yes i have tried it. I have added it on many occasion to my reservoir - but must add that i had already beaten the slime at this point with microbes from a pond filter. However it is a very potent source of exactly what is needed and I would be very confident. I could literally drown you in the stuff, if only I could give you some so we could test it. As Itsgrowtime says try the bottled stuff because it obviously cant wait.
Strange Slime buildup on roots
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I read up on making bokashi juice. It looks like a good idea. What looks sweet is that you can have a tap on the bottom of the composter (bucket, etc.) and take juice as needed to add to rez. Would be easier and more fresh than making and storing worm poop (EWC). I'm gonna try it soon.
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W.P.
A lot of misconceptions on here and a lot of really good advise. I run tables as well 4+ years experience there, and at times had to battle Brown Algae seems only to happen at start or after adding a zyme or glucose product or superthrive. H202 will kinda of make it change but ultimately could not get rid of it. Even while using Aquashield or any Bacillus subtilis
Paenibacillus polymxa, Bacillus circulans,,Bacillus amyloliquefaciens.
Till one day after some one posted about some cheap-o pond enzyme crap..... found at Lowes lol and it is supper concentrated 5$ only thing i have ever tried that worked, while not killing every thing.
Ps i run Aquaguard and Hydrozyme as preventative measure w/ 95 success vs any water contaminates now.
You might not have a Lowes in the Uk but i know you have some DIY store that carries stuff for ponds ....
Paenibacillus polymxa, Bacillus circulans,,Bacillus amyloliquefaciens.
Till one day after some one posted about some cheap-o pond enzyme crap..... found at Lowes lol and it is supper concentrated 5$ only thing i have ever tried that worked, while not killing every thing.
Ps i run Aquaguard and Hydrozyme as preventative measure w/ 95 success vs any water contaminates now.
You might not have a Lowes in the Uk but i know you have some DIY store that carries stuff for ponds ....
elito
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so its safe to use in hydro,can u tell me what do u mean microbs from a pond filter
do u know the composition of it like u posted for the EWC
what nutes are you using? did i read organic hydro?may be high...
in one res i have organic nutes but mostly non organic
i live a far way from england and my countrys like the third world so im having hard time dealing with everything,im still reading through the whole thread so i dont wana ask the same questions somebody probably did,richy what do u think about the Potassium Permanganate,im gonn try it tomorow like the dose in the post here
http://en.engormix.com/MA-aquaculture/articles/the-use-potassium-permanganate_896.htm
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W.P.
Sorry thought you were uk, just trying to give you some ideas that might NOT involve Hydro stores and involve common items. Besides I have tried many ways in this thread and most are better if you start them first EWC (etc,etc...: more preventative IMOP ) then if you have the muck already . Psy20 works if have muck already (which you can't get) and so does cheap-o pond clearing zymes. Other then that it's up hill battle.
Good luck with the water herpes.
Good luck with the water herpes.
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Red Swan
Haven't read the whole thread , but this happened to me. I had some Kelp extract Ive been foliar feeding with. The bottle said add to hydro systems too. My whole Rez slimed, the ph jumped to 9 and nute lock out occured.
Drained Rez, ran H2o2 and water through system. Flushed with clearex. Added new nute solution and added an airstone to the Rez. I used SM 90 in all rinses and new nutes. New growth looks good. I'm not organic hydro, not worth the headache. GH 3 part, calmag. Budswel in flower. Now I'm a fan of SM-90, kills the nasties, lubes your fittings and kills Spider Mites and PM. Can't beat it.
Drained Rez, ran H2o2 and water through system. Flushed with clearex. Added new nute solution and added an airstone to the Rez. I used SM 90 in all rinses and new nutes. New growth looks good. I'm not organic hydro, not worth the headache. GH 3 part, calmag. Budswel in flower. Now I'm a fan of SM-90, kills the nasties, lubes your fittings and kills Spider Mites and PM. Can't beat it.
It's normal, don't worry about it. Other threads on IC have the same problem. Im on page 56 now.
Try that permagranete stuff if it's one of your only options. I don't know where you're from but it doesn't sound like you have a lot of options here, and the longer it takes to eradicate the slime the longer the recovery will take (if they recover at all). The sign of new lateral roots is a good start but of course if the slime isn't gone then the new roots too will get infected.
elito
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what iv noticed is that only the roots that stay in the water get infected,i have a cople clones i added extra to the table and their roots didnt yet reach the water so they are healthy,and all the plants in the ebb and flow in perlite are healthy but the reservoir is packed with this shit,i tryed the Potassium Permanganate but it bond with h202 and alot of other stuff and raises the ph so i dont wana experiment with it other than the sterilization for 10-30 min using 10ml/l
Treatment Rate Potassium Permanganate
Common treatment rates are 2 parts per million (ppm) or milligrams per liter (mg/L) for an indefinite pond application or 10 mg/L for a 10-minute tank treatment. Actual treatment rates in ponds will vary depending on the amount of organic matter, or organic load, in the water. As with any chemical treatment, it is crucial to accurately estimate the volume of water that is to be treated.
monday i have to do something all the reservoirs are affected now even in the cloner i found a few clones got it
got a uv light so i want to clean everything and i have to find the earth worm castings to make that tea,im at page 37 reading if theres been some negative afects from the ewc please inform me,can u advise me as what would be the best thing to use to clean the reservoirs and the roots before i make a fresh nute solution and hopefuly make that tea to apply it
i cant buy any of the BB in a store here and i need to do something fast
this is my plan for now correct me or add something of use if u know a better solution
-i dont have physan20 so i wana use bleach to clean the res. and the equipment
-clean the roots under the tap and let then sit in a 10ml/l Potassium Permanganate solution for 30 min
-fill the res. with tap water add nutes and ewc tea /if i find the ewc to make it/im using chemical fert. can the BB live in it or do i need to add something organic to it,and do i have to let the water sit for a day before i can add the ewc tea or any other form of BB couse of the chlorine or is a few hours enough
-in one of the ebb and flow tables i wana just change the water add new nutes and put the UV light on the hose that floods the table
Use bleach to clean equipment but make sure to rinse very thoroughly first!
It sounds like you're out of options except the granate stuff or plain bleach. I dont know what the granate stuff is so I can't guarantee you results, good or bad. But you need a strong dose of something. You're on your own with that. Good luck and let us know the results.
It sounds like you're out of options except the granate stuff or plain bleach. I dont know what the granate stuff is so I can't guarantee you results, good or bad. But you need a strong dose of something. You're on your own with that. Good luck and let us know the results.
elito
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can i use the EWC tea for the flowering reservoirs or is it just for the cloners
The EWC tea is the same thing as the beneficial bacteria supplements. Use it on all plant growth stages.
elito
Member
some Q's if im not too much of a bother
-did u try and did it work for u too
-how much to add to a 130gallon res
-do i need to leave my tap water to sit for 24hours before i add the tea
-can i use it with non oganic ferts or do i need to add molasses to keep them alive
-can i use some brown sugar couse here i cant buy molasses the stores dont have it
-are there some negative affect of EWC tea
My answers in your quote. Hopefully others will add their thoughts on your questions too.
You really need to treat the whole system with a slime killer before you worry about all the bacteria.
Your issue is interesting to me because in my country (US) all of these products are available at stores down the street and right on the internet. I can't imagine hydro growing and having to use "natural" products for all of it. Interesting.
You really need to treat the whole system with a slime killer before you worry about all the bacteria.
Your issue is interesting to me because in my country (US) all of these products are available at stores down the street and right on the internet. I can't imagine hydro growing and having to use "natural" products for all of it. Interesting.
My feeling here is that most of you are trying to "treat" as an "infection" what might be a completely natural situation. Its like diarrhea of your system after taking antibiotics. The thing to do is not more antibiotics, rather its to re establish natural bacteria.
So probably you are not cycling your resevoirs correctly. Strt beneficials early and often, but not too much at a time. If you have no beneficials, heterotrphic bacteria can explode and eat all the miscellaneous nutrients and cause this slime, which is really just bacteria like in your gut.
Get lots of benes and use them, brew your own tea or buy a ready to use. Dont use too much peroxide or ya kill off benes.
Ciao
So probably you are not cycling your resevoirs correctly. Strt beneficials early and often, but not too much at a time. If you have no beneficials, heterotrphic bacteria can explode and eat all the miscellaneous nutrients and cause this slime, which is really just bacteria like in your gut.
Get lots of benes and use them, brew your own tea or buy a ready to use. Dont use too much peroxide or ya kill off benes.
Ciao
elito
Member
man its so fucking hard maintaining this in a poor country,i have too many problems as it is,i have to make everything from the ebb and flow tables and the reservoirs,cloners,covers...
heres the update
i took the samples of this slime to a university of biology and when they first looked at it they said it its definitly a fungus,they couldnt tell me witch one right away but il hear from them after a few days to see if they can determine that,they said that funguses can spread quickly and be hard to get rid of
-i had to go for out of town to get the WC today couse they dont have it in the shops here but atleast now i know i got the real stuff from a farmer who makes it,so il leave the tea to bubble for 24 hours before use
-also i found this domestic product that everyone recommending and its a organic solution use to treat roots and populate the BB and also to fight funguses as they say on the site,i wana try this tonight in one of my systems
-what should i use to clean the res. and everything else since i dont have physan 20,i got some stuff they use to clean reservoirs in the food industry or bleach
and can u give me advice as what should i use to clean the sterilize roots of the plants before i put em in the fresh nute solution,i wanted to clean them under a runing tap to get the slime of and then what should i use is bleach a good solution 1ml/gallon,or should i just leave to the BB to fight it of
Manually cleaning the roots by hand has worked well for me after the roots were sterilized. Remove all dead slime and dead roots (dark stained stringy roots...they should pull off without effort). It sounds like you have a pretty big operation going (130gal res) so this might not be practical for you?
The food industry cleaner should be ok if you don't want to use bleach. Whatever you do make sure you rinse everything out well. Your top priority after sterilizing the roots and the system is to remove ALL loose organic matter from the system. Any loose root bits or dead slime or organic compounds you add to the fresh res water (other than bacterias and teas) is food for the slime to regrow and start all over. Clean everything! Then immediately add the tea to the fresh res water and let that run through your system for at least a day or two before you add anything else (nutes). If your plants aren't dead then the bacteria will start colonizing and the plants should start growing new roots almost immediately. Stick with chemical nutes ONLY if you have them. The slime doesn't feed on chemicals, just organic matter. Btw, if possible consider using less lights during this root regrowth period to allow the plants to re-establish without too much stress from trying to maintain growth under strong lights but with little root mass.
Let us know what the school says your slime is! What country are you in? Or at least what part of the world?
The food industry cleaner should be ok if you don't want to use bleach. Whatever you do make sure you rinse everything out well. Your top priority after sterilizing the roots and the system is to remove ALL loose organic matter from the system. Any loose root bits or dead slime or organic compounds you add to the fresh res water (other than bacterias and teas) is food for the slime to regrow and start all over. Clean everything! Then immediately add the tea to the fresh res water and let that run through your system for at least a day or two before you add anything else (nutes). If your plants aren't dead then the bacteria will start colonizing and the plants should start growing new roots almost immediately. Stick with chemical nutes ONLY if you have them. The slime doesn't feed on chemicals, just organic matter. Btw, if possible consider using less lights during this root regrowth period to allow the plants to re-establish without too much stress from trying to maintain growth under strong lights but with little root mass.
Let us know what the school says your slime is! What country are you in? Or at least what part of the world?
elito
Member
Then immediately add the tea to the fresh res water and let that run through your system for at least a day or two before you add anything else (nutes).this is good to know i already changed 2 of my small dwc res. with some seedlings and i added nutes and this BB mix,is it necessary to let the tap water sit for 24 hours before i add the tea,this is a bit of a problem couse i have 3 130 gallon reservoirs and i dont have space to get an extra one to let it sit for a day before i put plants in it,is it possible tp use some of the aquarium stuff to remove the chlorine quicker,or can i add the benes to fresh tap water
-do the chemical nutes harm the benes or starve them like the slime
and what do the bb eat if my nutes are non organic
soon as i get the results il inform u
i liv in bosnia thats in europe the undeveloped part
