rock202020
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How accurate are breeders listing on how long a plant takes to flower? Im curious because im seeing some seeds listed in the 45-55 range, such as most of BOG's strains. That seems awfully quick doesnt it?
Listed length of flowering
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mikeross
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I agree... A lot of it is marketing but there are many breeders which are honest in their expected flowering times, Simon from serious seeds come to mind. From experience his white russian and ak are pretty spot on for expected time. Of course their are those longer stavia leaning pheno's in every pack but those are to be expected.
I always chop when the plant tells me its time... A jewelers eye is a must. I usually harvest my WR at 50/50 tric color but my ak's come down a little later, more like 65/35 amber to clear.
Ya most people believe that OG kush should be taken at 8 weeks. Reality is it should be taken 10-11 weeks for optimal potency and harvest.
I speak only for myself and my own experience, but in my experience any plant, no matter indica or sativa (that I've grown or my friends) was better taken a little later than early.
A LOT of people harvest early, A LOT. I've never seen anything finish in under 60 days, and never anything that wasn't still better at 67 - 70 than it was at 60 UNLESS you grow hydro or aero. I have seen a hydro grow for clones that was ready at 57 or so every time.
In soil my experience has shown the wait is well worth it. I flowered NL X SK for 76 days and it's still heady as f#$k - seriously.
A LOT of people harvest early, A LOT. I've never seen anything finish in under 60 days, and never anything that wasn't still better at 67 - 70 than it was at 60 UNLESS you grow hydro or aero. I have seen a hydro grow for clones that was ready at 57 or so every time.
In soil my experience has shown the wait is well worth it. I flowered NL X SK for 76 days and it's still heady as f#$k - seriously.
I think a lot of it has to do with how people calculate when flowering starts. Some people count from the first day of 12/12 flip and others (such as myself) start counting days when pistils become visible. That difference right there can add or subtract weeks from your flowering time so I think it really depends on how you define beginning of flowering.
on top of that it may just be the keeper pheno that finishes early.... the strains my finished different times on different pheno's. The days are more of a rough guidline then reality...
Chem&M
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You know, this was something that had me so confused when I first started. Of course, at the time knowing nothing, I figured that was time from seed but quickly realized how wrong I was. Now I count from pistils, but even then it's just for personal logs. Numbers mean nothing aside from an aproximation to me. It's all about the jewelers loop.
It's a shame seeing people chop things too early.
Flowering immature seedplants is different to flowering seedplants that received a nice 2 month veg prior to flowering.
Flowering clones from immature moms is also different to flowering clones from mature mothers
A clone taken off by a mother that is mature enough should flower as fast as possible.
Don't forget lighting intensity can also affect flowering times, same plant under poor light will have a prolonged period of flowering
Im curious because im seeing some seeds listed in the 45-55 range, such as most of BOG's strains. That seems awfully quick doesnt it?
Regarding Bog listing his plants as 7-8week range , well..they are that fast for him
I ve seen how his clones look in flowering and yes they are super fast, some of his plant pics at 38 days 12/12 look almost done and have all-red pistils.
Bog uses mature seedplants/cuttings that are used as mothers , his clones that are used for flowering are receiving long veg periods as well and all this combined with the 1k lights is why the plants finish this fast.
If you try to grow same strain from seed (not clones) and give little veg time as well as work with lower wattage the flowering times will be longer like a week or two extra..
With strains like Bogs that are indicas these differences may not be really noticeable but when it comes to haze hybrids for example you can see that the differences can be in the range of several weeks.
Flowering clones from immature moms is also different to flowering clones from mature mothers
A clone taken off by a mother that is mature enough should flower as fast as possible.
Don't forget lighting intensity can also affect flowering times, same plant under poor light will have a prolonged period of flowering
Im curious because im seeing some seeds listed in the 45-55 range, such as most of BOG's strains. That seems awfully quick doesnt it?
Regarding Bog listing his plants as 7-8week range , well..they are that fast for him
I ve seen how his clones look in flowering and yes they are super fast, some of his plant pics at 38 days 12/12 look almost done and have all-red pistils.
Bog uses mature seedplants/cuttings that are used as mothers , his clones that are used for flowering are receiving long veg periods as well and all this combined with the 1k lights is why the plants finish this fast.
If you try to grow same strain from seed (not clones) and give little veg time as well as work with lower wattage the flowering times will be longer like a week or two extra..
With strains like Bogs that are indicas these differences may not be really noticeable but when it comes to haze hybrids for example you can see that the differences can be in the range of several weeks.
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shadoweye976
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My take on this is that the advertised finish time is actually the finish time of the fastest pheno from clone.
Frankly, I find trying to follow finish times from seed is near impossible as nature tends not to do things "by the book"
The advertised times for me as just a rough guide as to when to start checking trics for maturation and on average I find about 7-10 days over the advertised time to be about right... the plants tell me when they're done
Frankly, I find trying to follow finish times from seed is near impossible as nature tends not to do things "by the book"
The advertised times for me as just a rough guide as to when to start checking trics for maturation and on average I find about 7-10 days over the advertised time to be about right... the plants tell me when they're done
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A quick question: Apparently there is a difference between outdoor and indoor. I'm not sure whether seed companies are basing it on one or the other. So...does indoor generally finish quicker than outdoor? Or is it vice verse?
I generally figure a week or two AFTER the stated flowering date. I note that the Mandala crew is supposed to be pretty spot on. I typically go by trichs and "gut" - I note that going by pistil hair could prove disastrously inaccurate. I had a NepJam by Ace that had many hairs -perhaps a majority- going red about 30 days. It was yo way not even close to being "done," however.
I generally figure a week or two AFTER the stated flowering date. I note that the Mandala crew is supposed to be pretty spot on. I typically go by trichs and "gut" - I note that going by pistil hair could prove disastrously inaccurate. I had a NepJam by Ace that had many hairs -perhaps a majority- going red about 30 days. It was yo way not even close to being "done," however.
Seed company times will be right if you grow their cut, in their setup, other than that, check the trichs
You know, this was something that had me so confused when I first started. Of course, at the time knowing nothing, I figured that was time from seed but quickly realized how wrong I was. Now I count from pistils, but even then it's just for personal logs. Numbers mean nothing aside from an aproximation to me. It's all about the jewelers loop.
It's a shame seeing people chop things too early.
Totally agree with you Chem, I don't even count days anymore there's no point, when they're done, they're done. But when I was counting I never started until there was obvious signs of flowering because I didn't want to lose potency chopping early
A general rule is the 40/60 rule.
40% of the flowering time is stretch, the other 60% is finishing developing flowers. So watch it stretch, then calculate what the 60% would be.
40% of the flowering time is stretch, the other 60% is finishing developing flowers. So watch it stretch, then calculate what the 60% would be.
