SCROG: Height of Plant at Harvest?
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Depends on what you grow. My Colas have been in the 20" range when laying down. Thunk colas grown vertically, were about 15 inches above the canopy because of stem curvature and gravity. I kept my Destroyer colas horizontal and bud height was about 6 inches above the canopy.
Thunk (shot 3, showing full stretch, is upside down)
Destroyer
Thunk (shot 3, showing full stretch, is upside down)
Destroyer
Matanuskan Flo
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Depends on what you grow. My Colas have been in the 20" range when laying down. Thunk colas grown vertically, were about 15 inches above the canopy because of stem curvature and gravity. I kept my Destroyer colas horizontal and bud height was about 6 inches above the canopy.
Thunk (shot 3, showing full stretch, is upside down)
Destroyer
hey OP,
i keep mine in the 20" range too. Just tried it 2x though. I believe both were at 18" to be exact. PVC pipe & fishing line is what I used or had around the house, rather. Misread your question, sorry - my height at harvest was about 24-27", depending on location of the cola. the middle of the screen had the 25"+ colas.
FreezerBoy - Could you tell me what strain(s) Thunk is?? I have seen you write it before & assumed you meant 'trunk' haha. Looks fantastic, is why I am asking.
depends on the strain but on average you are talking about 6" above the screen
to get the best scrog yields you have to to see the scrog as a 3 dimensional entity - you want some height so as you can get plenty of tall vertical colas above the screen rather than a flat 2 dimensional canopy.
V.
to get the best scrog yields you have to to see the scrog as a 3 dimensional entity - you want some height so as you can get plenty of tall vertical colas above the screen rather than a flat 2 dimensional canopy.
V.
Great Info, thanks.
Seems like there's a range between 6" (?) and 25+. So planning for a max of 30" would cover it. SCROG is in a large closet, screen is 30" by 40" (about 8sq.ft). Plan to grow 4 plants into the screen. Sound right?
By the time there's space for reservoirs below the pots, then the pots, then the space up to the screen, then the height of the plant, then the 12-18" for LED lighting... that gets high! .. about 6 feet.
Workable.
Seems like there's a range between 6" (?) and 25+. So planning for a max of 30" would cover it. SCROG is in a large closet, screen is 30" by 40" (about 8sq.ft). Plan to grow 4 plants into the screen. Sound right?
By the time there's space for reservoirs below the pots, then the pots, then the space up to the screen, then the height of the plant, then the 12-18" for LED lighting... that gets high! .. about 6 feet.
Workable.
Thai Haze x Skunk #1. I forget who came up with the short name. Thet were the Freebie Du Jour at SeedBoo when I first joined up.
Depends on your light. If you only have 6-12 inches of effective penetration, 20 inch vertical colas should be avoided in favor of horizontal colas with vertical buds.
If you end up with small vert colas' you have whats known as a carpet scrog.(4"-7" say)
I dont like little cola's or carpet scrogs, You cant get enough air through the canopy imo, tis better to have longer vert colas in terms of yield and airflow. Definately needs some consideration especially as the stretch on some indica's can catch you with ya pants down as there is often barely any.
True is the same of sati's as they will hit the ceiling if ya not carefull. I like a good 60/40, Sati dom personally, i find hybrids easier to read in terms of stretch. No1 consideration if wanting to Scrog=STRETCH imvho! Best height 14-18" cola's(From Screen), Helps to get plenty of airflow through the canopy.(Budrot Anyone!)Use a dehuey too!!!!!
I dont like little cola's or carpet scrogs, You cant get enough air through the canopy imo, tis better to have longer vert colas in terms of yield and airflow. Definately needs some consideration especially as the stretch on some indica's can catch you with ya pants down as there is often barely any.
True is the same of sati's as they will hit the ceiling if ya not carefull. I like a good 60/40, Sati dom personally, i find hybrids easier to read in terms of stretch. No1 consideration if wanting to Scrog=STRETCH imvho! Best height 14-18" cola's(From Screen), Helps to get plenty of airflow through the canopy.(Budrot Anyone!)Use a dehuey too!!!!!
hmm freezerboy raises a good point. my above post was what i do for my 250 light which has basically 12" of good penetration under the bulb - and you want to keep the tops 6" away so that gives 6" of buds above the screen.
scrogerman - 14-18" would need a big light to get good penetration. i have never had problems due to lack of airflow but i do have a good fan - a ruck variable speed that has a temp sensor.
V.
scrogerman - 14-18" would need a big light to get good penetration. i have never had problems due to lack of airflow but i do have a good fan - a ruck variable speed that has a temp sensor.
V.
OK,
But i dont mean a solid budded 18" Cola. I'm talkin airflow buddy!
The first couple "s aint doing much, mostly remove the pop corn from down there anyway. I have always found much better airflow with longer colas. 400 600 or both together take ya pick, the more intensity the bigger the cola for me. This Scrog i got going atm i'm aiming for 14-18" colas with 1000k of Growlux and 625w of CFL-(2700k+6500k) should get the sort of penetration required.
Check it out.
I'll measure them when i'm done for ya!
Peace.................Scrog'(after 9+ Days of 12/12)
CalBear4Life
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Would it be possible to grow a really tall scrog? Or is it only for short spaces? I've seen that it is just recommended for small spaces but I am very interested in using it in my grow but space isn't an issue
True, but the hit is smaller than you think and leaves enough to bury you alive. I could quit growing for a year without running out of bud. Po Freezers got too damn much weed
Seriously, I'm not comfortable holding weight. I have 4-5 oz of Thunk I'm about ready to flush down the drain. Still leaves me with the haul from a couple of Destroyers, and then there's the 8 Miles I grew and the Destroyer growing right now ... Hell, I've even started a little jar curing. If weeds going to sit untouched for 6 months, it may as well sit in a jar.Depends on the penetration of your lamp. If you can penetrate 3-4 feet, grow tall vertical colas. If you can penetrate 6 inches, grow horizontal colas with shorter vertical buds.
CalBear4Life
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Cool man
I have a 1000w with a Hortilux blue bulb for veg and a 1000w Hortilux HPS for bloom. What do you think of a 9-plant scrog using Blazeoneups RDWC? I plan on making it really nice in a tent and everything with proper ventilation, nutes, etc...I would love it if you would comment and recommend
Oh ya and sorry for the thread jack, I just hate to make a bunch of new threads
I'd think the more plants you have, the less use ScrOG will be. Keeping my ScrOG inside of 2x2 is a real trick. Four 2x2s would sit well under a 1K but, 9 plants wouldn't have any room to stretch out horizontally. You'd simply have 9 plants with screens in the middle.
We all have personal reasons for choosing methods. Mine was to replace my 24 plant E&F SOG with a single plant. Further, with clones and donors, the E&F saw me with an average of over 50 plants, ScrOG, I average 2. I'd rather be busted for 1-2 plants than 50-75.
We all have personal reasons for choosing methods. Mine was to replace my 24 plant E&F SOG with a single plant. Further, with clones and donors, the E&F saw me with an average of over 50 plants, ScrOG, I average 2. I'd rather be busted for 1-2 plants than 50-75.
CalBear4Life
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Great point. I'm really trying to figure out the best system for my conditions...It looks like my best bet is to grow my babies huge. Do you think it would be better for me to top them or just let them grow?
If you want to top, I'd stick with a mild LST.
The top forces the plant to stay down while it steals all the good stuff. Cut it off, the next two take the good stuff and force everything else to stay down. Bend the top, every stem will insist on being King, refuse to stay down and will snag as much good stuff as it can grab. Without that bend forcing accelerated growth and production of lower stems, you just have a screen in the middle of the plant for no reason.
The top forces the plant to stay down while it steals all the good stuff. Cut it off, the next two take the good stuff and force everything else to stay down. Bend the top, every stem will insist on being King, refuse to stay down and will snag as much good stuff as it can grab. Without that bend forcing accelerated growth and production of lower stems, you just have a screen in the middle of the plant for no reason.
CalBear4Life
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Thank you kindly...great info
i use individual screens of 1 square foot for each of my plants (modular scrog)
, 4 plants in my 250 cab. it can take a bit of wrestling to keep them under control but it does bring great yields if you use big pots 3 - 4 gallons or so - and doesnt take much vegging which is what many see as the disadvantage of scrog.
i wouldnt recommend using screens much smaller than that.
VG.
, 4 plants in my 250 cab. it can take a bit of wrestling to keep them under control but it does bring great yields if you use big pots 3 - 4 gallons or so - and doesnt take much vegging which is what many see as the disadvantage of scrog.
i wouldnt recommend using screens much smaller than that.
VG.
heres one of my square foot screens - UK cheese just before harvest - the buds are actually closer together in the cab as they get held into the square foot by the other 3 plants
this one yielded 1.4 g/watt - organic soil. you can really max out the yield with scrog
if you can, its best to try and get the canopy so as the edges are higher the centre, giving an overall dished effect, then the buds are more equidistant from the light.
VG.
this one yielded 1.4 g/watt - organic soil. you can really max out the yield with scrog
if you can, its best to try and get the canopy so as the edges are higher the centre, giving an overall dished effect, then the buds are more equidistant from the light.
VG.
