why not other animals than fish for emulsions

[jjfoo]

Why not use any scrap animal parts like beef, chicken, etc for making an emulsion?

 

[maryjohn]

because those are called hot dogs.

 

[jjfoo]

I'm not asking what the people call it, people call guano shit. I'm asking why can't I use old beef, livers, even whole chickens to make fertiliser?

I've seen debates about using urine and the same guy who is dumping in rotted fish and dried blood says, "that's gross" to urine. What would be the problem with mixing hot dogs with a carbon source and composting it?

 

[Gm421]

Im not sure on whole chickens? But chicken and turkey shit can work wonders

 

[maryjohn]

I'm not asking what the people call it, people call guano shit. I'm asking why can't I use old beef, livers, even whole chickens to make fertiliser?

I've seen debates about using urine and the same guy who is dumping in rotted fish and dried blood says, "that's gross" to urine. What would be the problem with mixing hot dogs with a carbon source and composting it?

I put meat in my bokashi bin, then I feed it to my worms. Is that what you mean? The issue is that it can attract pests, and if it contains pathogens those can multiply. Thus I bokashi the stuff.

My first reply was a humurous (I thought) way to point out that there is we don't make emulsion from those things because we would have to compete with a market for mechanically seperated chicken, pig scraps, and beef scraps. In modern factory farming, these become hot dogs, ground beef in a tube, bologna, etc...

I don't believe fish hydrolysate is made from rotting fish.

And plenty of us have no problem with urine. I used to use it myself, but I can't now.

 

[JackTheGrower]

because those are called hot dogs.

MJ has it on the head there.. There is little meat that gets left over. If you really knew how hotdogs are made.. Well.. I eat them but only beef because I haven't actually seen how Beef are made but I assume it's no different.

Now what is left is called Post Consumer and is off to the pet food and beyond.

Now meat meal is a commodity and one can buy it in bulk as are many non human food stuffs that go into animal feed.

I assume fish products are just the Post Consumer part of the fish industry.

Meat in general is not a nice soil additive. It contributes to a class of critters that will come such as those flies that shouldn't have been there I had this Summer.

 

[JackTheGrower]

I put meat in my bokashi bin, then I feed it to my worms. Is that what you mean? The issue is that it can attract pests, and if it contains pathogens those can multiply. Thus I bokashi the stuff.

My first reply was a humurous (I thought) way to point out that there is we don't make emulsion from those things because we would have to compete with a market for mechanically seperated chicken, pig scraps, and beef scraps. In modern factory farming, these become hot dogs, ground beef in a tube, bologna, etc...

I don't believe fish hydrolysate is made from rotting fish.

And plenty of us have no problem with urine. I used to use it myself, but I can't now.

I have tested Urine on clones i didn't plan to use and it works very well. I don't trust the human body to produce extremely clean anything with all the processed crap we eat including medicines. Also it was diluted with other liquid materials.

I remember reading an interesting link how up to date it is I can't say at this time I forget and I will re-read it after I post the link. http://rainyside.com/resources/fishfert.html

 

[jjfoo]

I put meat in my bokashi bin, then I feed it to my worms. Is that what you mean? The issue is that it can attract pests, and if it contains pathogens those can multiply. Thus I bokashi the stuff.

wow, I never heard of this, can this safely do dog shit?

I plan to set up a bin ASAP
why not put fish in here?

my question is why diferentiate between fish and other protein sources?

My first reply was a humurous (I thought) way to point out that there is we don't make emulsion from those things because we would have to compete with a market for mechanically seperated chicken, pig scraps, and beef scraps. In modern factory farming, these become hot dogs, ground beef in a tube, bologna, etc...

so why don't home gardeners do it?

I don't believe fish hydrolysate is made from rotting fish.

as far as I know people commonly make fish emulsion at home with fish

why not beef hydrolystate?

 

[jjfoo]

Meat in general is not a nice soil additive. It contributes to a class of critters that will come such as those flies that shouldn't have been there I had this Summer.

I'm not saying to put meat in my yard, I'm saying to compost meat the same way we compost fish.

rotting fish in my yard will also attract pests

 

[mpd]

I use ground-up organic food consultants. They have a surprisingly high amount of shit to them.

Remember, you asked...

 

[unclefishstick]

because those are called hot dogs.

IT'S ....MADE..FROM...PEOPLE!!!!!

 

[Ganja baba]

wow, I never heard of this, can this safely do dog shit?

I plan to set up a bin ASAP
why not put fish in here?

my question is why diferentiate between fish and other protein sources?


so why don't home gardeners do it?
as far as I know people commonly make fish emulsion at home with fish

why not beef hydrolystate?

fish emultion is high in nitrogen , and is cheap think thats why its used

 

[mpd]

But if you come to my house I'll fix you up with all the dog shit you could ask for - it's high in everything (including odor) - and free. Just bring a (sizable) bucket.

 

[JackTheGrower]

I'm not saying to put meat in my yard, I'm saying to compost meat the same way we compost fish.

rotting fish in my yard will also attract pests

It's old Organic gardening advice and it works on several levels.

Odor, pests, pathogens, rodants and maybe more.

I mean adding a couple dead guinea pigs to a huge active compost pile doesn't cause too much problem I found but I'd be damn stupid to try to compost a small horse.

What can be done with meat meal? I dono.. I haven't done the bokashi thing but I did Black Soldier flies this year and I'm turned off of meat even though they ate it all.. It's just nasty and opened the compost to a different realm.

I got to admit I took a whole fryer chicken and did the BBQ but it was really dry so 30% of the chicken on the bone went in the BSF bin.. I watch that carcass sink in one hour. The next day it was a hunt to find all the bones.

Still fun once nasty after.

 

[jjfoo]

I just ordered some septic tank culture and some bokashi culture. Maybe they are the same thing, but I'm going to try them both out.

 

[wuzzenme]

Actually I thought that blood meal was scraps from cows, etc including some of the meat, now just the blood as the name would imply. Maybe we should call bloodmeal "Cow Emulsion."

 

[foomar]

Why not use any scrap animal parts like beef, chicken, etc for making an emulsion?

Possibly because there are few or no human deseases that can be carried by fish , unlike cattle , pigs and poultry which can all harbour pathogens esp if not properly composted.

 

[maryjohn]

my blood meal is pig. "porcine", it says.

I think it's made from the buckets and buckets that drain off? Basically a bag o scabs.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Well lets be clear here. We have to slit the throats and let them bleed out when we process animals.

With turkeys we called it the blood tunnel. Not fun to have to go in to fix things mid day IMO..

 

[maryjohn]

where did you get the bokashi culture?