Organic way to reverse female clone to male?

[LAMBS-BREAD]

Hey icmager's

As the title say im looking for Organic way to reverse female clone to male? i would like to keep a clone in seed form...

 

[Crazy Composer]

Although I've never done it myself, I hear that colloidal silver will do it. My family uses colloidal silver (for ourselves and for our pets) sometimes. It's a superb antiviral. For plants, just spray it on the plant. Maybe add a drop of organic dish soap to act as an emulsifier, to help it stick and penetrate better.

 

[JackTheGrower]

The only one I have read about is light poisoning. I have not done that.

The other way to get female seeds I know of is with a Hermi Strain I have "A breeders" hermi
I had 6 years of female seeds and not a Hermi in the two strains.. The Sativa strain did and i cancelled using them.
But you know what they say about that.

I read it's one hour of light a day?

Dono...

I'm about to get two silver coins so you know what i am up to.

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

Although I've never done it myself, I hear that colloidal silver will do it. My family uses colloidal silver (for ourselves and for our pets) sometimes. It's a superb antiviral. For plants, just spray it on the plant. Maybe add a drop of organic dish soap to act as an emulsifier, to help it stick and penetrate better.

Thanks CC, im googling it now...

The only one I have read about is light poisoning. I have not done that.

The other way to get female seeds I know of is with a Hermi Strain I have "A breeders" hermi
I had 6 years of female seeds and not a Hermi in the two strains.. The Sativa strain did and i cancelled using them.
But you know what they say about that.

I read it's one hour of light a day?

Dono...

I'm about to get two silver coins so you know what i am up to.

Hey Jack! Thanks for the help.

Its my frist attempt at making seeds, im a bit scared of hermies lol...

 

[JackTheGrower]

Thanks CC, im googling it now...



Hey Jack! Thanks for the help.

Its my first attempt at making seeds, im a bit scared of hermies lol...

I think it has to hide in the alleles

Since some with a hermaphrodite parent don't show but they all say it's there. What have you heard CC?

I will be doing it for the first time too.. Are you starting to think "Seeds Saver?"

That's where I am. I hope it is legalized.. Just say YES..

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

I think it has to hide in the alleles

Since some with a hermaphrodite parent don't show but they all say it's there. What have you heard CC?

I will be doing it for the first time too.. Are you starting to think "Seeds Saver?"

That's where I am. I hope it is legalized.. Just say YES..

Hey jack i have read soma's book real quickly (i just got it) i think this is how soma make is females seeds organicly, he simply use hermie plant or stress the plant so she just show a very few male sex.

I will try to post it here...

 

[JackTheGrower]

Anyone know of any organic solutions we can feed the soil to help this?

My Second Medical Grow was Hindu Kush.. I watered High in K in hot, dry pot and that caused a male to turn female.
Was in the sun, dry as a bone in 7 gal pot.

 

[JackTheGrower]

I used a Hermi.. Only testing them will tell.. I mean if folks know their genetics might be Gay but aren't Chemically bred.. I dono what would they choose?

LOL

 

[jaykush]

whats wrong with a good male? even if you do reverse a clone. the offspring are not going to be stable as far as phenotypes go. you will still have to do some searching to find that one perfect plant.

im one for saying hell no to anything hermie.

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

Anyone know of any organic solutions we can feed the soil to help this?

My Second Medical Grow was Hindu Kush.. I watered High in K in hot, dry pot and that caused a male to turn female.
Was in the sun, dry as a bone in 7 gal pot.

I remember on OG they were a study done by some scientist, if i remember right, about how to get mostly 100% of female, male or hermies on large bash of seeds. I kept it a wile and lost it...
just with modifying light cycle, temps, humidity and npk...

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

whats wrong with a good male? even if you do reverse a clone. the offspring are not going to be stable as far as phenotypes go. you will still have to do some searching to find that one perfect plant.

im one for saying hell no to anything hermie.

Well i've read that s1 comes out just like the clone.?, usualy...thats my goal, it's to reproduce the clone, the easiest way and after seeking infos reversing was the best way to go.

 

[jaykush]

they come out "like" the clone. not exactly. reversing might be the fastest way to go. but not the best imo. but then again i am REALLY picky when it comes to crossing two plants together or the seed making process. if the s1's are simply a "just in case" type thing its well worth it if you loose the clone. but if you just want the genetics in seed form the long route is best. at least to me.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Hey Jaykush..

Any organic triggers you know of?

I will suggest dry and high K liquid.. Dono if that was really a trigger or just that one case..

 

[JackTheGrower]

whats wrong with a good male? .

LOL my last Miss told me all males are no good.. After she took all my pollen and money..

Maybe she needs some more NPK?

 

[jaykush]

sorry like i said, i am strongly against making something herm to get seeds. it has screwed me over many times. never once has a true male done so.

 

[JackTheGrower]

sorry like i said, i am strongly against making something herm to get seeds. it has screwed me over many times. never once has a true male done so.

No problem.. I want to do this myself LAMBS-BREAD, I mean make some seeds from the females i have. I guess I will find out if Females made with a "hermi" will seed okay if I do S1 them.
That will be worth finding out first hand.

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

Last time i 've grown some alpha diesel. I got a very few nanners by the end to two phenos, which provided me with one seed from each and both seeds were female...


Here is the soma way to female seed:

This is a few paragraghs from Soma's book (Organic Marijuana Soma Style). Making cannabis seeds is an art. As in any art ther many different methods of application. I have tried using gibberillic acid, PH stress, light stress and fertilizer stress to force my female plants to make seeds. All of these methods are harsh on the plants, and some such as gibberillic acid are not organic. In my search for cleaner more earth friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant, I have found a new way to make feminized seeds. This method of making feminized seeds is "Age Feminization Technique" (AFT), I like to call it Rodelization, after a friend helped me realize and make use of this way of making female seeds. Stressing for seeds- Female seeds happen from stess. not genetics. Thats right, I am saying that all cannabis varietys have the capability of making male flowers on 100% female plants. Stress is the cause of this phenomenon. In the 32 years I have been actively growing cannabis, I have come to know every form of stress a cannabis plant can experience. It takes many harvest before you really get to know a type of weed. Just like getting to know human friends it takes time. Some strains prefer a higher PH, some a lower one. Some like alot of food, some like much less. There is quite alot of variety in marijuana genetics, and you dont treat every plant the same way. I have grown the same strains now for close to a decade, and am truly getting to know every bit of body language that my plants exhibit. I can recognize them now from a distance. After growing crop after crop of the same plants in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they developed male flowers. In AFT, Plants are grown 10-14 days longer to induce male flowers. To me a male flower is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female seeds. Many growers have male phobia. They see a male flower and have heart palpitations, want to cut down the entire crop or at the vary least take a tweezers and pluck the little yellow emergency devices out. I call them emergency devices becuase they emerge at times of stress. Most of the time when females are grown longer for pollen, no seeds are found in that crop, but once in a while you do find some. Pollination Techniques- Pollination can be acomplished in a few ways. The first way is more exacting, or for when you are growing multiple varieties. The pollen is collected from the plants as they dry, and then used in a successive crop. After growing your female plants 10-14 days longer and hanging them up to dry, they are carefully taken off the drying lines and inspected for male flowers. Each and every such flower is removed and placed in a small bag and labeled accurately. These sealed bags can be placed in the refrigerator for up to 2 months and still remain potent. To use this method it is necessary to have another crop underway soon after the male flowers are collected. When the new crop is 2 1/2 weeks into flowering, you take your sealed bag of pollen out of the refrigerator and proceed to pollinate your new crop of females. First, match the female plant with the pollen from the same female plant from the previous crop. Turn off all the fans in the room. With a fine watercolor brush, remove some pollen from the bag and paint it on the female flower. This is repeated for each variety. I have done this sucessfully with up to ten strains in the same room. I pollenate the lower flowers, leaving the top cola seedless for smoking. This method requires two crops to produce seeds, but it is completely organic. It also lets you have great quality smoke at the same time and from the same plant your using to make female seeds. If you have never grown seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke, you will love this method. You can also use the collected pollen to make new female crosses by cross pollinating. This is a great solution when you want to use a variety you like as the "male" part of the cross, but you dont have access to seeds or males. The second way is less controlled or may be used when you are gardening a single variety. Rather than drying and saving the pollen, the females with male flowers are brought directly into the room with a second group of females that are 3 weeks into the flowering cycle. The circulation fans are turned to high and the little particles of pollen circulate around the room for several days. Six to seven weeks later you have ripe 100% feminized seeds. This method does not produce as many seeds as crossing with a genetically male plant, but it is productive enough to keep a variety in circulation. Feminizing methods can be extremely valuable in the effort to preserve strains, as well as being useful for any breeding programs. Having been a farmer who moved my genetics far away from where they started, I know the value of seeds. My friend Adam from TH Seeds in Amsterdam has a motto that I love to borrow: "Drop seeds not bombs"

 

[festivus]

Coloidal silver is the way to go. Inexpensive and simple to prepare. IC Mag has a great thread that's been going for 2 years. Search member PhenoMenal, and look for his tutorial "Yaay, my first coloidal silver generator, with pics".

C.S. doesn't stress the plant the way light/heat poisoning or G.A.

 

[VerdantGreen]

the trouble with somas method is that you need a female that is already predisposed to make male flowers which is not necessarily good breeding material.

there are many discussions of this is the breeders lab etc. opinions are divided lol

but imo from research is whether you self or use a male then its all down to selection.

whether the s1 seeds come out like the clone depends on the genetics. if the clone is homozygous (true breeding) then the S1's will be more like the parent than if it is heterozygous. try searching through tom hill's posts - he talks about selfing quite a lot.

his take is that you are best to self the clone (if you want seeds of it) than add more genetics to the mix by using a male and backcrossing. grow out the s1's (quite a few) and if they dont come near the clone then discard the line.

selfing is a pretty standard tool in plant breeding.

personally i have had about as many herms from regular seeds as i have from fems.
havent reversed a female myself yet - my breeding adventure is just beginning - just growing out my first crosses atm.

V.

 

[LAMBS-BREAD]

Coloidal silver is the way to go. Inexpensive and simple to prepare. IC Mag has a great thread that's been going for 2 years. Search member PhenoMenal, and look for his tutorial "Yaay, my first coloidal silver generator, with pics".

C.S. doesn't stress the plant the way light/heat poisoning or G.A.

Thanks festivus...I did't know bout colloïdal silver befor CC mentioned it to me, I will deff' check the thread u mention.

the trouble with somas method is that you need a female that is already predisposed to make male flowers which is not necessarily good breeding material.

there are many discussions of this is the breeders lab etc. opinions are divided lol

but imo from research is whether you self or use a male then its all down to selection.

whether the s1 seeds come out like the clone depends on the genetics. if the clone is homozygous (true breeding) then the S1's will be more like the parent than if it is heterozygous. try searching through tom hill's posts - he talks about selfing quite a lot.

his take is that you are best to self the clone (if you want seeds of it) than add more genetics to the mix by using a male and backcrossing. grow out the s1's (quite a few) and if they dont come near the clone then discard the line.

selfing is a pretty standard tool in plant breeding.

personally i have had about as many herms from regular seeds as i have from fems.
havent reversed a female myself yet - my breeding adventure is just beginning - just growing out my first crosses atm.

V.

Well this will be my firs attempt to breedding. Since i can't keep all the plants i love as mother i thought that will be the best solution.

I've read that it depend of the strain too, some reserve easly than others.

Peace V

ps: Sorry to Burnone, I just realise that this thread maybe belongs to the breedding section but, my first attempt was to get a organic way to reverse a clone..