H3ad goes Coco

[hilbie]

look at the top of the coco forum, theres a 56 reply thread on can u over water coco, seems more then just me prefer to appriciate ""early on"" drying a little more then u.

if your happy with watering a plant and insulting me on my methods, knowlegde, i belive u even insinuated that i cant afford water as well , then good luck with it, i dont care, my shits finally on track and its from advice contrary to yours. i cant go against what i see mate. that would be stupid. u started a thread, and u can dom it all dam day, maybe it will get past 56 replies of you saying the same thing when so many people say it your way and my way- live with it.




lighten up, smoke some of your stash, or go water board your clones into admitting they hate america-
''thats six gallons of water u little 2 inch granddaddypurple terroist clone,, whos behind the wtc , weres bin laden!!''

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

look at the top of the coco forum, theres a 56 reply thread on can u over water coco, seems more then just me prefer to appriciate ""early on"" drying a little more then u.

if your happy with watering a plant and insulting me on my methods, knowlegde, i belive u even insinuated that i cant afford water then good luck with it, i dont care, my shits finally on track and its from advice contrary to yours. i cant go against what i see mate. that would be stupid. u started a thread, and u can dom it all dam day, maybe it will get past 56 replies of you saying the same thing when so many people say it your way and my way- live with it.


lighten up, smoke some of your stash, my wordPLAY is just that-

I could care less about the opinions of 56 or 560 people... I have done the experimentation for myself and am satisfied with my conclusions...

I will germ seedlings, water them frequently like I have for the past two years, and post up the results. You will be proved half-wrong.

You are correct that treating the coco like pro-mix can be a successful method, you are wrong in saying that too much watering will harm a seedling in coco... Improper watering can promote pathogens or cause stagnation and harm a seedling... frequent watering is not improper watering however...

I'll do it side by side with seedlings treated like they were in pro-mix and allowed to dry out some... Until then, all your words are only that... words... words you may end up eating when I post up pics

 

[hilbie]

i dont know what pro mix is, and only thing im eating is the visual pleasure of watching my plants respond better when young to alowing the substrate to dry a little, no ''theory'' as you have called it, nothing ive 'read' and not actually done as youve called it. just facts. but if u want to eat that your half wrong, up to u-

i clearly stated many times that when young surrounded by non rooted coco thats wet all the time is no good, now if your in two inches of coco yes its hard to over water, but even in a beer cup your going to fuck your shit up by watering it everyday, zero theory for me. and what is your motive? do i or anyone care if u can water more. let it go-

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

i dont know what pro mix is, and only thing im eating is the visual pleasure of watching my plants respond better when young to alowing the substrate to dry a little, no ''theory'' as you have called it, nothing ive 'read' and not actually done as youve called it. just facts. but if u want to eat that your half wrong, up to u-

I'm none wrong... I've only germinated hundreds of seeds...
If it did not work like I said, I would not have said...
Proof will be posted up... Glad you've got your plants straight...
Best of luck, Thanks for your input...

 

[Thundurkel]

in what youve just talked about the key word being oxgyenated nute solution, i take it a system with a constant exchange of gases and also probally temp regulated, far diff then a pot on the cool ground thats watered n left alone. and not overwatered or im sorry thats a ironic eupahmism for under oxgenated... weve both had a back in forth on this, soon there be people responding other then us , some for my perspective some for yours, but there will be some for mine. if u can get your coco to dry out in one or two days then frequent watering rocks, if its always wet and just wont dry out it becasue your roots arent eating fast and your just going to sufficate them by overwatering underwatering oxygenating them but yes if u want to do exactly like i say and start seeds in small cups so they dry out and need frequent watering then go ahead n do what it is i already do. but if u want to put a seeling in a gallon of coco and water the shit out of it daily and show us how it grew then do it-.

''If you think your coco is overwatered, water it more often''=sounds like a waste to me, good for money grubbing water capitalist like t boon pickens and all the other capitalistic parasites who own the worlds water.

When you water your coco properly with 10-20% runoff then you are pushing out all the stagnant gasses and bringing in fresh oxygen I.E. the more times you water the more oxygen is brought to the root system and most coco mixes even state on the bag they can sit in 2-3 inches of standing water and not get water logged... I don't get what your issue is with this Hillbie doesn't seem like Head was attacking you at all cuz what he said is very true and it's been proven time and time again what you are talking about sounds more like a peat based mixed and that shit will turn into a sponge and give root rot... Happy Holidays

 

[Thundurkel]

Hey Head do you think I should lighten the 6/9 mix to 5/8 maybe 4/7 with Cutting Edge Solutions MICRO 6-0-0 and BLOOM 0-6-5 ??? I don't understand the calculators at all dude and would LOVE your help since I have gallon jugs of the CES 3part so far the 6/9 looks like it's working well I just noticed that GH was 5-0-1 and 0-5-4 so what do you think?

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Can you give me the "guaranteed analysis" info from the bottles?

 

[hilbie]

much respect guys , im out, lets bicker n reason later, owe u thx gratfulhad, after all i am rockin your formula and i like the fact that you go gentle as can be on nutes....late-

 

[Peat]

Relatively little ones...

Relatively little ones...

These sprouted over the past 24 hrs...

These clones have been vegging for 10days-ish
Hand-watered daily since rooted.
3/4.5 until new growth. (could've went longer...)
Then 6/9.

(Some / all will go on drippers when flipped.)

(Switch the dripped ones to: "4/9 in 1.5 gallons of water")


(That's moms in soil (PBP & LK) behind the coco clones.)
(They're always sneakin into pics.)

Thanks for all the input everybody!

 

[Thundurkel]

Can you give me the "guaranteed analysis" info from the bottles?

YAY!!!! Yes I can....

Cutting Edge Solutions 3 Part Nutrient series is as follows..

MICRO 6-0-0
Guaranteed Analysis

Total Nitrogen (N) 6.0%
0.3% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
5.7% Nitrate Nitrogen
Calcium (Ca) 5.0%
Colbalt (Co) 0.0005%
Boron (B) 0.02%
Iron (Fe) 0.1%
0.1% Chelated Iron (Fe)
Maganese (Mn) 0.05%
0.05% Chelated Maganese (mn)
Molybdenum (Mo) 0.0008%

Derived from: Sodium Molybdate, Calcium Nitrate, Zinc Nitrate, Boric Acid, Colbalt Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Manganese,EDTA, Iron EDDHA, Iron DPTA

BLOOM 0-6-5
Guaranteed Analysis

Available Phosphate (P2O5) 6.0%
Soluble Potash (K2O) 5.0%
Magnesium (Mg) 1.0%
Sulfur (S) 2.0%
2.0% Combined Sulfur

Derived From: Magnesium Phosphate, Phosphoric Acid, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Sulfate

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

6/10
+ a little Cal/mag

is how it looks to sort out... I'll try and figure the amt of cal-mag later on...

 

[rooted]

i dont know what pro mix is, and only thing im eating is the visual pleasure of watching my plants respond better when young to alowing the substrate to dry a little, no ''theory'' as you have called it, nothing ive 'read' and not actually done as youve called it. just facts. but if u want to eat that your half wrong, up to u-

i clearly stated many times that when young surrounded by non rooted coco thats wet all the time is no good, now if your in two inches of coco yes its hard to over water, but even in a beer cup your going to fuck your shit up by watering it everyday, zero theory for me. and what is your motive? do i or anyone care if u can water more. let it go-

guy, you are the one who needs to let it go

you don't know promix from your elbow, and you're trying to tell h3ad he's loony?

and i thought trolls retreated to cavernous buttholes for winter hibernation...

your recovering plants are no justification for disrespecting growers that are far more experienced and accomplished than you'll ever understand.

so many factors at work, and you can't just be happy that your plants aren't dead, yet?

 

[chemsteady]

hilbie...

hilbie...

yo man, he s right. i was kinda chuckling to myself reading you guys going back and forth. h3ad probably gets a new grower every six months or so questioning his methods, has to suck for him, ya know?
i mean, he didn t HAVE to give you HIS method of irrigation, or HIS formula...but he did. he s doing us a favor.

trust me, nobody (when i read the thread the first few times, at least) has ever complained to h3ad about his methods not working, quite the opposite, rather. you read the whole thread, right?

because if you had, youda seen me getting into the same debate with h3ad, arguing much what you have, about three or four pages back. got me in such an uproar, that i went out and started to water some cuttings i had, whenever i thought about it, maybe three, four times a day...goddamn plants took off. no lie.

its all good, i understand what youre saying, and i think h3ad will agree, SOME drying has to occur, but its not anywhere near the timeframe youre suggesting. the drying in coco occurs right away, because the material itself is so porous. it looks soaked, but within the coco there are tons of tiny spaces filled with air. the air is replaced when we irrigate. sabes?

anyhow, im just saying what were all saying. give it a try, with the appropriate plant to pot ratio, and you ll probably come back and thank h3ad. we all eventually do, especially if you ve ever had his pot.

peace hilbie, h3ad, closet hacks and growers.
~c

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

SOME drying has to occur, but its not anywhere near the timeframe youre suggesting. the drying in coco occurs right away, because the material itself is so porous. it looks soaked, but within the coco there are tons of tiny spaces filled with air. the air is replaced when we irrigate. sabes?

peace hilbie, h3ad, closet hacks and growers.
~c

exactly... If you will permit me using "air exchange" instead of "drying"...

Every time you water your coco, the nute solution temporarily (a minute or three) occupies most of the space in the coco, forcing the old air out... as the nute drains thru it pushes old stagnant nute out of the bottom and draws fresh air into the spaces in the coco momentarily occupied by the nutrient flow. Every watering provides a fresh breath of air, and drink of fresh food.

 

[chemsteady]

hehe...

hehe...

thats fine, h3ad, ill permit that...
~c

 

[hilbie]

its still very much like i said though, u cant water a large container with a seedling or young plant all the time fully if its not rooted strong becasue it wont respond, you guys (peat) are showing me exactly what i said could be done, a very small container can be watered alot with early plants n seedlings, what dont u guys get,that u agree with me? the growing a seedling in sopping wet coco that wont dry out for 7 days i dont care to see and im not waiting for and i owe the thx i gave to gratefulhad already, not u peat or your ''your lucky your plants arent dead yet''..lighten up-

this isnt personal-

i looked up promix, wow i never heard of mixing vermiculite n perlite with peat??? alteast not doing so and calling it ''promix''..u do know alot peat about peat with theese two additiives, coincidence?

''with the appropriate plant to pot ratio''- great point chem , did u read what i wrote as yes ive read the thread, this is my only point to make, if your pots are two big initially it fucks up your growth and if its appropriately sized all is good, water your heart out, an yes the more water almost the better for your plant.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

its still very much like i said though, u cant water a container with a seedling or young plant all the time fully if its not rooted strong becasue it wont respond, you guys (peat) are showing me exactly what i said could be done, a very small container can be watered alot with early plants n seedlings, what dont u guys get,that u agree with me? the growing a seedling in sopping wet coco i dont care to see. and i owe the thx i gave to gratefulhad already, not u peat or your ''your lucky your plants arent dead yet''..lighten up

this isnt personal-

You absolutely can water a seedling which is in a container it has not fully rooted and have it respond with nice rapid healthy growth... If you put it in too big of a container you'll have to use alot of nutrient to water often enough, so it would by contrary to common sense to put a seedling into the container you'll be flowering in... If you have enough holes in your container and water frequently enough, you'll never see "sopping wet coco"...

You don't have to follow my methods, but it is pretty damn stupid to tell me something I watch work over and over and over, can't work... It is getting tiresome reading your mantra of "you can't" when I and others have been...

You are welcome for any thing which you feel thankful for, and I thank you for your input into the thread...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

"i looked up promix, wow i never heard of mixing vermiculite n perlite with peat??? alteast not doing so and calling it ''promix''..u do know alot peat about peat with theese two additiives, coincidence?"

No it is not coincidence... lmao
I've been growing for nearly 2 decades, and for a long time the commercially available pro-mix was the standard grow medium...
Pro-mix was easy to get long before coco was...

Most comercial nurseries still use pro-mix...
Every other greenhouse I drive by has bales and bales of promix out back...

What would be weird is a grower NOT knowing what pro-mix was...

 

[hilbie]

what do u think of botanicare coco bails? 5kg of compressed coco. its what ive been useing.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

what do u think of botanicare coco bails?

I like them better than some of the other bales the local shop has stocked... I like to see alot of fiber in my coco... some of the other brands were too finely ground and alot of dust washed out...