H3ad goes Coco

[Peat]

Thanks SSA

I see a P/K boost experiment, or 2, in my future.

But, I've gotta stick with the basic formula with these two.
Get a feel for things. Set some benchmarks. Etc...

Maybe I could've gone 3/4.5 a little longer, to "keep the P low for the first 2 wks". Before switching to full strength 6/9.

Interesting note about the hybrids not liking the P/K boosts.
I didn't know that, but I can understand that line of reasoning.

She's a SSH.
And, as you can tell, a little sensitive.

 

[krushonkush]

Looks great Peat.
Handwater for the win!!! (for me )

 

[*mistress*]

There's a little "clawing"
But, this particular lady ALWAYS claws a little...

maybe need more nitrogen thru out flowering...
similar cultivar that had similar issues... added more nitrogen, iron & magnesium to diet & they grow regular leaves... foliar w/ silica may also help... mainly lack of nitrogen. they seem to like even (~1:1:1) levels of n @ least until wk 6...

jacks classic 20-20-20 water soluble plant food, or similar 10+%n fert (gh floramagic 10-8-18) usually corrects clawed leaves.

enjoy your garden!

 

[HIGHGROOVE]

hey guys jsut wanted your thoughts been handwatering stright coco about every 3 days ppms got as high as 1250 once my question is it necessary to flush in your opinion?

 

[Juice_Box]

you probably didn't have enough runoff then.

when you water you want the new solution to wash out the stuff from the previous day and replace it with fresh nutes and oxygen

 

[YosemiteSam]

my minor contribution

my minor contribution

I keep my mommas in coco and hand feed them drain to waste. To be honest I have been stunned by the results I have gotten since switching them to this formula...the healthiest, most quickly recovering from chopping plants I have ever seen.

These are pics of an AK47 momma before I chopped the shit out of her and just less than 2 weeks later...I totally apologize for not taking pics right after the chop. Now I did feed her twice a day during that 2 weeks (want em to grow faster, feed em more often, want to slow them down, feed em less often...that freakin simple)





Thank you H3ad...now if you would just come up with a recirculating for ebb and flow in coco formula

 

[jonezin]

Can someone please help me figure something out with this?

I don't have GH flora micro and bloom. I am trying to figure out if I have something that I can use in place of those to get the same nutrient profile.

I have: Fox Farms Grow Big, Tiger Bloom and Big Bloom. I also have their Open Sesame, Beastie Bloomz and Cha Ching. Pure Blend Pro Grow and Bloom, Silica Blast, Sweet, Cal Mag+ and their Liquid Karma. I also have Roots Organics Bloom and Trinity. Last but not least I have Nitrozime and Maxicrop.

So does anyone know if I can use any of those to create the same nutrient profile that H3AD is using for this? If not, I guess I'll be needing to buy some more nutrients. If I do end up having to buy more nutrients, should I just go with some Coco specific nutrients? H3AD said in the beginning of this thread that he only used GH flora micro and bloom because he already had it on hand. So I'm just wondering if I would be better off getting Coco specific nutrients?

Thanks for the help.

 

[hilbie]

my feeding schedule is feed them untill there full then just add water without run off so as the keep nutrients in solution in the medium. what i mean is that when my girls claw i back of for a few days and resume with a light feed, im amazed some of guys have theese problems and just keep feeding even though your leaves are dark ass green and clawing and looseing there juiciness. i fed two ppp last year, one floranova bloom and the other the same but switched to shultz one day at high levels to see what would happen. had claws the next day, flushed the shit out of it and returend to normal in a day in a half to two days. the trick to coco is the art of watering and a steady increase of nutes untill u max out and then a tappering down untill u get to the flush, the medium responds so quickly that theres no reason to constantly hammer your girls with tons of nutes., if they show def you can correct it in like a day or two, this isnt soil were each mistake cost u a week to fix.

 

[Thundurkel]

Can someone please help me figure something out with this?

I don't have GH flora micro and bloom. I am trying to figure out if I have something that I can use in place of those to get the same nutrient profile.

I have: Fox Farms Grow Big, Tiger Bloom and Big Bloom. I also have their Open Sesame, Beastie Bloomz and Cha Ching. Pure Blend Pro Grow and Bloom, Silica Blast, Sweet, Cal Mag+ and their Liquid Karma. I also have Roots Organics Bloom and Trinity. Last but not least I have Nitrozime and Maxicrop.

So does anyone know if I can use any of those to create the same nutrient profile that H3AD is using for this? If not, I guess I'll be needing to buy some more nutrients. If I do end up having to buy more nutrients, should I just go with some Coco specific nutrients? H3AD said in the beginning of this thread that he only used GH flora micro and bloom because he already had it on hand. So I'm just wondering if I would be better off getting Coco specific nutrients?

Thanks for the help.

I was in the same situation as you and Head never gave me a answer so I just kinda reduced the Lucas formula with PBP Bloom and I think it's working out pretty well..

10ml PBP Bloom 5ml Calplex is what I have been using and my girls love it!
I'm also trying out Cutting Edge Solutions Micro and Bloom using Head's 6/9 mix and it looks like it will work out. The PH sits right at 6.0 when mixed with my tap water which is at 7.5 - 8.5 and that's awesome for me cuz I HATE messing with PH...

 

[jonezin]

Thanks for the help. I have sent H3AD a few PM's myself and never gotten a reply. I only sent the PM's because I've seen him offer to help people out if they need it, and said to just let him know, but I never get a reply so......

Anyway, I have a few that just sprouted in straight coco and I can't wait to see how they turn out.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Sorry guys...
been busy of late... I should have requested the bottle info on your various nutes and figured up something, I guess... If you use the info on your bottles and plug it into the calculator here: http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm then you can figure concentrations for just about anything... That's the calc I use...

 

[hilbie]

botanicare coco, gh micro n bloom and midwestern tap water filtered brita style= work or not work?? should i atleast get a ph test kit n ph up and down.

im running this without filtering my water, ph tested my nutes and their at about 6, i have ph drops so exactly i cant tell, plants loooooook so healthy though, the new leaves actually shine n look plump n juicy, i think the 6/9 seems pretty good so far, previous run was with 8ml of floranova bloom. im happy and understanding my coco more n more.

 

[hilbie]

agree with most things in this post except the need to water every day or that more waterings make plants grow faster, completely wrong in my expirence, early on u need to let coco dry out or your going to rot your roots, of course this depends on your container size , but let me say that seedlings in beer cups is too much coco and youll have probs unless u have high temps, i was just educated days ago from another coco grower who starts seeds in two inches of coco in four inch cups, he has to water daily even from the jump and basically and gets 5 true sets of leaves by his third week, dont i repeat dont over water your young coco plants, let them dry up a little and watch them shoot up and perk up in no time, daily watering unless the coco really dries out early on is a disaster in my experience, im running low watts keep in mind, judge by weight n appearacne, of your own operation and proceed from there but if your girls are frumpy and slowly growing your overwatering, after the plants a foot tall and in her final coco resting place u really cant overwater i totally agree from my own experience, one your there coco is always perky, always.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

agree with most things in this post except the need to water every day or that more waterings make plants grow faster, completely wrong in my expirence, early on u need to let coco dry out or your going to rot your roots, of course this depends on your container size , but let me say that seedlings in beer cups is too much coco and youll have probs unless u have high temps, i was just educated days ago from another coco grower who starts seeds in two inches of coco in four inch cups, he has to water daily even from the jump and basically and gets 5 true sets of leaves by his third week, dont i repeat dont over water your young coco plants, let them dry up a little and watch them shoot up and perk up in no time, daily watering unless the coco really dries out early on is a disaster in my experience, im running low watts keep in mind, judge by weight n appearacne, of your own operation and proceed from there but if your girls are frumpy and slowly growing your overwatering, after the plants a foot tall and in her final coco resting place u really cant overwater i totally agree from my own experience, one your there coco is always perky, always.

Sorry you are wrong about the watering. If you think you are overwatering you can correct it by watering more... I've done it over and over for a few years now...

You can also correct it by allowing the coco to dry 'just right' but if you simply water more often you can correct it too...

Starting seeds in smaller containers is a good way to prevent surrounding your seedling's roots with stagnant medium, though...
I always start seedlings in small containers...

As long as you are exchanging the nute solution often enough you cannot overwater coco... If you think you are overwatering your coco, then water more often with more runoff, and it will correct the problem...

Allowing the coco to dry out some, treating it like pro-mix, is ONE way to try and prevent overwatering, you are correct there... But Watering more will also prevent overwatering... It ain't theory, It's what has been working in my garden for a couple of years now...

More watering = faster growth, following my methods... I watch it in action all the time... controlling watering frequency is how I time my rotation properly... If I need them to slow down, I treat the coco like pro-mix... If I need them to speed up, I treat it like coco and water several times daily...

 

[Peat]

I'll second that, Head.

I can see this in my garden.
It is easily & clearly observable.

The overnight growth rate from the constant consistant drip of the Blumat is outragous
& a little scary.

My already stretchy SSH, stretched herself right out of my garden.


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Handwatered clone:

Blumat Dripper clone:

My SSH is notorious for clawing.
But, that's alot of claw! Even for her.
(Maybe too much plant for the pot?)

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For my next trick, I may need to turn down the drippers a bit.

But,
then I won't get any run-off.
So,
I'm considering the ocassional hand-watering if lockout becomes an issue, and for flushing at the end.

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Disclaimer:
This is my first time in coco
& first time with 6/9.
& first time with Blumat drippers.

I might be in over my h3ad.
But, I figure to just tr3ad water throught the learning curve.

Not really worried about a perfect swim stroke this time.
...more concerned with not having an arterial stroke.

 

[hilbie]

if u water coco before its roots have filled out your container u stagnate growth and make the plant weep, u back of the water for a day and plants shoot up an inch or two and perk right up, im talking about new seedlings that have yet to put out a substantial root ball yet, even in this thread people agree with my points and other places on the coco thread as well, just my experience, coco as a wet sponge which is what it is in a container without roots to suck it up chokes plants n kills roots, and theres less air in fully wet coco then partially wet, yes u exchange gases when u water like crazy but then of course u stiffle them by it being to wet, this again when the plants just getting its bearings, not when its already established, then i agree with u.

re read my post u have a problem with, i use low watts, its winter, my room might not be like your multi thousand watter drying out the medium as fast-

''Watering more will also prevent overwatering''... your funny gratfulhad-

peat, your ssh is innocent, your notorious for over feeding, and if you read my post which obviously u did but not to mindfully u would see im talking about new plants, not 3ft tall plants in small containers-

 

[Peat]

Over feeding @ 6/9?

 

[Peat]

I'm not talking about your plants LOL

 

[cocktail frank]

peat,
too much N in the mix.
plant will also do the claw if its not getting enough light to work them nutes.
has she grown past the light?
i would get some claw if a plant grew past the point of useful light.
top it to get all the sites under the light.

 

[hilbie]

PEat,,even the starter of this thread on this thread speaks of his plants getting nute burn, YOU HAVE TO FEED THE PLANT, NOT THE MEDIUM!!! back of the nutes- and u should just edit your post instead of posting two in a row, its on the lower right hand ..lol

there is no magic perfect daily number in a one size fits all-