The stinky future of Europe
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agreed. we have the second amendment. dont try that shit in the usa. we will fuck you up.
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It has everything to do with socialism. The government has the EU by the balls in all forms of society, way too many to list. The government that can provide you everything, can take it all way... as we are seeing in the EU. Much of the US economic crisis was government doing. (Loans forced upon banks, to consumers who could never qualify on their own, in the name of social justice yada yada, then when all these people started defaulting, and the securities based upon these loans tanked, the same progressives who forced banks to take the loans on blame the banks... its funny...)
The business model of the EU, alone, is a socialist hack-job. You'd better know it as a "progressive" hack job, that's the new nomenclature.
Capitalism is the only natural form of economy IMO. It is natural to be free. It's not always pretty. Nature isn't nice. Unfortunately, the US in only a pseudo-capitalist state now. More like a big soup bowl of corruption.
In every form of economy people suffer. What I believe it comes down to, is do you want natural markets to determine who these people are or the people in the Washington picking winners and losers? I personally choose nature over religion because people suck and I do the same with my economics. Collectively humans always choose group power over your own personal interests.
In every form of economy people suffer. What I believe it comes down to, is do you want natural markets to determine who these people are or the people in the Washington picking winners and losers? I personally choose nature over religion because people suck and I do the same with my economics. Collectively humans always choose group power over your own personal interests.
Keep it up Gramps and you will be branded as a conservative on this board. Let me tell you, you don't want that to happen. All the negative energy, the dirty looks in the chat rooms, people giving you guff about your grows, the inevitable trolls. So far, I'm the only conservative survivor and I'm not that great of a conservative. True, I'm a true diehard fiscal conservative, but when we get to social issues I kind of get off the tracks because I have never seen a case in 10,000 years of recorded history of "morals management" working in even a single case. We have had dope for at least that long, plus the world's oldest profession and "thou shalt not kill" has become "only kill who "we" tell you it is politically-acceptable to kill", so I'm not much of a social conservative.
Setting the issues of humor aside, capitalism gets messy because political theology gets mixed into the broth and that creates problems because the intention of all political parties is to manipulate the rest of the society so that the members of the political party can take advantage of the rest of the society in an economic manner. Whether it is our failed commercial banking system model, childish central banking system approach to monetary policy or the means we have chosen by which we currently pay the costs of governance (taxation), we have made choices that place one group of our citizens at an advantage over all others and this always creates a "bias" in the private-sector economy. A bias is an imbalance the economy treats as any other issue and the economy is not a cycle, it is a linear progression of events, so the economy will always seek to eliminate these wrinkles and return the economy to its status quo ante condition that allowed it to continue to expand. Economies naturally grow, it is the impact of Rational Choice Theory being carried out at all levels, at all times and by all participants that ensures this works. This is the unseen hand of capitalism at work. Capitalism works best when government doesn't put chains on the tires. You want to see how many jobs you can create and how much wealth the population can enjoy? Take the chains off the tires and let the car accelerate to its preferred pace. You hate the way government wastes money? Stop supporting a political system that continues to use the taxation method of generating revenue for government. Taxation didn't keep Rome afloat and that should tell you just how unreliable and obsolete the idea of taxation really is. The same is true with our approach to monetary policy; as long as the government is an endogenous variable to the order of the private-sector economy, monetary policy will almost always result in problems and massive failures (as we see today).
Love these threads on economics and capitalism... LOL
Setting the issues of humor aside, capitalism gets messy because political theology gets mixed into the broth and that creates problems because the intention of all political parties is to manipulate the rest of the society so that the members of the political party can take advantage of the rest of the society in an economic manner. Whether it is our failed commercial banking system model, childish central banking system approach to monetary policy or the means we have chosen by which we currently pay the costs of governance (taxation), we have made choices that place one group of our citizens at an advantage over all others and this always creates a "bias" in the private-sector economy. A bias is an imbalance the economy treats as any other issue and the economy is not a cycle, it is a linear progression of events, so the economy will always seek to eliminate these wrinkles and return the economy to its status quo ante condition that allowed it to continue to expand. Economies naturally grow, it is the impact of Rational Choice Theory being carried out at all levels, at all times and by all participants that ensures this works. This is the unseen hand of capitalism at work. Capitalism works best when government doesn't put chains on the tires. You want to see how many jobs you can create and how much wealth the population can enjoy? Take the chains off the tires and let the car accelerate to its preferred pace. You hate the way government wastes money? Stop supporting a political system that continues to use the taxation method of generating revenue for government. Taxation didn't keep Rome afloat and that should tell you just how unreliable and obsolete the idea of taxation really is. The same is true with our approach to monetary policy; as long as the government is an endogenous variable to the order of the private-sector economy, monetary policy will almost always result in problems and massive failures (as we see today).
Love these threads on economics and capitalism... LOL
LOL, I know I'm wearing a big hate me sign when I espouse conservative philosophy on these boards. Hopefully people see that I subscribe to neither of the two parties.
I'm pretty far away from conservative ideas when it comes to social issues too. Gay's should be able to get married IMO (ie. have the same civil union rights as heterosexuals) , for one example. The government has no business defining marriage. I believe the church and the state need to be further separated.
It's the partisan sheep who look at politics and the two parties with religious ferocity that have so much trouble maintaining civil political debate.
I'm pretty far away from conservative ideas when it comes to social issues too. Gay's should be able to get married IMO (ie. have the same civil union rights as heterosexuals) , for one example. The government has no business defining marriage. I believe the church and the state need to be further separated.
It's the partisan sheep who look at politics and the two parties with religious ferocity that have so much trouble maintaining civil political debate.
Conservatism is lumped with Republicanism. Republicans are hypocritical moral crusaders. This site is about freedom and love.
I can see why so many would be pushed away from conservatism. There is no one holding the banner.
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I know this is one doesn't have a chance. 
MPD no way are you the only conservative survivor
I consider myself a libertarian. Minimal government = minimal chance that things go horribly wrong. Maximum personal freedom..
Only on the government does fiscal sanity have to be imposed upon constantly! The free market will sort out the private sector. Only the government can fuck up and still get a paycheck for a job NOT done.
I consider myself a libertarian. Minimal government = minimal chance that things go horribly wrong. Maximum personal freedom..
Only on the government does fiscal sanity have to be imposed upon constantly! The free market will sort out the private sector. Only the government can fuck up and still get a paycheck for a job NOT done.
global government? yeah right, they are too dumb to run local governments right, how are they gonna do it efficiently enough to actually accomplish it globally?
what we are getting is global bureaucracy and idiocy though, I dunno which of the two is worst, orwelian or idiotic?
what we are getting is global bureaucracy and idiocy though, I dunno which of the two is worst, orwelian or idiotic?
im always kinda scared what the US governmen intends to do with the hundreds of predator drones and other crazy spy satelites they have over in the middle east. probably use on their own people eventually.
its scary to think we might have to flee to the forests in order to be totally free from the system.
its scary to think we might have to flee to the forests in order to be totally free from the system.
how old r some of you? like really?
What color is your underwear? Like really?
you missed the sarcasm, totally!
hehehe...
No-capitalism puts the power in the hands of the unelected under the guise of the "private sector." Nobody feels great about giving the government said power, but alas it's much closer to real democracy, as the elected are accountable. The people who run The United States are Merryl Lynch, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and defense contractors.
The people who run France are the the French Government.
I like the latter, even though both suck as compared to, say, letting me run it.
No-capitalism puts the power in the hands of the unelected under the guise of the "private sector." Nobody feels great about giving the government said power, but alas it's much closer to real democracy, as the elected are accountable. The people who run The United States are Merryl Lynch, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and defense contractors.
The people who run France are the the French Government.
I like the latter, even though both suck as compared to, say, letting me run it.
It's against my instincts to choose subservience to other groups of people. You are simply a pawn at that point, no? I understand the lesser of the two evils argument. You are right about right about Neo-Capitalism.
The Military Industrial Complex is almost organic in it's consumption of resources, people included. But at least you don't progress towards a "class" society, which is the inevitable result of absolute government control. Eh, you could argue the point that America is a class society, but I believe there is difference. We are free. More so than many. In Singapore all music is censored. Chewing gum is illegal. You just have to work to make what changes you want to in our life.
I just get worried when power becomes so consolidated on national levels. There becomes a very small group looking out for you as opposed to the community you live in. Federal infrastructure is crucial for the US, every country needs some sort of federal infrastructure to compete in the world market. The debate lies within how much?
The Bushes and the Clinton's for example. Nepotism runs deep here just as it does in Jakarta where the Suharto family has run things for decades. It's a family business.
A bit of hyperbole for effect. (not about the gum)
In a true democratic society they only have the power as long as we are stupid enough to continue to believe the stupid class warfare - us versus them - arguments that are the cornerstone of every tyrannical movement. Divide and conquer is a strategy that works on and off the battlefield and these politicians know it.
As long as they can make the ignorant believe the lie that government can do for them what they will not do for themselves, then the people who support big government will use that stupidity as the basis for allowing the people of big government to indulge themselves in the game of playing God with your life and your money.
Government and politics is the art of convincing people that a select person (or group of people) should be allowed to exist for the purpose of being allowed to take some of your money, spend it as they please and make rules of conduct for you to follow and for which they are allowed to make exceptions.
This is the ugly truth of the modern progressive movement. If it was about helping the people they would stop taking the people's money and stop trying to convince the people that government is as good a spouse or parent as the people can find on their own. The people supporting big government will never do this because it would end their game. We all know this, we have just chosen to ignore it or call it something else so we can pretend it doesn't effect us or we will be lucky and be exempt.
Unfortunately, either everyone or no one is exempt. The tyranny of liberalism is that everyone must be miserable so that they can be ruled by the wise and lordly men of governance for the good that only these wise and lordly men can see.
Funny thing, the end is always the same; nobody else ever sees this "good" and millions die to put an end to it so real "goodness" can prevail.
Rant ends; soapbox placed back under the bed.
As long as they can make the ignorant believe the lie that government can do for them what they will not do for themselves, then the people who support big government will use that stupidity as the basis for allowing the people of big government to indulge themselves in the game of playing God with your life and your money.
Government and politics is the art of convincing people that a select person (or group of people) should be allowed to exist for the purpose of being allowed to take some of your money, spend it as they please and make rules of conduct for you to follow and for which they are allowed to make exceptions.
This is the ugly truth of the modern progressive movement. If it was about helping the people they would stop taking the people's money and stop trying to convince the people that government is as good a spouse or parent as the people can find on their own. The people supporting big government will never do this because it would end their game. We all know this, we have just chosen to ignore it or call it something else so we can pretend it doesn't effect us or we will be lucky and be exempt.
Unfortunately, either everyone or no one is exempt. The tyranny of liberalism is that everyone must be miserable so that they can be ruled by the wise and lordly men of governance for the good that only these wise and lordly men can see.
Funny thing, the end is always the same; nobody else ever sees this "good" and millions die to put an end to it so real "goodness" can prevail.
Rant ends; soapbox placed back under the bed.
