Nute Deficiency/Lockout help Please

[Bushboy65]

Hello all,

ok I feel like a real newb here . I am switching from hydro to organic and have grown in dirt with chem nutes before, but I need some help here with the organics please.

I used LC mix #2 with nute mix 1 (blood, bone, etc.). I water with de chlorinated tap water (used straight from tap for hydro no probs), with ewc mixed in to water. I mixed up a batch of 40 gallons of dirt, let it sit (maybe not long/moist enough?), and used 1/2 of it, so I still have 1/2 left and would also like to get into reusing the base if I can figure this out.

I have this deficiency showing up. I think it is mg lockout, but I used the proper? dolomite (pwdred) lime. I grew my girl out from clone, Timing seemed a couple of weeks short compred to Hydro, but she was flipped sooner than I normally do so...weight was acceptable, it seemed like the resin glands were not as full, although taste, smell, and potency were still acceptable to good. Overall I was happy with the first attempt, BUT..

I cannot figure this out. These are reveg so I can clone her, but the originals did the same thing.

I thought I did not water enough, but from what I read one should let the mix dry out somewhat between waterings. The new growth comes through ok (maybe a little lighter green than I would like), but soon shows this yellowing.

Any Thoughts?

 

[guest2012y]

One time when I watered with nearly frozen rain water the leaves grew out a band of damaged tissue much like that. Temp. can throw off a Ph,in my case 39 degree water into a 79 degree pot.........But in this case if you are following the recommended soil mixes here.....I just can't say. Give it a moment and someone will most likely know what's up here.

 

[optic sizzle]

describe your compost.

I ask, because hydro guys switching over rarely start with a compost pile or worm bin. it's usually dead stuff from a bag, which I wouldn't trust as far as could throw.

Good compost slurry or tea from fresh, well made compost would be my first bet. it fixes 90% of things that can be fixed by adding something.

 

[BurnOne]

You may be seeing nitrogen burn. Recipe #1 is pretty hot. Keep the soil moist. Dolomite only works when it's wet. I bet they recover in a few days.
Go back and check to make sure you followed the directions exactly. This is usually the easiest method to use.
Burn1

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

Looks like they were recently repotted into those containers? Hard to tell from the pics, but I'm thinking they don't have roots througout the mix yet, and need to be allowed to dry some between waterings until the roots grow down some more. The look of over-N burn could be just lack of O2 at the roots from 'big pot small plant' combination and too frequent waterings.

 

[jaykush]

get some high quality wormcastings ( preferably homemade ) and top dress next time you water. but be aware of what mr greengenes says though, small plant + big pot + lots of water can mess the soils balance up sometimes.

 

[optic sizzle]

Jay, that's a very nice signature.

 

[Bushboy65]

Hi All

Thanks for stopping in.

I guess I'm gonna have to try a couple of things eh?

Temps could be an issue. My troughs were 3' off the floor so there may be a temp issue at floor level. Thanks Capt Cheeze

I wondered obout the mix being to hot when this first showed up as I had only let the mix sit 3 weeks. I also wondered whether or not I had enough moisture in the mix while it was sitting. I'm thinking the obvious thing to do is mix all fresh just in case I messed up last time and spread this round of mix on the garden. The only thing about the mix being to hot is these pics are of revegged plants so the mix has been used for 9 weeks so far. It's just that the revegetation is showing the exact same thing happening as happened in the grow.

Save the plant, clone her and start again...good advice. Thanks again B1.

Thanks for the input Mr. G. I do tend to keep them on the dry side, but was wondering if that was appropriate in organic mixes. I've been growing this girl in water (Hydro)for 3 years so maybe she likes to be wet?

Hi jaykush. wow I've read a few pages worth of poststs from yourself and others over the past few months (crappy internet connection permitting) and am inspired by this organic mix idea. I would like to 'grow my own' ewc for sure, but need to get heat in my shop. Not allowed to grow worms in the house...I guess there are some limits lol. Maybe I should prune the roots on the regenerated stumps? I only want o pull a couple of clones for the next mom, but maybe I should mom the regeneration. hmmmm. Thanks for the advice.

 

[jaykush]

how cold does your shop get? i keep my worms outside under cover of rain. it gets cold outside and they still keep on going. not as fast as summer but still decomposing.

quality castings are a great way to put "balance" back into your soil.

if your switching from hydro, give it a few rounds. its quite the opposite way of growing. and sometimes takes a little getting used to with letting nature do most of the hard work.

 

[Bushboy65]

-40 lol. I have earthworms in the garden, but they burrow way the heck down for the winter. They don't seem to lively until the soil temp is at least +5 or so. oh well maybe next year. I found my current ewc at a longstanding, reputable organic/heirloom gardening store in the city so I'm hoping the quality is there.

I get you on the give it a fair shake. I have supplies to mix up a couple of rounds yet (you stock up when you live in the middle of nowhere lol). I guess the lazy part of me was hoping to salvage this mix as I have an entire second round of mix just waiting, but it won't hurt the garden any to throw it on. I definately want to make this work as the whole concept will make my life much easier as we grow a lot of indoor houseplants etc. Long winters up here so I am wanting to garden a bit indoors as well.

 

[optic sizzle]

I heat my worm bin with bokashi. Free heat. In the summer I feed less more often.

Some use a heater. But really you just have to prevent freezing.

 

[jaykush]

wow -40 lol. i guess not haha. best of luck on making it work.

 

[optic sizzle]

Bokashi won't work at -40 lol. Nor will a heater. That's frozen balaclava weather.

But inside, wormless - layer bokashi with dirt in big pots. If you pay for trash hauling it will reward you.

Slip in some redworms and outside soil when she ain't lookin.

 

[wuzzenme]

Hello Bushboy. I had the same problem using the same mix several weeks ago. Looked just like yours. I attributed it to nute burn due to the hot LC mix. I bet it clears up. Good luck

 

[Bushboy65]

Thanks jaykush

Hi wuzzenme. Ya, that's 3 votes for a hot mix (incl. mine). I guess I need to reread some.

If the mix is to hot, will it improve with sitting idle. The second half of my mix has been sitting in a bin for 3 months- 1 at +10, 1 @ -10, 1@-25 and then 1 inside, remoistened, at +15 (all celcius).

Or should I just bite the bullet and start fresh.

 

[Bushboy65]

I didn't grab a pic, but after this was harvested prior/during reveg some weed seeds sprouted in the mix alongside the reveg. they are growing well, dark green. I noticed that when the mix dried out the weed leaves exhibited similar deficienceies to the ganja, but the vegetation recovered when well watered. The flowering weed is acting like the ganja did in that the flowers don't seem to be fully developing and the plant appears to be finishing early.

Edit: some weed sprouts did burn right up. that was during a dry spell.

 

[wuzzenme]

From my experience you dont need to change anything. They should settle in just fine. Just water as needed. No feeding for a while. The tender plants should adjust to the hotter mix and be OK, IMO

 

[Bushboy65]

I know this is premature,but I wanted to follow up on this thread as I only found two vague references to my question when I was reading. Hopefully this may help someone in th future.

Thanks Wuzzenme.

I think you folk are steering me in the right direction with the hot mix/not enough water idea. I started watering more deeply before I posted this. So far I have watered to roughly 5% runoff 3 times over 8 days. Before and through the first run I was using probably 25-30% less water. Now I wait til the top feels just moist and the pot feels just a little heavier than the dried out pot. The plants seem to be responding well and are holding their green longer. I'll throw up a pic later today.

Just in case anyone else has some input I should clarify that these are revegged. They have already done one run and I was just wanting to grab a set of clones. Also I didn't feed at all. I just watered withither water or water/ewc. I thought that mix 2 + fert routine 1 (bone/blood, etc) was all inclusive. Was this wrong?

Thanks again for all the help everyone.

Edit: So the unused mix I have sitting is going to be just as hot or will it mellow since it has been sitting in a bin for 3 months. Would you use it, thin it, or toss it?