Outsiders welcome?

[bordercollie]

did i miss something? thought we were all on the same team... team smoke dope and love it? medical or otherwise?
this is the med thread, but cant we all just get along?
and can some one actually attempt to answer the question posed by the thread..?!!!

 

[Bettysmith]

While I do strongly agree that cannabis has medicinal benefits of all sorts, I some what feel as if the medical movement is just a cop out in the legalization movement. Small steps at a time I suppose.

 

[Pythagllio]

I think Dr. Jay would turn over in his grave if someone denigrated the good people at WAMM.

 

[whiterasta]

I saw an interview of a rep from the cannabis cafe in oregon the other day, she was praising the oplace as a spot for weary travels that needed a place to safely medicate.... well

could i go smoke at the cannabis cafe in oregon if im visiting from cali or washington and have my legal docs with me?

The answer is no. Oregon does not recognize other medical laws about cannabis.
As for Dr. Jay "turning over in his grave" the answer is also no. He would explain that being at cross purposes only divides the movement and that medical users must accept recreational use as well as recreational users must accept medical use. he might also point out that medical use is legal at this point while recreational use is still illegal but no matter why one uses cannabis being a responsible human is the most important thing one can do for either movement.
That said the Oregon "WTF ever" joint run by NORML is NOT the first even in this state. It is only open to NORML members paid in full.Both "cafe`s" are operated by membership only organizations and are solely capital driven, ie; Pay to join and get in to a pot bar.
As for "A place for weary traveler to safely medicate" it is an open invitation to have a squad car parked right outside to write DUI's. I have been in this shit since the law was passed and have seen orgs like NORML deal away many of the original laws protections, while saying they are advocating for patients. So, yeah, the story is a hype train and Madeline Martinez and OrNORML is riding it into the ground. The fact is what is needed is public dispensaries open to all med patients with a card not more exclusive "dealers".
In the end they just need to leave us alone and let us grow our stash. IMO Oregon is strangling due to the tight reigns people like Martinez have allowed to be placed on the OMMA.
End Rant
WR

 

[Chip Inhale]

Blue Dot your pathetic

 

[whiterasta]

Why is it necessary to medicate in public around other people?

What is the medical purpose of a "cafe"?

That seems much more like recreational use to me.

When I go to the pharmacy at my local grocery store to pick up my script everyone there doesn't sit around and pop pills and talk about how great it feels.

"cannabis cafe", just one more black eye on the med movement.

The legitimate purpose is to supply cannabis to patients as well as provide a place to sample the product.They also provide a safe place to medicate while "downtown" if you need it... there remains debate whether the resources in Oregon fulfill this or are simply capital raising schemes for their parent organizations, as they are members only establishments which charge a fee for acceptance rather than an open door policy to ALL legal patients.
You seem to be unaware that there are many medical "cafes" besides for cannabis. There are dialysis 'cafes', respiratory therapy "cafes", and many other setting in which patients gather to recieve medication or therapy in a group setting. That cannabis lends itself to a more relaxed, non-clinical seting does not put it in a different realm than the previously mentioned "clinical" therapies.I suspect the patients of these more "clinical" therapies would appreciate a more social setting while dealing with their affliction.
In short you are displaying the holier than thou attitude some patients get about cannabis use. To people like yourself,and please do not take this as insult, I simply say you would not have a pipe to smoke on with out the recreational user rediscovering the medical and working for your right to use cannabis as a medicine.
I hope you can recognize the debt medical users owe to the die hard anti-prohibitionist recreational users who fostered the medical movement in the first place.
WR

 

[Blue Dot]

To people like yourself,and please do not take this as insult, I simply say you would not have a pipe to smoke on with out the recreational user rediscovering the medical and working for your right to use cannabis as a medicine.

Bwahaha, "recreational user rediscovering the medical" are you kidding?

hello, Dennis Peron, gay lover dying of AIDS, needs cannabis to allieviate the nausea of anti-HIV meds = 215.

That's what started the med movement.

You actually have it backwords, it was the medical users who rediscovered it's use which now allows any tom dick and jane with a sore toe to get a rec to use their pot as recreational.

 

[kmk420kali]

You actually have it backwords, it was the medical users who rediscovered it's use which now allows any tom dick and jane with a sore toe to get a rec to use their pot as recreational.

If it helps their sore toe...why not??
Pot is here to stay-- The majority is on our side...Fuck 'em--

 

[Blue Dot]

The majority is on our side...

What side? IMO the majority of californians agree with medical Mj that's why they voted so in 1996.

Now that they have seen the abuse IMO the minority is the ones who think MMJ laws are there to help the recreational users.

 

[whiterasta]

Bwahaha, "recreational user rediscovering the medical" are you kidding?

hello, Dennis Peron, gay lover dying of AIDS, needs cannabis to allieviate the nausea of anti-HIV meds = 215.

That's what started the med movement.
You actually have it backwords, it was the medical users who rediscovered it's use which now allows any tom dick and jane with a sore toe to get a rec to use their pot as recreational.

The medical movement was in full swing and used Dennis Peron just as it has used various sick figureheads in every state to garner sympathy.
And no I do not "have it backwards" and I am old enough to remember ALL the details of the movement from humble beginnings and dire threat to near legalization.
It has always been folks like myself and MANY others who discovered years ago that cannabis was more than shits and giggles.In that respect the medical movement began for me in the early seventies when I told my Dr that cannabis was helping my arthritis and suffered great discrimination as a result.By 1979 I was fractionating cannabinoids in O-Chem and trying the fractions on myself to determine what was giving the relief. Did I mention I sold pot to pay for school? That is where I found out others were using for medical reasons.
It is thousands of stories like this that began what noobs like you call medical marijuana.
I find it insulting that those who are now benefiting from the early persecution of medical cannabis proponents and users are so ignorant about the medicine they now get to use freely.
So Blue Dot climb down from the medical pedestal. You do not know your facts and your holier than thou attitude toward recreational use is a laughable and very tenuous position at best, an insult to all who came before 215's protection at worst.
WR

 

[Blue Dot]

The medical movement was in full swing and used Dennis Peron just as it has used various sick figureheads in every state to garner sympathy.

Cali was the first state with medical laws. Dennis was the forefather. Obviously other states weren't touting medical. NORML and their their Full Legalization was in "full swing".

Did I mention I sold pot to pay for school?

You didn't have to mention it, I assumed as much.

 

[whiterasta]

Cali was the first state with medical laws. Obviously other states weren't touting medical.



You didn't have to mention it, I assumed as much.

You rush to judgement with ignorance as your guide.Pufffing strains bred by skeevey 'stoners" and lambasting them at the same time.
You obviously were not involved in passing 215 and have no knowlege of the history of all the groups who made it happen but you can take this to the bank and let it garner interest. 215 would have never made it to the ballot with out the skeevey stoners you seem to hold in such contempt.
I pray you will one day learn the reality of your medicine and quit having to excuse YOUR use as medical only. Cannabis makes you feel better,cannabis makes joe chronic feel better. What makes you more deserving,illness?Law? Is there a moral imperative?
As my dear friend Dr Jay once said to me "recreation is therapeutic"
WR

 

[Blue Dot]

What makes you more deserving,illness?

Illness ALWAYS makes one more deserving. Why? because:

1. You don't have a choice whether you get sick or not.
2. You can live without the recreational effects.

get it straight.

 

[Pythagllio]

Somebody doesn't know Dennis Peron's history. Here's a little snippet:

http://www.strangebillions.com/harvey/

Harvey (r) hugs Dennis Peron, the Castro's local pot dealer at a Marijuana Initiative event in 1977. Dennis owned the Island Restaurant where Harvey held many political meetings and fundraisers. Harvey had cut his hair and shed his hippie image.

He was a recreational pot dealer decades before Prop 215 was a thought in anybody's head.

 

[Blue Dot]

Somebody doesn't know Dennis Peron's history. Here's a little snippet:



He was a recreational pot dealer decades before Prop 215 was a thought in anybody's head.

He was, i concede, but when his gay lover was dying of AIDS he saw the situation differently.

Do you really think he crusaded for medical MJ just so his dying lover could get high recreationally?

 

[kmk420kali]

Illness ALWAYS makes one more deserving. Why? because:

1. You don't have a choice whether you get sick or not.
2. You can live without the recreational effects.

get it straight.

And what choice do you have?? Are you "Terminal"...or do you just have some "Pussified" excuse for needing to smoke pot??
Seriously dude...everybody has the same "Right" to it that you do--

 

[Blue Dot]

And what choice do you have?? Are you "Terminal"...or do you just have some "Pussified" excuse for needing to smoke pot??

Hey asshole, I have cluster headaches which will last me my entire life (according to medical science), provided I don't commit suicide like a large portion of CH suffers do.

Any other questions?!

 

[whiterasta]

Illness ALWAYS makes one more deserving. Why? because:

1. You don't have a choice whether you get sick or not.
2. You can live without the recreational effects.

get it straight.

I have it straight BD and you just pointed out why in every state a very ill person is paraded out as the figurehead. In Oregon it was Stormy Ray, in wisconsin it was Jackie Rickert, And Cali had Dennis Peron. Illness does not make you more deserving, it makes people more sympathetic to your cannabis use, there is a difference.
As for "recreational effects"...
I have collaborated with Drs Mechoulam and Freid in Israel on the nature of whole cannabis vs extracted fractions and artificial cannabinoids.The net result is one cannot separate the "recreational" effect with out removing the therapeutic effect. They are synegistically tied and that is the reason plain old cannabis is medicine, and why Marinol is not, period
Now I have given you facts and history unless you have some of the same let's just let this lie before your statements bury you.
WR

 

[Blue Dot]

The net result is one cannot separate the "recreational" effect with out removing the therapeutic effect.

I think you're confusing "recreational effect" as the "active" effect instead of the "side effect'.

 

[kmk420kali]

Hey asshole, I have cluster headaches which will last me my entire life (according to medical science), provided I don't commit suicide like a large portion of CH suffers do.

Any other questions?!

Yeah....
I have back pain...which will last my entire lifetime....some ppl have a problem with their big toe...that will last their entire lifetime!! Why is yours more serious than ours??

Oh...and my other question might be...have you decided on a method of departure yet?? (J/K on that....laugh, Fucker!!)