it should be decriminilized, then people under 16 might not smoke it. Right now the gov says its all bad, kids see everyone doing it and no big problems so gov loses all credibility. If decrim, then hopefully a better message comes accross. I personally think people under 18ish should try to stay on the straight n narrow more often but the govs bullshit actually CAUSES these problems. When I was 16 it was difficult to drink but EASY to get stoned.

 

[lost in a sea]

ok Deathtosoapbar----

you do understand what predisposition means, im sure,.... thats all i said, that people with a predisposition to mental disorders should not smoke weed nor take any other uncontrolled drug..

firstly i never said anything about schizophenia in that last post, i dont believe there is any link between that and cannabis...nor a link between cannabis and any other particular disorders.....not a link!

no i dont believe the TV! in fact i dont even have the time to watch what bullshit they are feeding other people...i wish i did..


i started smoking at 14........at 16/17 one of my "friends" totally lost his marbles, looking back it was always going to happen to him because he just wasnt mentally stable enough...it took years, but he is normal enough now.......it (as in various forms of madness) apparantly ran in his family, but i saw ganja rip him to pieces........ive smoked weed with hundreds of people that have never said they know anyone who has had the same happen, but still, it happened....and i cant blame contaminated weed/hash for this, because there wasnt really any around then...

i am completely pro pot.......but this guy should not have been smoking it...FACT...and there are a seriously small minority of people that shouldnt be smoking weed..how you define them...i dont know if it is possible...

but ive seen it with my own eyes, it didnt make me dislike weed then, and it doesnt now...

i obviously dont think that the chemicals in cannabis are why it is illegal, the governments dont care about how dangerous alchohol is for you brain to be saturated in, so why would they give a shit about the relatively weak active agents in cannabis....No like you said, that is a political game of tennis between no 10 and the media...

so you spend alot of time in a psychiatric ward and your a qualified herbalist, and you think that those ppl in the psychiatric ward could do with some weed to cure them ??

maybe it would help one or two short term, but on the whole, sadly, thats not usually how mental illnesses work...

and that point i made about hash not changing, that was to make the point that the media talking about "super skunk varieties", is bullshit because the hash from someplaces is, and always has been stronger.....the sputnik's or soapbar's out there are a fair bit worse than the black i am thinking of....... i was in morocco a few years back, met a few farmers doing their hash wacking, and they didnt put anything in their black other than weed...im sure others do though..

 

[MoldyFrogToe]

i wonder what cigs to do kids going through puberty...or alc....wtf is their point...

 

[lost in a sea]

for one thing, they both retard the brains development......as well as damaging the bodys development as well.

puberty is the worst time for anyone to be taking anything...brain areas are changing, as well as hormone levels and other chemistry.....

but governments make sure that people in certain areas have plenty of access to cheap booze and cigs...

and that is their point......to keep people from certain socially disadvantaged backgrounds, killing themselves earlier in life....

its a very important govt policy, and always has been..

 

[xxd]

I would loose my mind without canna, too much reality for me.

 

[lost in a sea]

Any study blaming weed on schizoid personality disorders is kaput. What the larger scientific community has yet to accept is that schizofrenia is a conscious decision. Much in the same way a dog can be trained a person can condition themselves to believe just about anything. I have a schizoid personality type and I choose to medicate with marijuana. Some of my schizoid "symptoms" are exacerbated by smoking weed, bt the most important thing is that marijuana slows down the thought process which would otherwise manifest itself in a much more violent way....

that is correct....many mental disorders, that are not due to a phsysiological predisposition, are quite often caused by negative thought processes, causing a rewiring of neural pathways.

it can start as just an idea in your head, then you think about it more and more, until that stream of negative thought patterns becomes a river you cant get away from !.....depression is the simplest example of this...

scientist's accept this between them, but have no real intention of telling the community at large, until they understand how to control it.

it is all actually down to how learning is facilitated in neurons, through synaptic budding, and how they (the neurons) can reorganise themselves into new overlapping pathways....

it is how we naturally learn new information, but it goes wrong in some people....

 

[!!!]

Relax. Neither LSD nor THC cause psychosis. THC is not the same as LSD. The UK/weed hysteria is ridiculous and should be ignored. Pot legalization is underway and will happen eventually.

If you don't know anything about schizophrenia, then please do not make assumptions. Schizophrenia is a very serious mental disorder that results in PHYSICAL brain damage (brain shrinks, reduces white matter, increases the fluid that fills gaps in the brain.) It is definitely NOT the result of a negative thought process. It is an extremely complex illness that is not caused by one factor. It is the result of predispositions and environmental factors.

Schizophrenia runs in my family and I have first hand experience on how damaging it can be for a person and their family. I have been doing research on it for awhile (particularly the causes, prevention, and treatments of it) and unlike most disorders, it is not caused by, nor can it be attributed to, one specific issue.

Basically, the brain gets "wired" wrong at birth and during adolescence (the cause of this is under investigation.) It isn't until 15-25 years down the road that the patient (who likely had schizophrenia the entire time) becomes aware of this, and only because the impairment gets so bad that they require treatment, or at least begin exhibiting obvious deficiencies or symptoms.

Schizophrenia is not about voices and delusions. Those are just symptoms and are only seen in very late stage schizophrenia. People with schizophrenia might enjoy Cannabis, but that doesn't mean Cannabis "causes" schizophrenia.

 

[lost in a sea]

at the moment many different things are being wrongly lumped together as schizophrenia, and only because they are in the same spectrum of disorders...

no one was talking about it directly....

 

[master shake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PP8tsmW9Z0

Wow what a bunch of shit propaganda! Reading that post about DJ's BB in the strains section makes it clear how what they are referring too as "more potent and dangerous marijuana" is in fact just a flood of Eastern indica genetics and hybrids into the market..

 

[deathtosoapbar]

ok Deathtosoapbar----

you do understand what predisposition means, im sure,.... thats all i said, that people with a predisposition to mental disorders should not smoke weed nor take any other uncontrolled drug..

firstly i never said anything about schizophenia in that last post, i dont believe there is any link between that and cannabis...nor a link between cannabis and any other particular disorders.....not a link!

no i dont believe the TV! in fact i dont even have the time to watch what bullshit they are feeding other people...i wish i did..


i started smoking at 14........at 16/17 one of my "friends" totally lost his marbles, looking back it was always going to happen to him because he just wasnt mentally stable enough...it took years, but he is normal enough now.......it (as in various forms of madness) apparantly ran in his family, but i saw ganja rip him to pieces........ive smoked weed with hundreds of people that have never said they know anyone who has had the same happen, but still, it happened....and i cant blame contaminated weed/hash for this, because there wasnt really any around then...

i am completely pro pot.......but this guy should not have been smoking it...FACT...and there are a seriously small minority of people that shouldnt be smoking weed..how you define them...i dont know if it is possible...

but ive seen it with my own eyes, it didnt make me dislike weed then, and it doesnt now...

i obviously dont think that the chemicals in cannabis are why it is illegal, the governments dont care about how dangerous alchohol is for you brain to be saturated in, so why would they give a shit about the relatively weak active agents in cannabis....No like you said, that is a political game of tennis between no 10 and the media...

so you spend alot of time in a psychiatric ward and your a qualified herbalist, and you think that those ppl in the psychiatric ward could do with some weed to cure them ??

maybe it would help one or two short term, but on the whole, sadly, thats not usually how mental illnesses work...

and that point i made about hash not changing, that was to make the point that the media talking about "super skunk varieties", is bullshit because the hash from someplaces is, and always has been stronger.....the sputnik's or soapbar's out there are a fair bit worse than the black i am thinking of....... i was in morocco a few years back, met a few farmers doing their hash wacking, and they didnt put anything in their black other than weed...im sure others do though..

You say that anyone with a predisposition to mental disorders should not smoke weed or take "uncontrolled substances" so in that case are you saying it would be ok for them to take legal substances though? Like for example 7 coffees a day maybe a few nurofen or a handful of pro-plus would be ok though? I find that unlikely...
Think about it, everything we consume affects our brain chemistry wether its in a positive, negative or relatively neutral way, even experiences in life can affect our brain chemistry.
You say your friend "lost his marbles" because of smoking cannabis but at the same time you say he "wasn't mentally stable" anyway, so it looks like he was gonna "lose his marbles " wether he had smoked weed or not, also you say he was 16 at the time so im gonna guess he wasn't growing his own , so how can you be completely sure he was smoking clean cannabis if he bought it off the street?? Also was he taking any other substances illegal or legal around that time?
Yes i spent some time in a psychiatric ward AS A PATIENT, NOT A DOCTOR (and i wasn't in there because of cannabis), because i was in there i couldnt get access to my cannabis so i was quite unstable, anyway a "friend" sneaked me in a half ounce of hindu kush, i started slyly spitting out my medication and secretly started smoking the weed, within days the docs were saying" we are seeing vast improvements in you and your mood" they believed it was because of their psychiatric drugs obviously.
During the time i was there i got to know a guy who was suicidal, one day he sneaked into a cubicle there and tried to stab himself, i went in and offered him my joint, within seconds of smoking it he started to calm down , there was tears in his eyes and he just looked at me and said "thanks", it was an amazing moment he didnt end up harming himself, its my opinion that weed can help most people with mental illness, not worsen it.
Someone worked out i was smoking cannabis while i was there and the docs threw me out (best thing for me to be honest) want to know why? It was because they felt stupid saying i was doing well and improving only to find out it wasnt because of their psychiatric drugs, but because of cannabis and they couldnt handle that.
As for soapbar hash i think youll find its more than "a fair bit" worse than the likes of "squidgy" black, i know for A FACT that soapbar hash can cause mental illness...but that isnt even weed.
Yes im a qualified herbalist but dont work due to medical conditions, the fact that you say "qualified where??" implies that you think im not telling the truth...so out of principle im not gonna bother telling you where as i dont need to prove anything to you .

 

[xxd]

Too much of certain homeopathic medicine can give you hepatitis c

 

[lost in a sea]

my "friend" was drinking and smoking dope at the same time, a lot around this time... but i dont think he would have gone mad if he wasnt mixing them....he would probably not have gone nuts at the time if he wasnt toking, but that is just my opinion...the doctors didnt blame ganja until a few months had gone by, and he told them.

but since then he has had everything under the sun coarsing through his vains and is ok(ish).

i believe it was more his age and family history, not exactly the cannabis per se....but shortly after smoking he would start ranting and raving and arguing with himself about allsorts of non-sensical crap..it was very scary to be there, and the major impression i got was that the ganja was sending him off on one...

no he wasnt mainly smoking home grown, i was at the time, my first reefer ever was home grown!, but he definitely was not...but he wasnt on sputnik, and sprayed shit wasnt really around then..

ive seen electrical wire, plastic bags even perlite in soapbar so i wouldnt ever disagree with you on how shit it is....people put motor oil in it and anything they find under the kitchen sink, boot polish !!...

but the bottom line for me..........is still, that if possible i wouldnt allow a child that had a family history of mental illness any cannabis, contaminated or not.....when he/she gets to 18/20 then fine, we are all composed, fully developed adults by then, and free to make our own choices, but kids and cannabis are not an ideal mixture, just like kids and alcohol, but not as bad....

like someone else said, it is all the more reason for a move towards legalisation of some form..

btw, i just didnt know that someone could be a qualified herbalist..no offence was meant..

 

[draztik]

From my experience it's "Television" that's making everyone crazy, not marijuana. I really think that people do not see the detrimental effects of prolonged exposure to a box that emits light and sound for the sole purpose of brainwashing everyone.

 

[deathtosoapbar]

my "friend" was drinking and smoking dope at the same time, a lot around this time... but i dont think he would have gone mad if he wasnt mixing them....he would probably not have gone nuts at the time if he wasnt toking, but that is just my opinion...the doctors didnt blame ganja until a few months had gone by, and he told them.

but since then he has had everything under the sun coarsing through his vains and is ok(ish).

i believe it was more his age and family history, not exactly the cannabis per se....but shortly after smoking he would start ranting and raving and arguing with himself about allsorts of non-sensical crap..it was very scary to be there, and the major impression i got was that the ganja was sending him off on one...

no he wasnt mainly smoking home grown, i was at the time, my first reefer ever was home grown!, but he definitely was not...but he wasnt on sputnik, and sprayed shit wasnt really around then..

ive seen electrical wire, plastic bags even perlite in soapbar so i wouldnt ever disagree with you on how shit it is....people put motor oil in it and anything they find under the kitchen sink, boot polish !!...

but the bottom line for me..........is still, that if possible i wouldnt allow a child that had a family history of mental illness any cannabis, contaminated or not.....when he/she gets to 18/20 then fine, we are all composed, fully developed adults by then, and free to make our own choices, but kids and cannabis are not an ideal mixture, just like kids and alcohol, but not as bad....

like someone else said, it is all the more reason for a move towards legalisation of some form..

btw, i just didnt know that someone could be a qualified herbalist..no offence was meant..

No problem man ,i agree that young children shouldnt smoke cannabis but i also think they shouldnt have caffeine alcohol or even paracetemol or nicotine and it seeems we agree on that .Sorry if i came across as offhand...im just very passionate about my views on the ridiculousness of cannabis prohibition and all the hype that surrounds it.

 

[englishrick]

Cannabis contains over 400 indervidual bits and over 60 cannabinoids,,,,,,,,western bred cannabis is mainly THCritch...THC is not the best canna has to offer!!,,,,,id even say its too active to be "redily" avalable in places like WALLMART,,,,,

test show only spicific groups react positivly to cannbinoid treatment,,,,,by-all-means get canna to the groups it helps,,,,,i AM NOT sayin THC causes psychosis!!!,,,,,,

BUT I AM sayin "its too active to have in a newsagent`s next to the cigs"..... disspencerys are fine,,,chemist`s are fine!!,,,,make prescription available from the doctor



wouldnt you rather use a less phycotropic substance as an antagonist??, in the search we might find something better than what we have now?,,,,,,

if ya gona say "shops like WALLMART should sell herbal canna in the same form as we have it now" then ya might aswell sell salvia100x and every other smartdrug next to it.....at this point headshops become chemists, an they need qualifications,,,then we are back to square 1,,doctors and prescriptions for THC

recreational drug-use is another debate..

if you wana get "high" then the drug is gettin used for recereational puropses!!,,,,,,there is a fine line between "recreational drug use" and "drug abuse"




put a chemist in WALLMART!!....make prescriptions for THC available in ALL FORMS.....makin budform ilegal is crazy!!!,,,,,,,,,its the ilegality that creates a blackmaket!!

 

[Snagglepuss]

If ya got mental illness in your family genes,it could possibly happen.I believe it,People pre-disposed with certain genes for Schizophenia.Could possibly accelorate or facilitate symptoms "with heavy usage".Causing some type of psychosis.This happens all the time with heavy lsd users ,go read the Schizo forums they are their telling their stories.What age does the mind finish developing??? With that said ..lets smoke!!

 

[deathtosoapbar]

If ya got mental illness in your family genes,it could possibly happen.I believe it,People pre-disposed with certain genes for Schizophenia.Could possibly accelorate or facilitate symptoms "with heavy usage".Causing some type of psychosis.This happens all the time with heavy lsd users ,go read the Schizo forums they are their telling their stories.What age does the mind finish developing??? With that said ..lets smoke!!

Fair point snagglepuss , but lets admit it THC isnt LSD is it. I can believe that may be the case with LSD but not THC.

 

[englishrick]

western bred cannabis is ritch in mainly 1 cannabinoid THC,,,,,,

THC might not be exactly the same compound as LSD, but we cant argue against the fact that THC makes you trip a lil too,,,,,,

THC is not the only medicaly benifical cannabinoid, so why do "WE" focus on THC,,,the answer is because "Westeners" love tripping,,,triping is a sideeffect!!, at this point we are entering into "recreactional drug use" ...at some point "Recerational drug use" becomes "drug abuse"

we need to stop believing what we are doing is recreationl drug-use,,,,,,,its not Recreational imo,,,i think we all medicate for a good reason!!,,indervidual reasons!!


imo