First time QWISO questions

[JuggHound]

hey im making qwiso for the first time with a qp of remains of old bags of buds, mostly bud that rubbed together and broke cause it was too dry and a lots of sugar leafs all from high AAA BC bud, I was wondering an aproximate yeild, I have 3L of Iso, ill use 1L with the A wash of qwiso 1L with the B and let the plantmatter soak for a hour in the C wash. just wondering an aproximate yeild on the A B and C washes thanks for your help guys.

Cheers

 

[weedhead]

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=66497

This should tell you pretty much everything you need to know about qwiso.

 

[Caille]

Well it is only QWISO if it is a quick wash, ISO over a long period of time would I think be bad tasting.


Alexis
*smiles*

 

[JuggHound]

yeah my first 2 runs will be qwiso the a will be 20-30 second shaking and the b will be 1 minute. ill only let the c wash sit for a final extraction just wondering an estimation on a yeild.
cheers guys

 

[love?]

I wouldn't bother with the two later runs they are gonna taste horrible and won't be potent. Never measured qwiso yields (not exactly the easiest material to handle etc) but I guess about 5% of the mass you put in should be ok.. you don't want a high yield with qwiso because it will be horrible...

But if you want my recommendation get some bubble bags or something instead. I just made some qwiso yesterday and even though I tried to do a relatively quick wash it just wasn't quick enough and the result was shit... Even the best iso runs I've done have been kinda meh... I don't think I'll bother with qwiso ever again. If it ain't good enough for the bubble bags it's just bio-waste.

 

[reckon]

Well it is only QWISO if it is a quick wash, ISO over a long period of time would I think be bad tasting.


Alexis
*smiles*

+1

if you wash LONGER than about 20-35 SECONDS, you start extracting foul tasting stuff, PLUS, your final extractive will be VERY goopy, sticky, and hard to handle, and not very potent.

I do it with a 1/4 ounce at a time in a cocktail strainer, as it seems to work better in small batches (someone chime in here if you can do it with a QP), and I STRAIN the alc/bud mix into a large mason jar (or your bud is sitting in the alc LONGER than 30 secs) once I run the 1/4 ounce through two, MAYBE three 30sec washes, then I pour the strained alcohol through a cone coffee filter (I like the unbleached ones you fold, no GLUE at the seams, and only ONE PLY or again you can get adhesive residue)
THEN I evap in an oil bath set on a digi hot plate running at 200 degrees (iso's boiling temp at sea level is 180+F degrees), I then repeat with another 1/4 ounce, and another after that until I run an ounce through, adding to the evap dish as I go

THEN once it's all evaporated, I microwave the pyrex pie dish for 3 or 4 minutes to evap any final traces of moisture, and to help decarboxylation of the cannabinoids,........let cool till warm, and start scraping

I end up with a hard moldable chunk that will "clink" when dropped on a hard surface, very potent, with the same nice flavor of whatever went in or that lovely "spinach" fan leaf taste if that's all you used (which I do all the time), but still very potent

I would try a small 2 gram batch the way you described (with the long soak), and then the way I just did, and see which you like better (I already know the answer to this )

as far as yields go I get more weight back, and better quality (imo) with QWISO, than with bubble, or butane extraction for the same amount and quality of sample going in, although I will confess to have never weighed the end result, so it is merely an observation.

there is a thread running here where the OP DOES do a weigh in AND comparason of QWISO to bubble and the results are as I described: a greater weight of high quality extract with the QWISO. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=152976

I don't do any other kind of extract now except I got one of those ronco rotisseries (another thread), and made myself a dry sift keif droid :yay:

I even named it "R2-Keif-2"

 

[RVCA]

another tip is to reuse the alcohol you used for the first rinse... less liquid to evaporate

 

[shawkmon]

freeze the trim, the jars and the iso for an hour, shake no more than 20 seconds, 15 is best, dont use coffee strainer its too slow and dont use heat to evaporate just a fan, might take a couple days since its winter but you will want yer product dusty not oily, way easier to handle

 

[love?]

Great post reckon!

I'm sure getting great quality with good yields is possile with qwiso if you master the technique but I sure haven't... Also I'm a bit afraid of whatever crap the iso may leave in the end product and if there's a loss of quantity with bubble then I'll just accept that as the price to pay for peace of mind.

The rotisserie sifter sounds like an excellent idea.

 

[reckon]

freeze the trim, the jars and the iso for an hour, shake no more than 20 seconds, 15 is best, dont use coffee strainer its too slow and dont use heat to evaporate just a fan, might take a couple days since its winter but you will want yer product dusty not oily, way easier to handle

I only put the STRAINED LIQUID through the coffee filter,.....the cocktail shaker I use has a strainer top, which I added a small piece of SS steel screening, so when I pour the alc out into a catch jar, the herb stays in the cocktail shaker, then I add more alc, and then pour it out, then dump the herb, and repeat.

otherwise you are absolutely correct, the herb stays in the alcohol LONGER than 30 secs, while it filters through the coffee filter

once I have all the strained and filtered alc collected, THEN I evap on a heat plate, which I also believe helps with the hardness of the end result.

I personally don't want to smoke a "dusty" product, since dust is composed MOSTLY of human skin particles, but to each their own.

making QWISO is pretty much like making chili: there are a million different cooks, and a million different recipes, all of em come out pretty good, with some being a little better than the rest but it's all YOUR personal preference.

em if ya got em

 

[HowardHunt]

Hey guys. I have just been spending the last few days pulling bubble bags and using an icelolator. I like the results and the yield but this QWISO has me very curious. I think I have all the info to start on my first batch, much thanks reckon!

I was just wondering if there is a big difference in the final product between 91 and 99 % iso. Does 91 just take longer to evaporate or does the 99% actually make a better quality final result.

I'm looking for the best quality final result, don't really care about yield since it's for the head. So is it better than full melt bubble is another question I guess. The bubble I'm making is great but labor intensive and takes a bit of time.

 

[bat1327]

I just started making qwiso( 3 different times). LOVE IT. All 3 times with just trim and fan leaves(harvest winter outdoor run in 3 weeks) frankly just crap i had laying around. First time 15 seconds then thru coffe filter (everyone is right they do not drain quick enough). blew off iso with a hair dryer(don't worry i didn't blow up) product was dark and hard as a rock but blew you away. 2 nd time longer wash 30-40 - seconds hair dryer again tasted like SHIT(threw away). 3 rd time strainer 15 second wash and hot plate(Thank you George Foreman) on med to high not to fast not to slow. Product was dryish blond and great. I'm enjoying some right now with some frosted mini-wheats

 

[Classyathome]

Hey guys. I have just been spending the last few days pulling bubble bags and using an icelolator. I like the results and the yield but this QWISO has me very curious. I think I have all the info to start on my first batch, much thanks reckon!

I was just wondering if there is a big difference in the final product between 91 and 99 % iso. Does 91 just take longer to evaporate or does the 99% actually make a better quality final result.

I'm looking for the best quality final result, don't really care about yield since it's for the head. So is it better than full melt bubble is another question I guess. The bubble I'm making is great but labor intensive and takes a bit of time.

91% has approx 9% water - 99% practically none.

Evap time is faster the higher the %, and the gland heads are NOT water soluble, but other plant material can be...

Use 99%, and don't wash for more than 15 secs or so.

You only want the heads, not any plant material - and some plant stuff will dissolve in alcohol, thus contaminating your QWISO.

Good luck...