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What I've Learned About The Widow Family

D.S. Toker. MD

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My Greenhouse White widow grow this summer was the 5th company brand of the WW variety that ive grown out, so i thought would report my experiences with the 5 companies. Here are the 5 brands ive grown. All 5 were grown outdoors;

Black widow, Mr. Nice
Joey's f2's of the original white Widow genetics
White labels
Greenhouse
Dutch Passion's White Widow

I know there is a lot of politics involved with WW and i dont want to be controversial at all. I like WW, i'm just looking for the best perfomer for my situation.

Greenhouse: I have found 3 phenos in the GH brand. One pheno is easily identified by its single bladed leaf structure with extreme angular branching. It finishes outdoors by the end of Sept and is a good plant with a good stone. This is the most common pheno

A second pheno is a plant that is chrismas tree shaped with less yeild and more typical branching. A decent plant but not as good as the most common pheno.

Pheno 3- Only about 1 pheno per pack, much more sativa with thin dark green leaves and long lower branches that reach up and fill out. It finishes a full 2 weeks later than the other pheno's and has a considerable headbud but has a lower yield. The potency is a bit higher than the other phenos.


Mr. Nice BW: Th e plants from this brand seems to have more sativa than the GH brand. The primary pheno is very similar to pheno 3 of the GH brand. Thin, dark green leaves,long arching branches and finishes a full 2-3 weeks later than the GH. This brand is a bit more potent than the GH brand but yeilds less. It has less vigor and disease resistance than the GH brand and less variation. '

Joey's f2's of the original GH cup winner: These f2's are clearly related to the GH brand. There were 2 primary pheno's. 1 that was a single bladed leaf design and 1 that is identical to the more sativa leaning pheno in the GH.

Dutch passion: The DP WW seems to be completely different genetics than either the GHWW or the MR. Nice WW. There are 2 pheno's, a low yielding chrismas tree and then another that leans toward a dominant headbud. The potency of both pheno's is less than either the Gh brand or the Mr. Nice brand. This plant lacks vigor for the outdoor and isnt a good choice for ODgrowing. This is a good plant for indoor and produces a nice product, but compared to the others and especially for outdoor, it doesnt measure up.


White LabeL: The white label grow was very similar to the Mr. Nice plants. More sativa, longer finish and a little more potent than the GH. Thin, dark green leaves and long lower branches with a pronounced headbud.


After growing the Joeys f2's, I believe that the WW brand offered by GH today, is no different than the original offering of years ago. Because i know that GH and Shantibaba all were part of the same company, its my view that Mr. Nice has taken that sativa leaning pheno and worked it into their line. I feelthat the GH offering, Joeys
f2's and the BW are all related. I think the WL offering is a copy of the Mr. Nice brand. I don't belive the DP offering to be related to them at all.

For outdoors, the GH brand out performs the others hands down. The slight increase in potency seen in the Mr.Nice or WL doesnt offset its lack of vigor or the late finishing date.

For indoor or if i was looking for that special mother plant, I believe the potential for finding that plant would be much greater with the Mr. Nice brand or Joey's f2's.

I wont grow the WL or Dp again.
 
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Good report.. just so you know the original widow was A late finnisher and had A low yield! high yielding widow plants are reworks of the original...

I also agree that DPs widow sucks very bland smoke.....
 

l33t

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its my view that Mr. Nice has taken that sativa leaning pheno and worked it into their line

hi there D.S. Toker . MD.

From what I know the real/ MrNice Widow has been made by the same 2 parent plants since it was made during the GH days where Shanti was selling it back in the day.. So its is still the same as it was when it was first made.

The original Widow is a low yielder and even if other versions gave better growing plants (more resistant/with higher yield etc etc) this wouldn't mean much to me as a reworked version , or a non real/pure version is possible to give better plants or even better smoking plants than the f1 real Widow , would these be real Widow ? no so if one wants to try n grow the original , I say go with Shanti's version (MrNiceSeeds) afterall he is the one who bred and created this special line ;)


Thanks for the report , its very interesting to hear about your experiences with the diff Widows
keep it up
 

hashit

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Excellent report. I have grown the GH White Widow and have had the phenos you have talked about. I loved the strain and am growing it again.
 

Owl Mirror

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One pheno is easily identified by its single bladed leaf structure with extreme angular branching. Pheno 3- Only about 1 pheno per pack, much more sativa with thin dark green leaves and long lower branches that reach up and fill out.

Do you mean like the difference I found between these two girls ?
 

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its my view that Mr. Nice has taken that sativa leaning pheno and worked it into their line

hi there D.S. Toker . MD.

From what I know the real/ MrNice Widow has been made by the same 2 parent plants since it was made during the GH days where Shanti was selling it back in the day.. So its is still the same as it was when it was first made.

The original Widow is a low yielder and even if other versions gave better growing plants (more resistant/with higher yield etc etc) this wouldn't mean much to me as a reworked version , or a non real/pure version is possible to give better plants or even better smoking plants than the f1 real Widow , would these be real Widow ? no so if one wants to try n grow the original , I say go with Shanti's version (MrNiceSeeds) afterall he is the one who bred and created this special line ;)


Thanks for the report , its very interesting to hear about your experiences with the diff Widows
keep it up

^^^^,,,,im with you 100%

GH`s widow is just an incross from shantis work,,,,maybe its a good incross maybe its not,,,,still an incross an meybe even a shabby 1 at that ,,,not the sorta work id consider worthy of a king:)
 

ChaosCatalunya

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Excellent report D.S. Toker. MD, nice to read some quality info from someone who has taken the time to try a few things out !
 

Haps

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Good report, thanks. Has anybody grown out JW's sugar blossoms? It is pitched as an improvement on WW, thinking about trying it next year, already got a good wwidow in my harem.
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That was a good honest report based on your experience.

Out of curiousity , why would MNS be better for indoors? Because of potency? Or is it because outdoor plants really need that mold and disease resistance that is less important indoors?

Thanks for sharing this. I've always wondered.
 

D.S. Toker. MD

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Red swan, I thought the MR. Nice ww was better for inside because of its later finish date and its vigor is a bit lacking for the wild a wooly's. Plus, indoor you can top and increase the yeild more easily indoors.

the Mr. Nice can really go about 70 days or more to really be ripe. That takes a long time outdoors.
 

l33t

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I was wondering how many plants did you run from each Widow line?

As you know its hard to get a good idea about a strain if you grow a small seed sample.
 

3dDream

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I was wondering how many plants did you run from each Widow line?

As you know its hard to get a good idea about a strain if you grow a small seed sample.

Yeah.
 

madb

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Good report.. just so you know the original widow was A late finnisher and had A low yield! high yielding widow plants are reworks of the original...

I also agree that DPs widow sucks very bland smoke.....

I agree.

I have seen 2 pheno's in my pack with the low yielder being extremely frosty and packing a punch.



I have been fortunate enough to keep the genetics off this girl. I have pics of the other pheno in my gallery, which was a much higher yielder with a racy high.
 

D.S. Toker. MD

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Ive run several packs of the GH, Dp and Joey's f2s. I only ran 1 of the BW and WL.

I have a different opinion on the size of the sample grow. Its my contention that if you cant buy 10 seeds of an established strain from a breeder and from those 10 seeds, reicieve a pretty good idea of the essence of the cross, then there is a problem with the "breeder". From my viewpoint its not breeding when 2 stray dogs meet, copulate and become hooked . Thats procreation and willl result in a mutt. Closely resembling some of the crossses you see now days.

There is a world of difference between procreation and breeding . Any living thing with "genitals" can procreate but breeding is the result of knowledge, skill and practice.
 

l33t

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thanks for the reply D.S. Toker. MD

No one here said that 1 pack of seeds shouldn't be enough to get an idea of the strain.
I agree 1 pack should be enough to find out if you want to further work with the line and to get an idea about the strain.
 

BENJI

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Good report only thing it lacks and that's the most important thing is pictures...
 
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