Vaping over rated??

[Danks2005]

I have recently used a vape for the first time, both a bag type and vapor genie pipe. I do feel that I get higher with less weed, but everything tastes the same to me. I also have a hard time with the pipe (too much inhalation to properly hit). I really don't like the taste though, and the odd taste lingers for a long time. That said, I am a joint man, and may just be hard headed. I do like the idea of vaping for health reasons and may buy, and start using one just for that reason, but smoking is much more enjoyable to me.

 

[daydreamer]

the magicflight vap is really nice. very small and inconspicuous, and also inexpensive.

 

[flat5th]

You still get the tar thought , Probably more than smoking cuz none is waisted. Even if i vape only i still cough up tar. But you get no side effects like smoking, Burning plant matter makes nasty stuff that make you feel nasty, IMO.

More tar? not possible. Take the white tissue challenge.

Get 2 clean white tissues.

Take a good size hit of vape, hold it in, Press one of the tissues over your mouth and exhale through it, using the tissue like a filter for your breath.

Now take a hit off a bong/bowl/joint and exhale through the second tissue.

Report back as to which one has more tar.

Fifth.

 

[bromhexine]

heh we used to do that as kids trying to hide the weed smell we would exhale into a cloth dunno how much smell it filtered but every exhale left a brown mouth stain really ruined the high thinking about how much tar was staying in our lugs. havent tried exhaling vaporized into cloth but i'll bet theres far less if any. @ ColBatGuano: i agree the vapor genie through the pipe it came with takes alot of inhaling before you get the vapor although attatched the head on a bong and you get it much faster because the bong helps extract more air faster and the stuff is never black when im done just a light brown so i think its still doing the job.

 

[Mr.Meds]

^^ I have done that and you will get a stain both on the inhale and exhale with the smoke and literally no stain with the vapor.

 

[StreamMagic]

Of course burning stuff will make more stain, You get soot,byproducts and nasty crap that are not tars. Im talking the resin and oils, if you vape buds and the resin and oils is vaporised w/o being destroyed, Arnt you getting pure resins ,aka tars? Which is good obviously but i do cough up tar using a vape, How do you expalin that? Other than the fact that i smoke to much.

 

[Mr.Meds]

1.) you smoke too much so you got smokers cough
2.) cannabis is an natural expectorant
3.) tar comes from chlorophyll and plant matter...not "resin"
4.) when first using a vape you go through an expectorant type phase
5. you may need to turn down the temperature on your vape

 

[psycho pirate]

I think most people turn the temp up too high on their vape... The smoke is not supposed to be white and cloudy looking... Its supposed to look like a light fog or a haze... If its white you are burning away more of the impurities and making the vape kinda pointless... I have a dial Volcano not the digi and I keep the temp at 6 maybe 6.5... I have seen people fill up the bag on their digi Volcano's and it looked as thick as when you fill the chamber in a bong, and that's way too much

 

[THC123]

I always vape on 5.5 with my volcano , never higher , well sometimes 6 the 3rd run.Bit i feel like higher then 5.5 gives that hay taste , if you vape at 5.5 you really taste the smell

Arnt you getting pure resins ,aka tars? Which is good obviously but i do cough up tar using a vape, How do you expalin that? Other than the fact that i smoke to much.

Well if you smoke and vape of course you are gonna cough up tars. I have quit smoking since august. The first few months i coughed up tar , but now when i cough (and i almost never cough anymore) it's clean and not black or brown

 

[BudToaster]

Mr. Meds said it perfectly -- his post should be a sticky in the forum's vaping section.

it's nice the expectorant effect of vapor can clear my lungs from the normal dust and crap in the air i breath.

 

[nepalnt21]

this thread proves that vaporizing is definitely not UNDERrated, thats for sure

 

[StreamMagic]

''tar comes from chlorophyll and plant matter...not "resin''

Well thats a shocker for me. Are they 2 classes of tar or simply one is tar and the other is not? What is resin if not tar?

 

[THC123]

tar comes from the burning process , doesn't matter what you burn

 

[Truthman]

I think most people turn the temp up too high on their vape... The smoke is not supposed to be white and cloudy looking... Its supposed to look like a light fog or a haze... If its white you are burning away more of the impurities and making the vape kinda pointless... I have a dial Volcano not the digi and I keep the temp at 6 maybe 6.5... I have seen people fill up the bag on their digi Volcano's and it looked as thick as when you fill the chamber in a bong, and that's way too much

That's not true. It depends on the how much active chemicals are being released as well as how much moisture you have in your bud. At a low temperature you get a fog because you aren't vaporizing a lot of active cannabinoids. They tend to vaporize at 7 and up. If you have bud that has good amount of moisture in it and you have the temperature at 7 and up then you it will look cloudy because the water mixed with the higher amount of cannabinoids make a dense vapour.

Check this out:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19852551

Cannabis smoke condensate III: The cannabinoid content of vaporised Cannabis sativa.

Pomahacova B, Van der Kooy F, Verpoorte R.

Institute of Biology, Leiden University, The Netherlands.

Cannabis sativa is a well-known recreational drug and, as such, a controlled substance of which possession and use are illegal in most countries of the world. Due to the legal constraints on the possession and use of C. sativa, relatively little research on the medicinal qualities of this plant has been conducted. Interest in the medicinal uses of this plant has, however, increased in the last decades. The methods of administration for medicinal purposes are mainly through oral ingestion, smoking, and nowadays also inhalation through vaporization. During this study the commercially available Volcano vaporizing device was compared with cannabis cigarette smoke. The cannabis smoke and vapor (obtained at different temperatures) were quantitatively analyzed by high-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC). In addition, different quantities of cannabis material were also tested with the vaporizer. The cannabinoids:by-products ratio in the vapor obtained at 200 degrees C and 230 degrees C was significantly higher than in the cigarette smoke. The worst ratio of cannabinoids:by-products was obtained from the vaporized cannabis sample at 170 degrees C.


This site has a graph and is more in depth.
http://stash.norml.org/new-study-examines-cannabis-vaporization

When they state byproducts I think at low temperature they mean essential oils(taste) and for higher temperature or smoking they mean tar and carcinogens.

An important thing to note is that you can lower the byproducts through vaporization by vaporizing at a low temperature first to release the lower temperature oils first and therefore preventing them from being burned and turned into tar and then raise the temperature to release the higher temperature cannabinoids which give a more powerful high.

Vaporizing this way gives you the powerful high that smoking gives but more because more cannabinoids are being released as well as giving you the taste and health benefits that we love form vaporizing.

BTW, to prevent the taste from not being good when vaporizing at higher temperature just put some flavored liquid in your bong or water filter(cotton soaked in orange juice and put at tip of wand) and this should solve the taste issues.