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GDP Under 318w LED from Hydro-Grow-LED.com
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cork144
i agree LEDgirl,
he chops early then wonders why he didnt have a good yeild,
he chops early then wonders why he didnt have a good yeild,
superchronitron
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maybe your 318w aren't as well-tested as the 126w so the problems inherent in them are just beginning to show... a friend of mine who dove right in and bought 2, 318w lights is getting even worse results than i am... i call it like it is. maybe you should recall your undertested 318w model?
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i chopped ONE plant early. and it was the scrawniest one, since it was out of the footprint area, which should have been 2x4 but was effectively no greater the dimensions of the light itself. Also GDP is 56-day flowering strain. I went the full # of days before i pulled the other ones. I'm not saying these lights don't yield killer buds, nor am i saying that i could probably do better next round now that i am familiar with the conditions these lights need for success. I *AM* concerned because THIS particular model has neither the footprint or the penetration that Cammie described, and this is based on my own and my friend's experience. i have yet to see OTHER journals finish with the 318w model, so i am wondering if it may be that the light itself has not had the kind of TLC going into its design that the 126w model did, and if i didn't just pay Cammie roughly $1000 to do the R&D on this light that she should have done herself before putting the product on the market in the first place. To me that's unethical.
CAVEAT EMPTOR!
I see LEDs great for very short squat plants like strawberries or short flowers. can someone send me a link of a grow done with a 318 watt that yielded well? I'm not being sarchastic, I just dont want to sift through a bunch of these failed attempts searching. I have been so interested in these things for 3-4 years now. Anyone here remember gopher from the old AN med forums? So far he has done the best I have seen with LED and he scrapped it a long time ago after researching for some time. it has been years and I have prayed for the technology to catch up and produce a decent yield. I want to believe. I want to believe:]
superchronitron
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I suspect that this technology obeys some kind of variant on Moore's Law, where the efficiency of LEDs doubles roughly every two years... i say wait another 2 years before really investing in this tech...
superchronitron
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i'm sorry but did you even read my journal?
uh yeah, seems like this thread took a left turn fast... I'd say your result is due to you not changing your style to fit the new lights. they need to be closer, you possibly need a heater in the room, you need to trim all of the lower crap before hand so you're not wasting energy trying to develop nugs that aren't even getting any light.
all in all a pretty poor first run. try it again with an LED mindset. I think this technology is going to be very impressive, people just have to unlearn traditional growing rules.
all in all a pretty poor first run. try it again with an LED mindset. I think this technology is going to be very impressive, people just have to unlearn traditional growing rules.
Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? Seriously? The 126W uses the EXACT same light engines as the 318W, with the same 60 degree LED's. The only difference, is that there are WAY less light engines in the 126W. So to state the 318W light output is untested is ludicrous. Our light engines, spectral output, and light intensity have been tested thoroughly, and due to our product design their is continuity between all products. There is no difference between stacking multiple 126W panels side by side, vs using the 318W, except that the 318 has a few extra reds that we threw in between all of the light engines, for BETTER development in flowering. Yup, like 2-3% extra red LED's in clusters of 4 between the light engines.
So watch what you're saying, or you won't find yourself around here much longer. Take some responsibility for Christ's sake. I've seen people yield more than 96g with 200W of CFL alone, so what is your excuse??? Can't blame the extra 300W of help you had from LED... A gardener who can't recognize his own errors or inabilities, who then goes around blaming the manufacturer when his results are far worse than others, is only crying for attention. Anyone else who does a quick look around, sees that your results are bad even in comparison to a 200W CFL grow, yet you HAD THOSE IN THERE AS WELL. So you gonna blame the CFL now too?
Long story short, you did LESS yield with 318W + 8 tubes of CFL's, than other beginner gardeners did with a single 126W LED.... The only one here to blame is yourself.
Oh believe me bro, I'm not investing in anything but HID for now. however, I think you would have done much better with considerably smaller plants. I drive by a shop every day and see this bright ass pink light in the window and its throwin light pretty good in the window. I have no idea brand or the wattage. I havent even seen the thing. just the light it puts out. they are growing something but I cant see what it is because its so small. I also don't know if the CFLs you used played with the spectrum of the LED, but I wouldn't rule it out. I am trying to be subjective. I see points in both LED Girls & your arguments, but I still want to see the results of the technology growing comparable results to 600-1000w electronic ballasts with enhanced spectrum lighting. When I do, I will by 20 of them, save a ton on power/cooling costs and never replace a bulb again!
This sounds so good right? Almost too good to be true, huh? Yes, I am a skeptic. Though I do believe in technology and enhanced awareness Education and science to make what was once though impossible. I remember watching tv shows and movies with laser guns and thinking "will never happen" not in my lifetime... Boeing has a 747 like plane that has a "laser" that cuts holes and slices and dices through tanks, & buildings from several thousand feet up.. technology is growing at an alarming pace. who knows, maybe this will be the only way to go once perfected. if LEDs were still 1000w but required no cooling, I'm saving huge on cooling costs and equipment/bulbs if they produced yields and quality like a 1000w light.
This sounds so good right? Almost too good to be true, huh? Yes, I am a skeptic. Though I do believe in technology and enhanced awareness Education and science to make what was once though impossible. I remember watching tv shows and movies with laser guns and thinking "will never happen" not in my lifetime... Boeing has a 747 like plane that has a "laser" that cuts holes and slices and dices through tanks, & buildings from several thousand feet up.. technology is growing at an alarming pace. who knows, maybe this will be the only way to go once perfected. if LEDs were still 1000w but required no cooling, I'm saving huge on cooling costs and equipment/bulbs if they produced yields and quality like a 1000w light.
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dongle69
those look like they are 2 oz. a piece to me. look how big the nugs are compared to the AC unit on the floor.
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dongle69
...and 16oz is an lb.
Why are we stating the obvious?
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dongle69
Look in his gallery.
Not even close.
okay, so in his gallery he says it's less than 4 oz. and in the picture of the racks it's drying on and the nugs with the lighter, i'd say yes, as long as it isn't bone dry, it's probably roughly 3 1/2- 3 3/4 oz.
superchronitron
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Objectively speaking, I KNOW there a few things i would change next round, i've already described them pretty thoroughly in this journal if people would take the time to read it. Other than economic reasons that was the purpose of this journal - to show, tel and learn.. and i have learned a great deal from this experiment already. 96g is pretty lousy but INSTEAD OF A BLANKET AD HOMINEM ATTACK on my gardening, perhaps LED Girl in her insurmountable experience and expertise, might be able to provide some constructive criticism, since that is how actual communication is accomplished. Yes during bloom i will move the lights down to 6" from the canopy, sacrificing footprint, but since i will only have three plants under the light (see pic), it should be fine.
Mediumwise, I have also switched over to Sunshine mix #4 with an aeration mix (thanks to ProSource soil experimenters for figuring this out!) so that more frequent watering may occur. I will not change the nutes since i like them a great deal, but i have changed my strain over to OG. I added 4, 90w PS lights to the mix (1 per plant, see pic) and completely took out the t5s.
I will flower next week when the plants are like 8-12" tall so i can keep the lights within the 2' or so of the topsoil needed to produce fuller growth down there, and i will DEFINITELY trim the tiny shit at the bottom as it grows (i deliberately left them this time to test HG-LED's claim that they "penetrate right down to the bottom buds") I have temp-controlled fans keeping it @ 85f, as per recommendations from Doug @ ProSource. So we will put all these factors together and see what they can do. I am well aware that LED growing requires some adjustment of technique, but my cup is fairly empty anyway, so i have taken care to adopt the techniques of others who have been successful. In the case of the 318w LED i have yet to see successes. I see some small successes in the 126w category, so what gives?
Don't think i am not humble enough to acknowledge the factors on my end that need adjustment. Like i said I am a self-admitted novice with an empty cup and a readiness to try the recommendations of persons who have experience with LEDs, in this case, the manufacturers and others who have dared to take the plunge with me. If you will take the time to look through my full journal on GrassCity, you will see that i asked for and implemented faithfully the advice given to me by HG-LED, as well as all of you. I would naively expect the same humility from HG-LED, however, which is seldom if rarely expressed. I know that IN THEORY the light engines work in the 318w model, but theory is not the same as practice, which i have put into place for you. I would love for you to show me a successful grow with this light... i mean to be one next round!
here's the pic of my new setup!
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Dongles right, this no more than 3 zips and probably closer to 2. nothing filled in at all. Super, I appreciate your experiment. I don't want you to think I don't appreciate your thread. sorry for pointing out the obvious without fully reading the thread. its just that after reading so many of these threads, I dont want to see the growth proccess anymore. I just want to see the results.
