Hands up if vert is giving you 1gpw+ regularly

[~Shhh~]

care to expand upon that at all boo420?

MJ-IN-BLOOM I'm gonna have a trawl through your thread over there. I forgot about that forum... I am more interested in SOG, at the moment, as this is what seems to be producing the high gpw figures.... plus uses less energy to achieve it... Saying that I have just seen krunchbubbles thread here where he is using 16 plants with 3000w vert and still producing good figures. I got my eye on that one...

 

[MJ-IN-BLOOM]

care to expand upon that at all boo420?

MJ-IN-BLOOM I'm gonna have a trawl through your thread over there. I forgot about that forum... I am more interested in SOG, at the moment, as this is what seems to be producing the high gpw figures.... plus uses less energy to achieve it... Saying that I have just seen krunchbubbles thread here where he is using 16 plants with 3000w vert and still producing good figures. I got my eye on that one...

yea, i understand you wanting to go with the larger numbers. I chose to go with the low plant numbers due to the unability to aquire a large number of babies. I still beleive this system will compete with the larger plant number setups tho. Kinda like krunchbubbles i feel like the yield potential is there.

I feel like the method i run is good for newbs who want to manage a large production garden cheaply and efficiently. Also it dosnt require 60+ girls to fill her up.

If having tens and tens of plants was legal then i would probably want to go with larger plant numbers too.

 

[2fast4u2]

yeah, well as along as you are actually utilizing that light, and arranging your plants to take in most of the rays, then im sure you did.

Seen a few vert grows where there was space between the plants where light was escaping, this wastes light. With a screen, you should barely be able to see the light under all the foliage, this is how i would assume you get higher numbers, since no lumens would be lost.

 

[VerdantGreen]

im still amazed people grow horizontal, how much easier is it to get that your wasteing alot of light growing horizontal as well as useable space?

sorry, but this kind of shit makes me laugh. why dont you go and check out my diary and tell me where i'm wasting light?

i also get around 1.5 gpw with horizontal. you just need to do it right.

 

[2fast4u2]

i agree, growing horizontally is all ive ever done, and you can achieve big numbers given the strain and a little training, or even scrog or sog works great for big numbers.

Im just building a small vert setup to test the theory. According the mathematics of it, vert is better for yields. I just think you really gotta veg, or train a scrog screen or use high plant numbers if you want to yield big on horizontal grows.

 

[VerdantGreen]

yeah im interested in vert or any method that might increase efficiency but to speek as though vert renders all other methods obsolete is just bollocks

V.

 

[B00420]

care to expand upon that at all boo420?

Well, there are lots of genetics, im sure this site can help people choose good yielders. I've personally been growing Jack the Ripper for the past 5 years or so...

As far as equipment, I use Radiant 8"s...far superior light output than all the other hoods I tested a few years back. The only hood to come close was the Super Sun 2 but it didnt spread the light as good to the perimeter when the light was real close to the canopy. I use 240v Lumateks and 600w Agro Sun bulbs. I've used Eye Hort's as well but have to drop the reflectors down lower to get the same light output (although supposedly the spectrum is better), I think Lumatek dials in their ballasts to run generic HPS bulbs or something because those agro sun bulbs just burn way brighter than any special HPS bulb I've seen. Bulbs like the Eye Hort wopuld prolly be better for low cielings, I suppose. Anyways a light meter is key with this setup because the lights are so much brighter than usual...takes quite a few runs to really find out what light intensities work best for different stages of growth. During veg I prefer to give them just a bit more than what they probably would look perfect under....seems to get me heartier plants than the ones with zero light stress during veg. Early flower I give them about 8k lumens/sq ft by 3 weeks in they are at 10-12 at the tallest branches directly under the bulb...weeks 4-5 the absolute tallest right under the center arte prolly up to 15k or more, which does damage the buds, but mainly only the ones right there, just the top few inches....well worth the light penetration im getting throughout the rest of the plant, especially with those radiant hoods spreading so much light out to the perimeter of my plant. By 6 weeks probably 15% of my plants have a single bud touching my reflector's glass, another 15% have a single bud within an inch of the glass, and the rest of the plants tallest buds are between 3-6 inches from the glass. Whats funny is that during flower I have to use a cycle timer to turn my air cooling off and on so my A/C's will run more to eat up the humidity in my room. 1 minute on and 10 minutes off....that glass has to be super hot but oh well Like I said a few damaged buds but a lot more good buds on the rest of the plant. All this is with CO2 in flower, no CO2 in veg. For some reason CO2 in veg has been almost killing my plants for the past 2 years and I havent been able to figure out why.

Anyways....with the above light setup and a light meter, I get about 1.1 gpw overall from DWC buckets, non recirculating (ugh what a pain in the ass)....and in my main systems, which is a far superior system for large plants than anything I've seen anywhere in person or on the internet I average 1.5 (homemade aero/NFT hybrid system with less work or maintenance than anything I've seen) ...However, this is with limiting factors, such as restricted plant space for each plant, and the CO2 problem I mentioned above. If I increased my plants space from 3'x3' to either 3.5'x3.5' or 4'x4' Im sure I would get a nice yield increase. I know for a fact if I could figure out what the fuck is wrong with my CO2 in veg, I could probably average close to 2gpw. I've just about given up on figuring it out though, I've tried everything, and honestly almost dont even care anymore. What I'm doing now works good enough.

 

[VerdantGreen]

good post BOO420

ive got a jtr that im running for the first time - nice to know it is a decent yielder - i always pick strains for quality rather than yield but ive never yet got less then 1gpw. my best is 1.6 gpw

for the record that is with organic soil, no co2.

cheers

V.

 

[B00420]

It's an excellent yielder from my experience. My best yielding plant of JTR was 2lbs 9.5oz under a 600w hps in a 3'x4' space, and it's excellent quality. Pretty much everyone's favorite strain in my extended circle for the past 4 or 5 years. Very unique flavor. Doesn't really start putting on any weight till 5 and a half weeks into flower...I usually let her go till 8.5-9weeks.

 

[hilbie]

sorry, but this kind of shit makes me laugh. why dont you go and check out my diary and tell me where i'm wasting light?

i also get around 1.5 gpw with horizontal. you just need to do it right.

with a vertical circular grow u can do it right on 3 more sides of your room, not all equal but u do have roughly 3 more sides of useable space do u not in a vertical compared to a horizontal?..

and one bulb or even a lesser watt bulb then u currently run can out yeild your horizontal for sure. do what u want, but useing light n space most efficiently this method cant be beat, if your getting 1.6 gpw in a perfect scrogged to perfection run and a newbie is getting that first try should tell u something.

 

[LJB]

When stacking two bare bulbs in a vertical grow (not shelves, I'm talking only one level of plants) it's best practice not to top the plants. Obviously one wants them to fill out the height of the alloted growing area.

I made that mistake, but I think this plant might show that topping will work nicely for a single bulb vertical grow.

Certainly the largest plant I've grown indoors. 3 feet tall, 4 feet wide, fresh weight = 1568 grams

The grow space is 4' x 4' x 6' and this beast took up about 25% of the space for six plants in this particular grow.

It was my third vertical run - total yield is probably going to be just about 2.4 lb (.9 gpw) with two 600w HPS lamps. 100% coco, 3 gallon containers, a very short veg time - they were flowered at 12" tall which is I made the decision in the first place to top them. In bloom they were top drip fed to a little bit of waste.

 

[LJB]

When stacking two bare bulbs in a vertical grow (not shelves, I'm talking only one level of plants) it's best practice not to top the plants. Obviously one wants them to fill out the height of the alloted growing area.

I made that mistake, but I think this plant might show that topping will work nicely for a single bulb vertical grow.

Certainly the largest plant I've grown indoors. 3 feet tall, 4 feet wide, gross fresh weight = 1568 grams

The grow space is 4' x 4' x 6' and this beast took up about 25% of the space for six plants in this particular grow.

It was my third vertical run - total yield is probably going to be just about 2.4 lb (.9 gpw) with two 600w HPS lamps. 100% coco, 3 gallon containers, a very short veg time - they were flowered at 12" tall which is I made the decision in the first place to top them. In bloom they were top drip fed to a little bit of waste.

Well it turns out that plant #6 from this room is just about the same size as this previous giant, so I think the total dry weight is going to be closer to 1200 grams, just about a 1g / w from 6 plants in total and that was a with a short veg time with cuttings.

 

[00420]

started cutting day 68 finished day 71 of flower....
10-15 days rooting 5-10 day veg
2k = 4-6 p's strain depinding
90 plants

 

[Mr Celsius]

started cutting day 68 finished day 71 of flower....
10-15 days rooting 5-10 day veg
2k = 4-6 p's strain depinding
90 plants

Hey 00420, what strain you running mostly? Also whats the spacing on the colli to get 90?

Fuck man, I wish I had 5 grand to spend on one of those.... : (

 

[00420]

Hey 00420, what strain you running mostly? Also whats the spacing on the colli to get 90?

Fuck man, I wish I had 5 grand to spend on one of those.... : (

i run mostly grape ape.... ( it takes more veg ) but i have ran 100's of strains..... the pic is of jacks cleaner...... witch yeild about 2.5 each side

the coli take's up 6 x 6....
each 60 site is 16" tall..... im using 3 so im 48" on the H .....
i plant every other site to keep plant #'s down
5g's is for a full unit and would get u 8-12 pounds
i did not buy a rez or the pump i dtw so it was much cheaper.... i think im in it 2500 including light's cool tube's ect.....
i hand water cuz i run multi strains and flush at dif time' when i cut one i replant one..... simple eazy other then there kinda big

 

[Mr Celsius]

i run mostly grape ape.... ( it takes more veg ) but i have ran 100's of strains..... the pic is of jacks cleaner...... witch yeild about 2.5 each side

the coli take's up 6 x 6....
each 60 site is 16" tall..... im using 3 so im 48" on the H .....
i plant every other site to keep plant #'s down
5g's is for a full unit and would get u 8-12 pounds
i did not buy a rez or the pump i dtw so it was much cheaper.... i think im in it 2500 including light's cool tube's ect.....
i hand water cuz i run multi strains and flush at dif time' when i cut one i replant one..... simple eazy other then there kinda big

Ok, you got me all horny for one of these now... god damnit. HAHA

So you gotta break it down for me or link me to a journal where you've done it already.

So by 60 sites you mean all 360 degrees is 60 sites? Or each side is 60 sites? The math says that the whole 360 degrees is 60 sites.

How tall can you take em? How many lights would you use when they're at their maximum height? Do you use Co2? What medium do you use? In Nor Cal, wheres the best place to pick em up?

Thats all I need to know.

Appreciate all the help.

 

[Macster2]

Well it's hard for me to believe that the light radiating from the upper hemisphere of my bulb magically disappears instead of at least significantly reflecting down below. That would be one thought.

I mean don't get me wrong, I'm in this forum because I'm interested in changing over. But that doesn't mean that there isn't plenty of reasons to grow horizontally. Just remember there is never a best way to do anything.

The point is with a vertical there is much more space in which a much larger number of plants can be in close proximity to the light then could be obtained with a horizontal grow.This is why I think a large number of plants with a minimal veg period is how to maximize effiency.After all who cares if you get 2 grams per watt if you veg for 3 months to get there.
If your measuring efficency (gpw) surly how many crops per annum is a huge factor as well.

 

[LJB]

I mean don't get me wrong, I'm in this forum because I'm interested in changing over. But that doesn't mean that there isn't plenty of reasons to grow horizontally. Just remember there is never a best way to do anything.

the post you were responding to was crazy. I now have two grow rooms, which is a nice luxury to have. One vertical room for the tall and big sat. dominant plants and one horizontal room for the shorties.

 

[Mr Celsius]

Ok, imagine this.

You have 2 - 1000HPS over 1 4x8 table, now turn that 4x8 vertical, lenthwise, then put 3 more 4x8's around the bulb to create a box.

See how you're gonna get more?

 

[Macster2]

Oh I certainly understand the theory. I wanted to go this route a year ago but I want to go hydro and that's a little harder to do