Seeds or Clones ??

[lilman]

I found a nice outdoor strain that finishes mid to late sept, i figured i would get some seeds and make a nice mom. I talked to the seed co they said: As a rule clones dont finish on time and they dont yield as much.
Is this true ?

thanx for your time, te lilman

 

[FoCo(No.Co)]

Key information: the guy at the seed company told you this.

 

[lilman]

Key information: the guy at the seed company told you this.

Exactly what i thought ! Thus my post =)

anybody else ??

thanx

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Yes, it can be true in my opinion. Although i dont believe the answer is as black and white as most would like it to be.

More than 1 pot expert will argue that the more light a plant recieves, the more auxins that build up in the plant tissue and auxins depress light sensitivity and delay tjhe onset of flowering. In fact, ive had more than one breeder insist that the quickest way to get a plant to flower/finish is to wait until late season to plant. This would disallow any auxin build up and would theoretically allow the plant begin to flowering more quickly.

I dont know if thats true or not. Here are some things i think I know to be true at least in my world.

If you start a plant indoors under light and cut the light back to force the plants to show sex, that plant and any clones taken from it will take 2 to 3 weeks longer to finish than the same plant that wasnt forced to show sex. If you have a plant that normally finishes sept 30, it will finish mid october if forced. The harder the force, the longer it will delay flowering.

If you start plants in Feburary under 14.5-15 hrs of light and make clones from those plants, they will finish at the same time or even a bit sooner than the original. If you start the same plants under 18/6, there is a slight delay. The longer plants are grown indoors and the more light they recieve, the more flowering will be delayed.

If the mother plant is from last season or the genetic is several years old and has spent considerable time indoors, then clones from that plant taken in the spring will finish later than the original. Only clones taken from plants started this season under minimun light levels have a chance of finishing earlier than the original date.

I havent found plant yeild to be effected unless the clones are planted later. In my opinion, a well develop clone planted on May 1st will yeild the same as a seedling planted on may 1st.

Thats been my experience but this is a complicated issue in which there seems to be little common knowledge of and even less agreement. Who knows?

 

[lilman]

Yes, it can be true in my opinion. Although i dont believe the answer is as black and white as most would like it to be.

More than 1 pot expert will argue that the more light a plant recieves, the more auxins that build up in the plant tissue and auxins depress light sensitivity and delay tjhe onset of flowering. In fact, ive had more than one breeder insist that the quickest way to get a plant to flower/finish is to wait until late season to plant. This would disallow any auxin build up and would theoretically allow the plant begin to flowering more quickly.

I dont know if thats true or not. Here are some things i think I know to be true at least in my world
If you start a plant indoors under light and cut the light back to force the plants to show sex, that plant and any clones taken from it will take 2 to 3 weeks longer to finish than the same plant that wasnt forced to show sex. If you have a plant that normally finishes sept 30, it will finish mid october if forced. The harder the force, the longer it will delay flowering.

If you start plants in Feburary under 14.5-15 hrs of light and make clones from those plants, they will finish at the same time or even a bit sooner than the original. If you start the same plants under 18/6, there is a slight delay. The longer plants are grown indoors and the more light they recieve, the more flowering will be delayed.

If the mother plant is from last season or the genetic is several years old and has spent considerable time indoors, then clones from that plant taken in the spring will finish later than the original. Only clones taken from plants started this season under minimun light levels have a chance of finishing earlier than the original date.

I havent found plant yeild to be effected unless the clones are planted later. In my opinion, a well develop clone planted on May 1st will yeild the same as a seedling planted on may 1st.

Thats been my experience but this is a complicated issue in which there seems to be little common knowledge of and even less agreement. Who knows?

This was EXTREMELY useful TYVM !!

te lilman

 

[NellaK]

One thing to remember is when you grow cuts outside is they can get a shock cuz they get real sunlight so look out for them they can turn yellow ..grow em from seeds you wont have this problem but you need to grow more plants