bicycle racer
Member
not to mention that the lumens and spectrum of the sun is not repeatable indoors or the cannabinoid profile produced.
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THCV
oh i've thought it through, but hey, come trash my thread with dumb, innacturate observations, newbie. inhaling dust is different than burning dust and inhaling the smoke. VERY DIFFERENT. You need to get that into your head. And the plant ACCUMULATES dust throughout flower. When you breath in, yeah there is a little there, but when you smoke outdoor herb, you smoke it with 2 months of accumulated dust stuck to the trichomes. The human body is pretty well designed to filter the contaminates out of the air we breath, but outdoor herb concentrates the air contaminants and then you SMOKE them. Doesn't sound healthy to me. Not sure you thought it through, actually.
As for any volatile organic chemicals indoors, ie VOCs, that might be leaching out of my gear, they get caught in the recirculating carbon filters just like every other contaminant. The air in my grow is amazingly clean. Nothing beats huge carbon filters for cleaning the air. Fart in the room and you'll never smell it. Those of you with pro sealed setups know what i mean, and the glib haters can keep hating, but i speak the truth.
Cannabinoid profiles from the sun, uvb, blah blah. I get plenty high on indoor or outdoor, the main difference is with outdoor i am smoking contaminants.
As for any volatile organic chemicals indoors, ie VOCs, that might be leaching out of my gear, they get caught in the recirculating carbon filters just like every other contaminant. The air in my grow is amazingly clean. Nothing beats huge carbon filters for cleaning the air. Fart in the room and you'll never smell it. Those of you with pro sealed setups know what i mean, and the glib haters can keep hating, but i speak the truth.
Cannabinoid profiles from the sun, uvb, blah blah. I get plenty high on indoor or outdoor, the main difference is with outdoor i am smoking contaminants.
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Blue Dot
I dunno. I've seen lots of electron microscope images of trichome heads and stalks and they are suprisingly clean.
You'd think being so sticky they wouldn't be but I think it's the handling and bursting of the heads that makes them sticky. I think when they are growing on the plant they have an inate ability to "slough" dust.
Remember, it rains outside, and since water and oil don't mix and since the trichomes are basically oil then the water from the rain would just rinse off the entire plant and all the trichomes.
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THCV
well, the bud creates layers upon layers of trichs. no one layer is holding all the dust, it is distributed throughout. i have made lots of bubble with indoor and outdoor separately, and the water from the outdoor is always much darker looking than the indoor, from the dissolved dust i believe, unless it could be something else.
and imagine leaving ANYTHING outside for a month or two, let alone sticky trichomes. Would it be covered in dust? You bet. Go wipe a sponge over a rock, you'll see what i mean. And rocks aren't sticky.
and imagine leaving ANYTHING outside for a month or two, let alone sticky trichomes. Would it be covered in dust? You bet. Go wipe a sponge over a rock, you'll see what i mean. And rocks aren't sticky.
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THCV
and i agree, if it rains, the dirt gets removed partially, but i am talking about the end of flower where you would want to avoid any water hitting the buds for a month or more, or as i said you are begging for mold, which is obviously MUCH worse than dust.
You cannot wash off buds that are ready to harvest. That is different from pretty close to 100% of all other agriculture. Growing lettuce, lemons, roses etc outside is fine, you can wash them at harvest and there won't be any dust accumulated. But buds, with their layers of sticky trichs and leaf matter, trap dust, and that dust cannot be removed at harvest, even if you were willing to hose it down at the cut (mold be damned), cuz it is trapped in the layers. This will be a challenge for industrial pot agriculture once it is legal, because all true economies of scale in agri come from growing outdoors, and in this case it creates a clearly inferior product--when we are talking about MEDICINE. Try leaving a bottle of tylenol outside for a month and then tell me if you want to take those pills without washing them off. How about SMOKING them? This is so obvious.
Many of you might not care about the dust, but that doesn't take it away as a problem for people who would prefer not to smoke it. When people are choosing to replace pharma drugs with pot, they should, IMO, be able to get pure pot that is free of contaminants--after all, that is true of well made pharma drugs. That means pot grown indoors in a controlled air quality environment. Tell me where the flaw in my logic is.
You cannot wash off buds that are ready to harvest. That is different from pretty close to 100% of all other agriculture. Growing lettuce, lemons, roses etc outside is fine, you can wash them at harvest and there won't be any dust accumulated. But buds, with their layers of sticky trichs and leaf matter, trap dust, and that dust cannot be removed at harvest, even if you were willing to hose it down at the cut (mold be damned), cuz it is trapped in the layers. This will be a challenge for industrial pot agriculture once it is legal, because all true economies of scale in agri come from growing outdoors, and in this case it creates a clearly inferior product--when we are talking about MEDICINE. Try leaving a bottle of tylenol outside for a month and then tell me if you want to take those pills without washing them off. How about SMOKING them? This is so obvious.
Many of you might not care about the dust, but that doesn't take it away as a problem for people who would prefer not to smoke it. When people are choosing to replace pharma drugs with pot, they should, IMO, be able to get pure pot that is free of contaminants--after all, that is true of well made pharma drugs. That means pot grown indoors in a controlled air quality environment. Tell me where the flaw in my logic is.
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Blue Dot
Imagine an elctron microscope pic of a glandular trichome (stalk + head).
There would maybe be a couple of microns of dust coating that stalk + head but when the flame is put to it the stalk + head makes up like 99% of what is being burned in addition to the 1% dust and to think that the buring of an oil based trichome head is any better then the thin layer of dust coating it is just pure exxageration.
In other words, the dust is insignificant or negligible to what is actually being inahled.
99% of what you would be inhaling is stalk + trichome head + chlorophyll. Only 1 % is dust.
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THCV
negligible, says you! i prefer 100% pure meds. Where did you get the 1% from? it all depends on where it is grown. I prefer it nice and clean. I guess if you grew it yourself in the woods, you could smoke it and feel comfortable about the dust level. But here in Socal, NO THANKS.
And all that shit coming down in the "flood"...who knows where it was grown? OAKLAND?? Blechhh...
And all that shit coming down in the "flood"...who knows where it was grown? OAKLAND?? Blechhh...
Just vaporize and quit worrying about it....tastes way better that way anyways.
BTW, if you are tasting bad flavors from outdoor or indoor buds from that matter, it most likely is NOT dust! Not from the air anyways! It's called shitty growing....and I don't care how good it looks...it should never taste like dirt...
Way way way too many mediocre growers out there flooding the market.
BTW, if you are tasting bad flavors from outdoor or indoor buds from that matter, it most likely is NOT dust! Not from the air anyways! It's called shitty growing....and I don't care how good it looks...it should never taste like dirt...
Way way way too many mediocre growers out there flooding the market.
Harvest
Member
I think the answer will be easy to anyone who looks at this from a scientific perspective...Would you want to have more control over what your plants are doing and how they are affected and what by?! or would you rather leave them up to nature, that unforgiving bitch.. 
. I dont care what anyone says, Indoor is better, or at least capable of being better. You show me top quality of both and i bet money the indoor is taken over the outdoors, all day.
. I dont care what anyone says, Indoor is better, or at least capable of being better. You show me top quality of both and i bet money the indoor is taken over the outdoors, all day.
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THCV
B00420, i only smoke my own, hermetically grown indoor herb. I also vape it. I avoid everything else. But I have grown killer buds in and out, and the out is always dusty. Of course, it is because my outdoor spot was in socal near a freeway (like 2 miles), which is just a disgusting place for dust, it's all over everything. Many places will be better, but if you see meds and you didn't grow them and they are outdoor, you really have no idea where it was grown. Thus, i avoid anonymous grower outdoor and prefer indoor if i know nothing about the grower. Of course, i prefer indoor even if i do know the grower of the outdoor, but i'll at least try it out in that situation, don't wanna be a dick. 
Harvest, you speak truth.
Harvest, you speak truth.
TronCarter
Member
Might need to dust off your Economics textbook there...small supply doesn't mean squat without high demand, which is probably based on a combination of appearance, hype, and potency. As a very crude example, I could take three bags of weed and blow my nose in them. There would be a very small supply of this snot-weed, but would anyone want it?
Also, I don't know that I agree with the 'way smaller supply' part of it to begin with.
I can't believe it's snot cannabis!
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guest123
B00420, i only smoke my own, hermetically grown indoor herb. I also vape it. I avoid everything else. But I have grown killer buds in and out, and the out is always dusty. Of course, it is because my outdoor spot was in socal near a freeway (like 2 miles), which is just a disgusting place for dust, it's all over everything. Many places will be better, but if you see meds and you didn't grow them and they are outdoor, you really have no idea where it was grown. Thus, i avoid anonymous grower outdoor and prefer indoor if i know nothing about the grower. Of course, i prefer indoor even if i do know the grower of the outdoor, but i'll at least try it out in that situation, don't wanna be a dick.
Harvest, you speak truth.
Hmmmm, tire dust vs xxxxx....
The tire dust may smoke better.
Haven't you seen the numerous reports that show that indoor air quality is worse than outdoor air quality by an order of magnitude? With unfiltered indoor air, what most growers use, you get all the air freshener dust and other cleaner particles.... no better than
tire rubber IMO. Then when these guys bust out the avid etc, there is no way that some indoor isn't worse than some outdoor and vice versa. I find outdoor stonier and preferential when I want to feel that type of effect.
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THCV
the best medicine would be contaminant free, no one can argue against that! the only way to achieve that is indoors with killer filtration. ergo, the best medicine can only be produced indoors. this is simple.
movado, reports of indoor air quality being worse than outdoor are true--and where did you read about them? In an ad for an air filter, no doubt. Pretty much anyone running a sealed room CO2 setup has carbon filters cleaning the air inside the room 24/7. So, in a sealed room, the indoor air quality is not anything like the average room in your house. I sometimes think about using carbon filters and fans in my home, but they are so ugly and noisy. But man, they make some incredibly clean air.
as for Avid, i never use that shit, but presumably it could be used on outdoor plants just as well as indoor, like all insecticides. Insecticides are a whole separate issue; every time you smoke any ID or OD weed it could have any number of horrible pesticides if you don't know the grower (and maybe even if you do!). The only way to avoid that is to grow your own. As I said, i smoke my own only, and my clients expect the very best, and that's what they get, cuz it is the same as what i smoke. There are ways to use some pesticides that are safe, but only in veg. Presumably, there are people that use them in flower, and that is so awful. But i digress--and pesticides are a much more difficult issue for the market than dust, as they are close to undetectable without GC-MS.
Kaneh, my outdoor wasn't next to a highway, it was 2 miles. That is the case for most people who live in socal. Plus, santa ana's bring in all kinds of garbage regardless of how far you are from the freeway. I admit that in remote locations you could have "cleaner dust" as it were; i just think medicine without dust is the ideal.
And Blue Dot estimates it is only 1% of the content of your smoke, but if you smoke all day for medical reasons, that 1% ADDS UP.
movado, reports of indoor air quality being worse than outdoor are true--and where did you read about them? In an ad for an air filter, no doubt. Pretty much anyone running a sealed room CO2 setup has carbon filters cleaning the air inside the room 24/7. So, in a sealed room, the indoor air quality is not anything like the average room in your house. I sometimes think about using carbon filters and fans in my home, but they are so ugly and noisy. But man, they make some incredibly clean air.
as for Avid, i never use that shit, but presumably it could be used on outdoor plants just as well as indoor, like all insecticides. Insecticides are a whole separate issue; every time you smoke any ID or OD weed it could have any number of horrible pesticides if you don't know the grower (and maybe even if you do!). The only way to avoid that is to grow your own. As I said, i smoke my own only, and my clients expect the very best, and that's what they get, cuz it is the same as what i smoke. There are ways to use some pesticides that are safe, but only in veg. Presumably, there are people that use them in flower, and that is so awful. But i digress--and pesticides are a much more difficult issue for the market than dust, as they are close to undetectable without GC-MS.
Kaneh, my outdoor wasn't next to a highway, it was 2 miles. That is the case for most people who live in socal. Plus, santa ana's bring in all kinds of garbage regardless of how far you are from the freeway. I admit that in remote locations you could have "cleaner dust" as it were; i just think medicine without dust is the ideal.
And Blue Dot estimates it is only 1% of the content of your smoke, but if you smoke all day for medical reasons, that 1% ADDS UP.
Kaneh
Member
OK, were again talking about 2 different things.
1. Growing outdoors close to highways and big human population (=pollution). In this case well filtrated indoor grow might be cleaner.
2. Growing outdoors "in the wild". Like here were I grow, it's clean enough to do surgery. There's no way I can match my the air quality with my indoor growroom.
Materials used in house-construction in general and indoor growrooms always releases micro particles. Even if you use the cleanest M1-certified materials. So it doesn't matter how well you filtrate your air intake, you still have some degree of particles and gas in the air...
1. Growing outdoors close to highways and big human population (=pollution). In this case well filtrated indoor grow might be cleaner.
2. Growing outdoors "in the wild". Like here were I grow, it's clean enough to do surgery. There's no way I can match my the air quality with my indoor growroom.
Materials used in house-construction in general and indoor growrooms always releases micro particles. Even if you use the cleanest M1-certified materials. So it doesn't matter how well you filtrate your air intake, you still have some degree of particles and gas in the air...
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Blue Dot
but so does the other 99%.
Do you think that anything that is created from the combustion of MJ is actually a good thing, besides the minor amount of actual thc molecules, which make up a few percent of the overall combusted material.
You're focusing on the detail of dust and over-looking the bigger picture that this is a drug that is actually combusted in order to work.
If you were eating it, it would be a different story.
