Day before yesterday I purchesed 4 clones from friend. Two of which appeared very healthy (in rockwool) standing 10" tall (white widow), the other 8"(black domina). After potting the the larger 2 (Super Silver Haze not rooted yet). I made the mistake of putting the widow under my 250MH too soon and she wilted like Elton John at a Peace Rally. My domina was fine overnight ( I thought) but looke far worse than the widow. The widow is at maybe 25% droop where the domina is at 50% droop. They were under a humidity dome with a small heating pad. I just don't get it. Any help please? Thank you all. Will post pics in my album shortly.
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Please save my BABIES!!!
- Thread starter paulcook
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4 rooted clones? Or just cuttings?
Why are they under a dome if they're rooted clones?
If they're 10 and 8 inches and rooted they should be fine under your 250 as long as you have distance between them and the bulb. how close were you?
You've repotted. Into what? Have you watered after repot? Think the new medium might be too hot?
Why are they under a dome if they're rooted clones?
If they're 10 and 8 inches and rooted they should be fine under your 250 as long as you have distance between them and the bulb. how close were you?
You've repotted. Into what? Have you watered after repot? Think the new medium might be too hot?
Update on the Babies...
Update on the Babies...
Sorry guys, here are the looong overdue pictures. . .
WhiteWidow.jpg BlackDomina.jpg
The two larger (WW & BD) were rooted when I put them into 4x4 pots (50%
Fox Farms Ocean, 30% Hydroton, and 20% per-lite/fine-fir bark)
I do agree with you that things got a bit too hot in there; both
within the dome and within the soil.
I have since removed the dome and heating pad.
The residual "flushing" of the chlorophyll surrounded by lateral-ventricular
"over-sized-pinhead" brown spots are most concerning, not to
mention their overall drooooooop.
With my limited grow space it is difficult to acclimate the rooted/
freshly potted plants under the MH. The first time I tried it just
drooped in a matter of 3-6 hours. Suggestions anyone?
I did raise my lamp up a bit as it was about 16" off the plant tops.
Do any of you know of any way to keep my soil cooler? It is always so dry And
this has been an annoyance for quite some time. I seem to get insufficient
watering quite often, as I will demonstrate.
For example: (Pardon my ASCII art, It's been a while....)
KEY:
(---- TopSoil) (~~~~ Soil after watering)
(+++++ Dry, impenetrable soil) (OOOO - Hydroton for drainage)
The problem is, after hand water, there always remains a layer of dry soil that
prevents the fresh water from penetrating to the deeper parts of the plant.
As I'm sure you can imagine, this is very frustrating and causing problems.
ANY suggestions/tips/techniques would help.
I do have friends that prefer cocoa husk to soil; would the problems I have be
less prevalent?
Thank you for all your help.
Update on the Babies...
Sorry guys, here are the looong overdue pictures. . .
WhiteWidow.jpg BlackDomina.jpg
The two larger (WW & BD) were rooted when I put them into 4x4 pots (50%
Fox Farms Ocean, 30% Hydroton, and 20% per-lite/fine-fir bark)
I do agree with you that things got a bit too hot in there; both
within the dome and within the soil.
I have since removed the dome and heating pad.
The residual "flushing" of the chlorophyll surrounded by lateral-ventricular
"over-sized-pinhead" brown spots are most concerning, not to
mention their overall drooooooop.
With my limited grow space it is difficult to acclimate the rooted/
freshly potted plants under the MH. The first time I tried it just
drooped in a matter of 3-6 hours. Suggestions anyone?
I did raise my lamp up a bit as it was about 16" off the plant tops.
Do any of you know of any way to keep my soil cooler? It is always so dry And
this has been an annoyance for quite some time. I seem to get insufficient
watering quite often, as I will demonstrate.
For example: (Pardon my ASCII art, It's been a while....)
KEY:
(---- TopSoil) (~~~~ Soil after watering)
(+++++ Dry, impenetrable soil) (OOOO - Hydroton for drainage)
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The problem is, after hand water, there always remains a layer of dry soil that
prevents the fresh water from penetrating to the deeper parts of the plant.
As I'm sure you can imagine, this is very frustrating and causing problems.
ANY suggestions/tips/techniques would help.
I do have friends that prefer cocoa husk to soil; would the problems I have be
less prevalent?
Thank you for all your help.
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dude they look like they need water to me,how heavy are the pots/moist is the soil?
idk what could have happened to make them do that in 1 day,unless ur temps are into the nineties or somethin yo...gl man cause that black domeina is the whipper if you have the right cut.ive been runnin mine since 04 and have never seen one look like that,or any other plant for that matter unless she was bone dry.
like i said gl.
peace-T-
idk what could have happened to make them do that in 1 day,unless ur temps are into the nineties or somethin yo...gl man cause that black domeina is the whipper if you have the right cut.ive been runnin mine since 04 and have never seen one look like that,or any other plant for that matter unless she was bone dry.
like i said gl.
peace-T-
they wil come back. make sure to give them 6 hours of dark, they be back in 4-7 days. leave them b, dont water anymore or anything if they already have all they need. my chocolopes do it all the time out of all my strains. the only thing you can do is spray them with an antitranspirant like "wilt stop". they wll recover twice as fast, d
Anima
Active member
You should wet down the soil/stir it up better before you transplant... That will eliminate your dry impenetrable soil problem...
Now that is already planted, you could leave the pot in a tray of water deep enough to reach the dry soil and let it wick it up.
My clones all get rooted in covered cups and they still need a dome for a day or so as they get acclimated to the lower humidity. I've lost clones llike this a few times. Just take it slow.
Now that is already planted, you could leave the pot in a tray of water deep enough to reach the dry soil and let it wick it up.
My clones all get rooted in covered cups and they still need a dome for a day or so as they get acclimated to the lower humidity. I've lost clones llike this a few times. Just take it slow.
It looks like you may also have a dry air problem. What is the relative humidity? In centrally heated homes, especially in winter, the air can get very dry - 20-25%. Add a move to bigger lights to that, and you're asking for trouble. Plants don't usually wilt if there is enough moisture in the air.
Also, what is your runoff EC and Ph?
Also, there is some purple on the stem of the fan leaf on the plant. That would be P lockout. Also, the yellow blotchy look at the dark green/blue tint of the leaves point to a deeper problem.
I think the first thing you should do is do an overhaul of your grow room. There is something drastic going on, and I would check the grow room and the soil.
Also, what is your runoff EC and Ph?
Also, there is some purple on the stem of the fan leaf on the plant. That would be P lockout. Also, the yellow blotchy look at the dark green/blue tint of the leaves point to a deeper problem.
I think the first thing you should do is do an overhaul of your grow room. There is something drastic going on, and I would check the grow room and the soil.
Wiidpha12meR
New member
Water slowly let it runn out bottom next day after till up top soil , thiswill allow it to dry 50% faster. Allow for soil to dry completly u can check by sqeezin g the bottom of pot and by how light the pot will. Be. Borderline wiltin g just as the leave start to droop, water.
Your plants got a little too dry and didn't adjust to life outside the dome real well. I don't know jack about growing in soil, so you can solve your watering problems with the dirt farmers. However, I do make clones for co-ops and have a bit of experience in that area.
First of all, before I tell you what to do, realize that when a cutting is in the process of growing roots, it has nothing to eat but itself. What the plants ate in your case are the larger leaves with the yellow spots and red stems. Listen carefully now - those leaves are going to die no matter what you do!!! The good news is, you don't care. They have served their purpose and will soon be replaced by new growth. Right now, the only thing those leaves are doing is weighing down your plants and making them droop more. You want to cut them off. I can see 3-4 leaves on each plant that need to go.
Then mist your plants a little. The one that is really drooping, push a chopstick or something similar into the dirt next to the plant and lean the plant against it so it's as straight up and down as you can get it with a little support.
Check the plants after 3-4 hours, you should see some marked improvement. You don't want to over do the misting thing, but if the plant looks like it is real dry, give it a little spritz.
Cut down on the light for a day or two. Maybe those plants should be able to take the 250, but the fact is they're not liking it, so you need to let them adjust a little more slowly.
Good luck!
PC
First of all, before I tell you what to do, realize that when a cutting is in the process of growing roots, it has nothing to eat but itself. What the plants ate in your case are the larger leaves with the yellow spots and red stems. Listen carefully now - those leaves are going to die no matter what you do!!! The good news is, you don't care. They have served their purpose and will soon be replaced by new growth. Right now, the only thing those leaves are doing is weighing down your plants and making them droop more. You want to cut them off. I can see 3-4 leaves on each plant that need to go.
Then mist your plants a little. The one that is really drooping, push a chopstick or something similar into the dirt next to the plant and lean the plant against it so it's as straight up and down as you can get it with a little support.
Check the plants after 3-4 hours, you should see some marked improvement. You don't want to over do the misting thing, but if the plant looks like it is real dry, give it a little spritz.
Cut down on the light for a day or two. Maybe those plants should be able to take the 250, but the fact is they're not liking it, so you need to let them adjust a little more slowly.
Good luck!
PC
Unfortunately, H2O appears to be the problem
Unfortunately, H2O appears to be the problem
After careful conscideration of all your posts, It seems that LACK of water is not the issue. The soil is moist, quite moist. The lateral edges of the leaves are beginning to curl under slightly. And white rootlets are visible through the rockwool, but its too hard to tell if its too much water or if the plant simply isn't absorbing enough throught the roots on its own.
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s for the "sleepy-time" method, will that really work?
Unfortunately, H2O appears to be the problem
After careful conscideration of all your posts, It seems that LACK of water is not the issue. The soil is moist, quite moist. The lateral edges of the leaves are beginning to curl under slightly. And white rootlets are visible through the rockwool, but its too hard to tell if its too much water or if the plant simply isn't absorbing enough throught the roots on its own.
A
s for the "sleepy-time" method, will that really work?
Paul, taking them out of the soil isn't going to accomplish much, I wouldn't think. You'd have to wash the dirt off of them and then the r/w cube would be soaked and the plants aren't in any condition to take any of the squeezing or shaking of the r/w cube you'd need to do to get it to the right degree of "moist". If you have too much water in your soil, that's a problem completely different from what is wrong with your plants now.
I get clones that do exactly what yours did on an infrequent but regular basis. What I do to save those clones is exactly what I told you to do. I'd put them back under a dome too, but I didn't mention it because they're potted and because you probably don't have a dome. (Just a wild guess on my part.)
That's the best I can tell you. Those tops can come right back and look fresh and strong by morning. Once you take care of that, then you can figure out the soil/medium thing.
PC
I get clones that do exactly what yours did on an infrequent but regular basis. What I do to save those clones is exactly what I told you to do. I'd put them back under a dome too, but I didn't mention it because they're potted and because you probably don't have a dome. (Just a wild guess on my part.)
That's the best I can tell you. Those tops can come right back and look fresh and strong by morning. Once you take care of that, then you can figure out the soil/medium thing.
PC
Actually, just the opposite is true. If possible he should put a dome over them for a day or two.
He may very well be headed for root rot, but that's not his immediate problem.
Man, I've made a lot of clones; leave it at that. Some clones just don't like any change in environment and react badly, just like his did. When that happens I clip them, mist them and up the humidity. If they're falling over I prop them up. If I just increased the light, I decrease it. Ninety times out of a hundred the plant will come back.
Anyhoo, it'll be interesting to hear what the OP did and what the results were. Maybe he'll come back and update the thread.
PC
Haha PharmaCan!
I will post the new pics in a half hour. Widow has responded well and I'm doing an hour under MH to see how she does, then probably back under the dome for a lil bit to keep her comfy. My domina on the otherhand looks, well . . . Pathetic. You should have seen her when I got her from my growers coopertive she was soooo lush and beautiful, big fans and healthy roots.
Sometimes I think I've got this dialed, but then again, it is ALWAYS something.
I will post the new pics in a half hour. Widow has responded well and I'm doing an hour under MH to see how she does, then probably back under the dome for a lil bit to keep her comfy. My domina on the otherhand looks, well . . . Pathetic. You should have seen her when I got her from my growers coopertive she was soooo lush and beautiful, big fans and healthy roots.
Sometimes I think I've got this dialed, but then again, it is ALWAYS something.
