Earth Juice Bloom & Budswel If you OWN this you Can Help!

[Centrum]

I bought some Budswel and Earth Juice bloom
from a company i have never shopped with before.


( The Guano Company Liquid Budswel )

I opened up the budswel and it smelled like stagnate water i tested the ppms (hanna) for the entire gallon jug it was 697ppm.
When i add this to my water it does nothing for the PPMs i think it was diluted or its just a bullshit product.


If anyone out there has some they could test the PPM's from there Jug and let me know i would greatly Appreciate.
If you smell guano's its a high pitch shit smell, but its a whole different smell from stagnate water is like something foul and rotten.This is why i think its BS.


Earth Juice Bloom
I also got some earth juice bloom I tested this it was 8895 PPMs from the jug.
This is a milky cream colored liquid that bubbles up when you shake it up kinda like a milkshake.
If someone owns this product and can confirm the PPMS to be in the 8500 area ( hanna ppm) for me i would appreciate it. But confirming the milky like liquid form would be enough.


I mostly concerned with the Budswel, i don't think the company i ordered from would risk watering down there products and lose there customers.

+rep for help.

Thanks
take care

 

[indifferent]

I don't have any Budswel as it's not for sale in the UK, but it's stated NPK is 0-7-0.

I do have some No Mercy liquid bat guano here, which is 2-15-2, so basically twice the strength of Budswel.

I stuck my truncheon in ti and it reads around ec 1.2, which according to the printing on my truncheon is 600-700ppm (I never used ppms) so sounds to me like your Budswel is fine.

I know I can add a lot of liquid guano to my feeds without bumping up the ec much, it's nigh-on impossible to burn plants with it. It does increase yield, but not like a chemical pk booster can, but it does increase taste a bit, especially when used alongside worm casts, molasses and kelp.

 

[Centrum]

Hmmm.
Could be im having a hard time grasping the concept of adding nutrients to my water and only seeing the ppms go up by 10.

The cynical side of me says this is a tea made from guano and castings, and its being sold in the gallon jugs with the impression that its a concentrate. ( on the label " A little Goes a Long Way".)

This leads me to think in a reality-grow that 1 gallon of budswel would last someone with a 600 watt grow using say 3 -5 gallons of water every feed, about 5 or 6 waterings.

The stagnation is also a concern, it seems like the company ( if it wasn't watered down afterward) made some tea with guano's and castings.

As far as i know you cant store tea.
I was always under the impression you needed to use it up within 48hrs ( MAX) after mixing/bubbling it.
If you can store tea you cannot store in a non-lightproof container without some form of heating and sealing at best.
Stagnated water is dead water there is nothing good about that for any plants as far as i am aware.

Now lets just pretend you can store tea, once you crack the seal on your container your product is going to start to decompose and because there is no fresh oxygen to your 99% water 1% guano -castings we are going to experience a wretched stagnation.



I think i am gonna have to say Budswel unless bought fresh within 48 hours after its made and used within those 48 hours is BULLSH*T.

 

[Centrum]

I don't have any Budswel as it's not for sale in the UK, but it's stated NPK is 0-7-0.

I do have some No Mercy liquid bat guano here, which is 2-15-2, so basically twice the strength of Budswel.

I stuck my truncheon in ti and it reads around ec 1.2, which according to the printing on my truncheon is 600-700ppm (I never used ppms) so sounds to me like your Budswel is fine.

I know I can add a lot of liquid guano to my feeds without bumping up the ec much, it's nigh-on impossible to burn plants with it. It does increase yield, but not like a chemical pk booster can, but it does increase taste a bit, especially when used alongside worm casts, molasses and kelp.

I think the difference is your liquid Guano is probably a thick substance. I'm guessing its probably 60/40 Guano to water ratio which would make it thick but watery enough to escape from the bottle and use without drying up in the bottle.

The budswel i have is like 100% colored stagnant water. The concentrate guano would have been a better choice i believe.

 

[krunchbubble]

when i worked at a hydro shop years ago, an earth juice rep came in one time. we are talking and everything and i ask, what do you use?
he says gh. im like, what? and you work for earth juice? he said, ya! the batches that they mix for there nutrients are so inconsistent, that there is no way i would use it.
that said, ive never even had the thought cross my mind of trying earth juice......

 

[Centrum]

krunchbubble
Im using the Floranova series, but it seems to keep hair production going a little more then i like.
I wanted to add something to flowering and just grabbed the earthjuice on a whim.
I guess i should have grabbed the FloraBloom and just half and half with my Floranova bloom.
Sometimes i don't think straight.
lol

 

[Centrum]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to krunchbubble again.

 

[indifferent]

I think the difference is your liquid Guano is probably a thick substance. I'm guessing its probably 60/40 Guano to water ratio which would make it thick but watery enough to escape from the bottle and use without drying up in the bottle.

The budswel i have is like 100% colored stagnant water. The concentrate guano would have been a better choice i believe.

Not sure, but the No Mercy stuff is clear and not thick at all, no smell to it either, looks like water really.

Perhaps you should buy dry guano and just make up small batches of guano tea with it as you need?

Guano rocks though, really does enhance taste and boost yield.

 

[Centrum]

Hmm, indifferent you say its clear and the ppm is between 600- 700 on your No Mercy liquid bat guano.

Do you use large amounts in feeding ?

 

[Guest 18340]

krunchbubble
Im using the Floranova series, but it seems to keep hair production going a little more then i like.
I wanted to add something to flowering and just grabbed the earthjuice on a whim.
I guess i should have grabbed the FloraBloom and just half and half with my Floranova bloom.
Sometimes i don't think straight.
lol

Just curious as to why you would want to mix GH flora Bloom with Floranova Bloom? What are you trying to achieve by mixing the two?
Not being a wise ass, just curious since most people add pk boosters and such to either the FNB or the FB, not mix the two together. Or did I read things wrong? (I'm stoned so...lol)

 

[Centrum]

I like the the floranova bloom , but i think it still has too much nitro in it.
I guess i wouldn't have to add the nova and florabloom together, but then it would defeat having to get the nova series and i would have to get the GH 3 part series.

Hmm i dont know, i think adding a booster is the intelligent thing to do huh, i never claimed intelligence thanks Evlme2



The whole point of this thread was to find out if i bought watered down nutes.
lol

I hate buying new stuff because it complicates things.
Next Order i will stick with Floranova bloom and add some KoolBloom as the booster.
Keep it simple.

 

[indifferent]

Keep it simple.

You just reached enlightenment, young grasshopper!

I'm guilty of over complicating these myself a lot of the time, but it is better to just let em do their stuff.

 

[theJointedOne]

ok so i live very close to where earth juice is made, around here is is very popular but as an above post mentioned it is inconsistant in its thickness as a liquid. I have gotten 5 gallon buckets of the ej grow only to open it and have a thick ass mud product.

the thing is that ej is really hard to over do, so the thicker the better i say. it has never been to thin only way thick.

now i dont use the ej bloom, just the veg. but the bloom is good it just needs an organic bloom booster to go with it

if outdoors i recommend makng a great but simple soil base and feeding with maxicrop heavy and earth juice twice recomended. also foiler with the maxi and do homemade guano teas wth a bubbler and a 5 gallon bucket, costs like 20 bucks for it all and lasts long time

you will have monsters

 

[stoneyguy84]

i have a question i was useing 3 part gh nutes but this go around i bought sensi 2 part grow and the 2 part bloom but it does not say how much of each part per gallon does any one know if they can help

 

[DRorganic]

i used budswell in the bottle and all it is is watered down nutrients.its best to buy the dry
budswell in the bag. as far as earth juice bloom its some of the best organic bloom fertilizer
i have use.and it is a thick milk shake and sweet smelling fertilizer. and pure blend pro for soil. is all i will use. right now i am earth juice right now with some roots organic bloom boost. with earth worm castings and molasses.

 

[Butte_Creek]

everyone i know uses earth juice at one point or another around here, with success. what paradigm are you trying to follow? mainly used outdoors around here, which it's great for.

it's fully organic. it's amendments in a bottle of water, that are a little faster at becoming food for your plants. and it's cheaper than anything else in a bottle.

everyone i've talked to tells me organic fertilizer can not be properly measured in ppm or ec. i assume it's because organic fertilizer is organic matter, it's not in ionic form, and not readily available for plants to use, the microbes must first cycle the matter into nutrients. also, when microbes consume organic matter, they keep some of it for themselves, not all of it becomes food for the plants.

i like they're catalyst, which i'll use every week or two. they're bloom is good. i'll use they're bloom and catalyst a little bit during flower outdoors, ej is pretty popular among outdoor growers.

earth juice is great for your microbes, it's food. read the ingredients. don't expect great success with it if remaining in the hydro paradigm, measuring ec, using sterile inert medium etc. it's for soil(broadly speaking) that has beneficials and is actively part of the nutrient cycle loop. if your using organic soup-y nutrients, stop measuring ppm/ec, i've only heard it's pointless anyways, if anything completely unnecessary. and the more i think about how nutrient cycling works, the more i realize how impossible it would be to get an accurate ppm/ec reading from organic fertilizer.

the organic paradigm and the hydro paradigm are two different models for growing a plant.

 

[DRorganic]

Butte_Creek is right the organic nutrients have to be broken down by the microbial life in the soil so the plant can then take it up. you should consider top dressing with bat guano and a good bloom fertilizer like bud swell in powder form. or regular bloom bat guano. as long as there is plenty of lime you do not need all of the ph pin or ecc stuff. i do have a ph pen . but i use it when i cut clones .

 

[supermanlives]

i been using ej a long time . no issues at all. never liked budswell. with ej bllom and meta k i find no need for budswell

 

[Marquis de Sod]

i like what's been hapnin with the liquid budswel. my latest bottle smells so strong like a sulpher hot spring tho. (the first one didnt) i have gone thru one gallon, then on to the dry bag when the store was out. mix it with my watering. havent made tea, dont see any directions for making or anything saying to make tea out of it on the bag. figured why wait for it to dissolve into the dirt, when i can just pour the liquid into the water and feed them right NOW. i mix carbs in with it. i think the plants like it a lot. it might be diluted but at least it wont kill my plants either.......so far

(ps i dont have a ppm meter)