California Supreme Court Strikes Down Specific Cannabis Possession & Grow Limits

[Hydrosun]

Those 24 plants I mentioned are 'per grow' and, I normally only flower 2 to 4 of those plants.
The rest are disposed of through selection.

That is the thing, I am responsible and not violating any laws yet,
I'm limited in my ability to select the best plants per grow due to our plant count.
I need to grow these 24 plants for a month before the major selections are taken.
I wonder if any judge would consider my explanation above ? ;>}

Sir, you are violating federal law. If you refuse to acknowledge your law breaking you are blind as well as a hypocrite.

So you feel perfectly entitled to grow 24 - 30 plants, that is because it is our natural right to grow our own food and medicine.

Even though I think you are evil you should never have to explain yourself to a judge for growing a plant. No human should face a single day in jail over pot. The fear spread by the government helps keep production down and makes freeborn men exercising their natrual born rights

We need to fight them at every turn and overgrow the world, we don't need to worry about what a hypothetical judge may say someday in the trial of one of our brothers.

Peace,

 

[theJointedOne]

Sir, you are violating federal law. If you refuse to acknowledge your law breaking you are blind as well as a hypocrite.

So you feel perfectly entitled to grow 24 - 30 plants......

Even though I think you are evil you should never have to explain yourself to a judge for growing a plant.

well I dont think growing that much makes one evil. Jah knows the healing of the nation should be free to be grown as much as one feels right. For medication, meditation, and inspiration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That being said. I am kinda surprised the amount of skeptics in here. I don't think 1 or 10 pounds can be seen as excessive anymore. And if 6 and 12 are for "normal" uses then i guess since I smoke about 5-6 times as much as other "normal patients" i should be able to grow 5-6 times as much as said "normal" amount? Dam right

 

[theJointedOne]

I declare this day (1/22) "Green Friday"

The first day of no Sb420 Limits!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MrBomDiggitty]

Everyone should be allowed to grow a plant just like everyone should be allowed to have a pet lion.

Come on now, just cause its natural doesn't make it safe.

You go telling some dumbass young adult there are no limits anymore... the dumbass young adult listens, turns the 12 plant garden into a 50 plant garden... cops raid, future fucked up.

 

[rlmedicals]

And if it wasn't for those ppl pushing the envelope, there would be NO MMJ, NO decrim, NO legalization movement. Just the old drug war status quo.

Sorry but NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL GOOD CANNABIS USERS TO COME TO THE AID OF THEIR COUNTRY! LEGALIZE IT!

I agree to that skip but those were healthy pushing of the envelope. People are now going to say that 20lbs is medical necessity which in most cases it is not, and every joe blow is going to be claiming that 20lbs is necessity to their condition, its going to look bad in pubic perception when you have everyone with a recommendation claiming that there 99 plants and 20lb is a necessity to their condition, which in "MOST" cases they do not need that much. I said MOST, which means not all of them but MOST of them.

 

[Owl Mirror]

Sir, you are violating federal law. If you refuse to acknowledge your law breaking you are blind as well as a hypocrite.

So you feel perfectly entitled to grow 24 - 30 plants, that is because it is our natural right to grow our own food and medicine.

Even though I think you are evil you should never have to explain yourself to a judge for growing a plant.

See, this is yet another attempt by you to misconstrue my words and misrepresent my comments.
EVERYBODY is in violation of Federal Law !
Are you claiming that every med patient in every Medical Marijuana friendly State should turn themselves in because they are still violating Federal Law?

As for the (24-30 plants), once again you misrepresent what I said.
You left out the portion where I said, I sprout 24-30 seeds and yet, only flower 2 to 4 of the plants for self-consumption purposes.

 

[Hydrosun]

Everyone should be allowed to grow a plant just like everyone should be allowed to have a pet lion.

Come on now, just cause its natural doesn't make it safe.

You go telling some dumbass young adult there are no limits anymore... the dumbass young adult listens, turns the 12 plant garden into a 50 plant garden... cops raid, future fucked up.

If he is going to get raided over 50 why wouldn't he get raided over 12? Also both are under the fed 100.

If it is natural does it have to be UNSAFE like a wild lion? OR could it be natural AND safe? If the answer is left up to reason and science, mj would be classified less dangerous and tabacco (also natural).

So if some guy in CA wants to claim that 20lbs a year or a month is necessary for him who should stop him and his doctor? If you would imprison him to help him from himself why aren't you imprisoning tobacco users and growers?

The argument presented by RLmed is defeatist. How about 20lbs a year is healthy for some people and NOT harmful to any adult. Really RL, "It will make us look bad...."

The it will make us look bad is really lame, it seems like drinking at a speakeasy during prohibition and then having a moral objection to someone making too much bathtub gin in their own home.

Read the quote in my sig. and ask yourself who is making this community look bad: Those who overgrow the world OR those who would cow tow to the abuses of their liberties.

Peace,

 

[MrBomDiggitty]

why does it have to become personal when this a message board with info for everyone.

its like the pot calling the kettle black around here (owl/hydro)

 

[MrBomDiggitty]

If he is going to get raided over 50 why wouldn't he get raided over 12? Also both are under the fed 100.

If it is natural does it have to be UNSAFE like a wild lion? OR could it be natural AND safe? If the answer is left up to reason and science, mj would be classified less dangerous and tabacco (also natural).

So if some guy in CA wants to claim that 20lbs a year or a month is necessary for him who should stop him and his doctor? If you would imprison him to help him from himself why aren't you imprisoning tobacco users and growers?

The argument presented by RLmed is defeatist. How about 20lbs a year is healthy for some people and NOT harmful to any adult. Really RL, "It will make us look bad...."

The it will make us look bad is really lame, it seems like drinking at a speakeasy during prohibition and then having a moral objection to someone making too much bathtub gin in their own home.

Read the quote in my sig. and ask yourself who is making this community look bad: Those who overgrow the world OR those who would cow tow to the abuses of their liberties.

Peace,

Actually, if you grow 12 or 50 safely, no tell, no smell, no sell - you can be safe.

But if you grow 12 not so safely, and then hear that limits are gone, and up your grow to 50 not so safely, you are not safe.

I wouldn't celebrate this court ruling too much, but that is just me.

As far as who makes the community look bad, those who overgrow or cow tow? Well, I'm a bit mixed about my feelings on this one.

Lets look at Gay Marriage in Cali, for example.

First, let me make this clear: I am not gay. I am not married.

1) Gay people wanted to get married, but couldn't.
2) The people passed a law which allowed Gays to marry.
3) Gays got married.
4) The people passed a law which does not allow Gays to marry.
5) Now Gays can't get married.

Are you to say that if a Gay wanted to make a difference for other Gays, he is going to achieve that by going and getting married to another Gay while Gay marriage is banned?

A Gay getting marriend while Gay marriage is banned is not going to achieve anything except for that one Gay person and the person they marry.

Now to bring it all together: Overgrowing the government, in my opinion doesn't advance anybodies rights except those profiting off of the illegal activities.

Cow towing to curbed rights until you can legally enjoy your rights is the only way to advance conditions for you and your group.

Look at Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Rosa Parks. These individuals achieved greatness for the whole of the group of their people because they tried to stay within the constraints of the system, barely crossing legal lines.

Extremists are individuals who take for themselves without regard for the group they are members of. Extremists line the pockets of police, lawyers, judges, etc when they get busted.

By staying within the means of the system, and slowing pushing those limits set by the system is the best way for change.

 

[Hydrosun]

See, this is yet another attempt by you to misconstrue my words and misrepresent my comments.
EVERYBODY is in violation of Federal Law !
Are you claiming that every med patient in every Medical Marijuana friendly State should turn themselves in because they are still violating Federal Law?

As for the (24-30 plants), once again you misrepresent what I said.
You left out the portion where I said, I sprout 24-30 seeds and yet, only flower 2 to 4 of the plants for self-consumption purposes.

You may think me EVIL but, coming from an immature snot-nosed punk, it doesn't carry much weight.
I wish ICMag enforced the age limit rule, I wouldn't have to contend with immature children like you.

Thank you for admitting that EVERYONE growing is breaking federal law. Now I openly encourage the NONOBSERVANCE of IMMORAL LAWS, by adult Americans in their own home.

I applaud you for breaking that federal law. I condemn you for pointing your finger at others and claiming they produce or smoke too much.

I left nothing out about you, I have tried to make my statements intentionally very black and white when it comes to you.

You claim the right to imprison someone if the didn't take their 24 plants down to 4 like a good little owl, but HYPOCRITICALLY you don't recognize the Federal Governments claimed right to imprision YOU for ONE plant.

See that is it, I am not a hypocrite. I smoke and grow therefore I condemn no other smoker or grower; You however do condemn and therefore you are evil, not simply for condemning but for wrapping your condemnation in a blanket of virtue.

"I'm not breaking any laws"
"I am responsible"
"I only produce for self consumption"
"Is that not the abuses being spoken of regarding individual needs"

These are your evil statements trying to justify your greedy lust for power and judgement. As for my age sir I am qualified by age and birth to hold ANY US Constitutionally created office.

The mere fact that you can not justify your collectivist evil philosophy does not mean I am a 17 year old. Remember I've slapped you around with my 2002 Overgrow photo in the past. I wish ICmag had a IQ minimum then I wouldn't have to deal with you

Peace,

 

[Hydrosun]

Gay marriage v. Marijuana

is a great example. I am not gay or married either, however none of my friends gay / straight, married / single; want to imprison me for growing weed. And I don't want to imprison anyone for being married or not and I feel it is none of the governments business who marries who.

What is so wrong with allowing everyone the full measure of natural rights? I disagree with you that cow towing to curbed rights is the way to go. Ghandi had ZERO right to salt and he walked to the waters edge and harvested it in violation of the law with a following of tens of thousands. We sit on the internet and post in quasi annomity. ICmag growers showing off a track home or back yard are not extremists, and track home and backyard gardens are NOT taking anything away from ANY group I want to be a part of.

In fact I challenge you to back up your statement in regards to ICmagers growing on their own land. How are they extremists who "TAKE with out regard for the group"?

Peace,

 

[MrBomDiggitty]

I dunno why I keep getting into this, but...

You can break the laws yourself and be the righteous crusader you believe yourself to be... and deal with the real life consequences associated with your make believe ideals.

Or you can let the new laws break the old laws can follow the new laws as they break old, unjust laws.

 

[Skip]

Look at Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Rosa Parks. These individuals achieved greatness for the whole of the group of their people because they tried to stay within the constraints of the system, barely crossing legal lines.

Look up the term "Civil Disobedience". It's about breaking the law, not kowtowing to it. That is what MLK and Gandhi were doing to change the law. If a law is unjust you must BREAK it to change it.

And these ppl BROKE THE LAWS in the most public way, encouraging others to do so. And the people followed them by the thousands...

And then we got CIVIL RIGHTS, which is exactly what this is about, a CIVIL RIGHT, not criminal activity!

It's time for a change, brothers and sisters, and the time is NOW!

Civil disobedience is the active refusal to obey certain laws, demands and commands of a government, or of an occupying international power. It is one of the primary methods of nonviolent resistance. In its most nonviolent form (in India, known as ahimsa or satyagraha) it could be said that it is compassion in the form of respectful disagreement.

FYI, I have been practicing ahimsa since before I even knew what it was...

 

[MrBomDiggitty]

Gay marriage v. Marijuana

is a great example. I am not gay or married either, however none of my friends gay / straight, married / single; want to imprison me for growing weed. And I don't want to imprison anyone for being married or not and I feel it is none of the governments business who marries who.

What is so wrong with allowing everyone the full measure of natural rights? I disagree with you that cow towing to curbed rights is the way to go. Ghandi had ZERO right to salt and he walked to the waters edge and harvested it in violation of the law with a following of tens of thousands. We sit on the internet and post in quasi annomity. ICmag growers showing off a track home or back yard are not extremists, and track home and backyard gardens are NOT taking anything away from ANY group I want to be a part of.

In fact I challenge you to back up your statement in regards to ICmagers growing on their own land. How are they extremists who "TAKE with out regard for the group"?

Peace,

Okay, your friends don't want to imprison you. Your neighbors probably don't really care. Even the judge that puts you behind bars probably tokes it up after work. But the law is the law and the judge can't fight the law. Why give people a chance to screw you over because you believe things should be different?

Gandhi had ZERO right to harvest salt, yes. Gandhi also had a following of thousands.

Rosa Parks had ZERO right to sit at the front of the bus, but Martin Luther King gathered thousands to protest, peacefully and without breaking any laws.

ICmag users have ZERO right to photograph their face, publish their name, or show any excessively identifying information. It is against the TOU and your information will be considered in violation.

If you want to publish your pictures with your face with your address, who knows what will happen. Maybe you'll be the next Rosa or Gandhi? Doubt it, but maybe.

If every single ICmag user published pictures with face, address... and every user showed up to every user's court date trial for support, then maybe you really would have a movement on your hands.

But as long as we as a group are "anonymous" then we are helpless to assist our fellow growers when the shit hits the fan...

All we get is the book

 

[Owl Mirror]

why does it have to become personal when this a message board with info for everyone.

its like the pot calling the kettle black around here (owl/hydro)

Yes, I am sorry this continues to occur.
Unfortunately I do not sit quiet while someone brands me EVIL and an enemy of every poster on this board or throughout this country.
You hit the nail on the head when you spoke of conducting yourself LEGALLY under State Law. It is those who will abuse this position, grow far more than they can individually consume and, sell their State-sanctioned medicine to the illegal market for profit.
Hydrosun keeps insinuating I desire to have people arrested, claiming I am an undercover cop, etc...
Just because I desire everyone associated with the Medical Marijuana Community to conduct themselves honestly and openly, not violate the current laws regarding diversion of product, I am labeled "the enemy".

It's good to know who the real advocates are for sane marijuana laws and who is a pure anarchist, unwilling to abide by Social standard, norms and civility.

 

[MrBomDiggitty]

Look up the term "Civil Disobedience". It's about breaking the law, not kowtowing to it. That is what MLK and Gandhi were doing to change the law. If a law is unjust you must BREAK it to change it.

And these ppl BROKE THE LAWS in the most public way, encouraging others to do so. And the people followed them by the thousands...

And then we got CIVIL RIGHTS, which is exactly what this is about, a CIVIL RIGHT, not criminal activity!

It's time for a change, brothers and sisters, and the time is NOW!



FYI, I have been practicing ahimsa since before I even knew what it was...

I can agree with you, Skip. But there was a public name and a public display of disobedience to support. We are anonymous and therefore recieve no public support. No public display of encouragement.

Martin Luther King staged sit ins where colored and white people alike sat in places for "whites only" and MLK instructed his followers to be non violent. To allow "the man" to arrest them, beat them, shoot high pressure streams of water from hydrants at them. He encouraged followers to break the unjust law of segregation without breaking other just laws.

Look at Eddy Lepp, in jail for how many plants? He was a public name who could have served as a great figure for change if he was incarcerated for reasonable limits. He was way beyond anything reasonable.

You can't match unjust, unreasonable laws with poorly thought out and followed through actions.

 

[Hydrosun]

I do not sit quiet while someone brands me EVIL and an enemy of every poster on this board or throughout this country.
It is those who will abuse this position, grow far more than they can individually consume and, sell their State-sanctioned medicine to the illegal market for profit.

Hydrosun keeps insinuating I desire to have people arrested, claiming I am an undercover cop, etc...

Just because I desire everyone associated with the Medical Marijuana Community to conduct themselves honestly and openly, not violate the current laws regarding diversion of product, I am labeled "the enemy".

It's good to know who the real advocates are for sane marijuana laws and who is a pure anarchist, unwilling to abide by Social standard, norms and civility.

So OM all the Americans in non-med states can just go pack sand? And every rec user in the country needs to be imprisoned because they participate in the ILLEGAL MARKET?

And you want ICmager's to respect state laws, but you can make ZERO argument to back up your infringement on ICmager's liberty to grow.

You are the enemy, but not a very compelling or challenging adversary.

The noms of civility and the social standards in my life are such that any ICmager may grow and smoke as much as they would like. Your moral / philosophical view is evil and hopefully will not be the social norm in the USA for long.

Peace,

 

[MrBomDiggitty]

Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks were black citizens in a white America. There's no makeup good enough to hide that.

Gandhi was an Indian in the British colony of India. There was no way Gandhi and his thousands of followers could cover up his identity.

The vast majority of marijuana growers and even most users are anonymous and careful not to reveal their identity to the public.

The greatest adversity to the legality of marijuana cultivation and use is the fact that the supporters of such a movement remain "safe" as long as they do not expose themselves, creating a HUGE roadblock to any movement gaining any significant momentum.

By having a quasi-legal state of legality, it allows growers and users to slowly become public statistics without seriously compromising their security and personal safety.

By suggesting individuals have no regard for the law and the wantonly break it, you are openly supporting those laws and the rights of others to enforce them.

-For example, JoSchmo in California grows 6 plants, makes it known to the world what he believes: Growing Marijuana is his Right. JoSchmo gets busted, loses his 6 plants, eq, some bail money, goes to court, wins case, no need for lawyer, no fines paid, eq returned.

-In contrast, JonShmon in Kentucky grows 99 plants, makes it known to the world what he believes: OVERGROW THE WORLD. JonShmon gets busted, loses 99 plants, all valuables/cash seized, loses $7000 cash, equipment confiscated, bail money, goes to court, loses case, pays lawyer, pays fines, does time, placed on probation/parole.

So lets see here, the guy cow towing to the laws barely gave anything up to the system, the guy OVERGROWing the world just handed over more than $20,000 and served time of his life (in jail/dealing with bullshit).

Who thinks the guy OVERGROWing the world did more to help the Cannabis Movement than the guy cow towing to the laws? I'm curious.

 

[Skip]

I can agree with you, Skip. But there was a public name and a public display of disobedience to support. We are anonymous and therefore recieve no public support. No public display of encouragement.

Martin Luther King staged sit ins where colored and white people alike sat in places for "whites only" and MLK instructed his followers to be non violent. To allow "the man" to arrest them, beat them, shoot high pressure streams of water from hydrants at them. He encouraged followers to break the unjust law of segregation without breaking other just laws.

Look at Eddy Lepp, in jail for how many plants? He was a public name who could have served as a great figure for change if he was incarcerated for reasonable limits. He was way beyond anything reasonable.

You can't match unjust, unreasonable laws with poorly thought out and followed through actions.

You are missing the point here. Times have changed. Technology has changed. People's communication habits have changed. The whole playing field is different now.

What worked before WON'T work now. Did you see Americans try to protest the US going to war in Iraq? Even though so many opposed it, you cannot publicly protest in America without traumatic consequences including extended incarceration without charge.

So now we don't need to stage a sit-in. We don't need to get on TV to show our plight (although some shows have covered it).

We have other, far more effective means of communication.

Plus we now know who our enemies are in this war. The media is defecting to our side because they see the NUMBERS we have. Yes, the media knows far better how big our numbers are than even our government. Kelloggs got to find out the hard way.

The enemies are those who oppose cannabis for whatever reasons. They are Corporations & the DEA & Special Interest groups. We have no need to beg our politicians to change the laws anymore. We can change our own laws (at least in Calif). And we can "attack" these specific corporations where it hurts, it their profits!

If we can establish a firm block of canna based boycotts, we will show our power to all those who oppose us. We can UNITE, and thanks to this organized opposition we can identify the "enemy" far easier.

And guess what? Boycotting doesn't break ANY LAW! Encouraging others to boycott doesn't break any law! So we can harm our enemies with putting ourselves at risk.

As far as Eddy Lepp goes, he was a complete scapegoat. Sure he organized the grow on his land, but there were hundreds of others who RISKED THEIR FREEDOM too!!! Don't ever forget that.

Those ppl signed their names to documents acknowledging that part of Eddy's grow was for them. But the Feds refused to allow that evidence. They would've had to try hundreds of people and it would've been a media circus. But the FEDS write the rules and they can make Eddy into a scapegoat.

But those hundreds who stood behind Eddy are not forgotten either. They should all be demanding his freedom as he is in jail for them and for all of us!!!

FREE EDDY LEPP NOW! OR WE WILL MAKE HIM INTO A MARTYR FOR THE CAUSE!

 

[johnnyla]

Discussion with my doc went like this:

Doc: "How much you use a week?"

Me: "At least an ounce to smoke and a lot of butter"

Doc: " So I'll put down 10 lbs a year"

Me: " I am concerned that I may lose my house and have to move into an apartment"

Doc: " I better put down 20 lbs"

hey bro i sent you a PM for a referral to your doc. can you respond?