Why doesnt everyone do vertical?

[ChaosCatalunya]

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light is light, and you can use it efficiently whether it is vertical or horizontal imo - but with vertical it looks to me much more awkward to tend the grow.

i think what is important is that you believe in the grow method that you choose, and that it works for you.
i hope you guys dont mind me discussing this with you - othewise it would just be you vertical guys patting each other on the back lol.
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light is light, and arguably, yield too, using it the most efficient way possible is clearly going to pay.

Years ago I read Ed Rosenthal explain how Indoor crops were best arranged as "Stadiums" not "Domes" ... you want your shortest plants in the middle, tall ones on the outside, you get much better yields.

Now, how you achieve this Stadium, how extreme you take it, is up to you. Fundamentally though, going 3d really does seem to make a more efficient use of Light.

Ages ago I grew walls of tall Swazi clones around the 4 edges of a shorter Superskunk crop, the Swazi getting fat on side light that normally goes to waste. Growing in pots of Coco now, it is very easy to position the plant just how and where you want her.

I am now planning a homebrewed experiment in full 3d growing with 2x 600W vertical hung lights and a few different plant/system setups to try, it will be a real challenge, but I really believe it is worth the trouble.

VG, I think you are spot on about "much more awkward to tend the grow" .. that is one reason I am not really happy with anything I have seen on the market.

 

[LJB]

the large amount of plants, nessessary for this set up

doesn't have to be

2 x 600w one on top of the other, 8 plants in two gallon containers, 4 x 4 x 6, aka the Prawn Connery

I was in an accident mid-way through my first run and left physically unable to do some work that should have been done. Basically just left them in there leaning up against the cage and hoped for the best. That yielded .9 gpw

 

[fatigues]

I would also point out that to get the most out of vertical growing, you need to be growing a lot of plants to leverage the grow style for the improved results it can bring.

And that can be a problem for some: increased plant counts, for legal reasons, are a good reason for many to not grow vertically.

 

[sneakinman13]

looking good in here. i would love to try some vertical grows one day...
it would be cool todo vertical and also have a few lights normally hanging over the plants... if you had big bush's that is. not s.o.g.. keep it up pps

 

[Ickis]

I tried them all and I think horizontal scrog is the best. And I got 10.5 ounces of chunky buds and 3 ounces or so of popcorn from 1 plant off a 250w. Yes I have pics on this site.

So your title is wrong. Your title is basically "Vertical is best and there is no discussion".

There is a whole lot of discussion. Every grow room and grow is different. There is no best way.

 

[VeticalGrowBot]

I tried them all and I think horizontal scrog is the best. And I got 10.5 ounces of chunky buds and 3 ounces or so of popcorn from 1 plant off a 250w. Yes I have pics on this site.

So your title is wrong. Your title is basically "Vertical is best and there is no discussion".

There is a whole lot of discussion. Every grow room and grow is different. There is no best way.

I think the general concensus is that if your number one factor is efficient use of mid to large size spaces to maximize yield, then you need to study all you can about vertical gardening. Alot of growers however do no care about maxiimizing yields. There may be a number of other factors that would make another style grow more appealing for alot of gardeners. I however have found that i can grow at least 90% more when i grow vertical. I get more larger buds and the density to my nugs is perfect.

I cant really see myself ever growing a garden flat agian EVER

 

[VerdantGreen]

I tried them all and I think horizontal scrog is the best. And I got 10.5 ounces of chunky buds and 3 ounces or so of popcorn from 1 plant off a 250w. Yes I have pics on this site.

thats a great yield! dry weight? - have you got a link to the pics?

V.

 

[RMCG]

I tried them all and I think horizontal scrog is the best. And I got 10.5 ounces of chunky buds and 3 ounces or so of popcorn from 1 plant off a 250w. Yes I have pics on this site.

So your title is wrong. Your title is basically "Vertical is best and there is no discussion".

There is a whole lot of discussion. Every grow room and grow is different. There is no best way.

Is your method going to be able to scale?

ie 4 plants / 1k? now x that by 10 or 15?


Closet/Cabinet grows don't always scale as well as you think.

 

[Relentless]

forgot to say that i went vertical.. im running two 600s.. one above the other in a 4.6x4.6 tent

 

[Ickis]

Look in the 250w club post 213 and 242 for starters. It is the most awesome specimen.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=98823&page=15

Hey I don't want to get into a vert/hort which is best. However, I can make a good case for horizontal.

 

[bankerino]

for me it's just easier to hang the light, I don't have to mess with reflectors or cooltubes either. temps are holding under 78F. however the space plays a large part in making those decisions, with my space I could have gone scrog and I may in the future, but right now with my time and budget I'm going vert. it's just easier for me..

 

[LJB]

Look in the 250w club post 213 and 242 for starters. It is the most awesome specimen.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=98823&page=15

Hey I don't want to get into a vert/hort which is best. However, I can make a good case for horizontal.

Is that a waterfarm that you use, Ickis?

 

[Dislexus]

I tried them all and I think horizontal scrog is the best. And I got 10.5 ounces of chunky buds and 3 ounces or so of popcorn from 1 plant off a 250w. Yes I have pics on this site.

I certainly believe it.. my very first grow I yielded 11 oz @250w with Kali Mist and I didn't scrog.. harvested the popcorn a week early for smoke, so didn't weigh that.. Two plants, one LST'd tree in a 5 gallon and another pheno in a 1 gallon planter.. And I had the typical first grow fuckups. Ever since then the 1g/watt target people mention sometimes has mystified me.

 

[Smokeone1]

I certainly believe it.. my very first grow I yielded 11 oz @250w with Kali Mist and I didn't scrog.. harvested the popcorn a week early for smoke, so didn't weigh that.. Two plants, one LST'd tree in a 5 gallon and another pheno in a 1 gallon planter.. And I had the typical first grow fuckups. Ever since then the 1g/watt target people mention sometimes has mystified me.

How long did you guys veg for?

 

[Ickis]

I vegged for 2 months. Yes I know it is a long time. I only used a 4 bukb 2 foot long New Wave T-5 fluro (96w total) and my only fans were a 12v comp fan and a 110v 2w Radio Shack comp fan. So if you figure true grams per watt (every thing electrical) it was a super conservative power consumption grow with high grams per watt because the 270w with cooltube was easy to cool.

It isn't a fast, higher yielding sog but if plant counts matter or you just want to tend one plant at a time it worked real good. It is also difficult to really get at your plant when it is scrogged to a metal rack and in a Power Grower.

I am just starting to play with a 250w vertical. Results are pending.

 

[medmaker420]

I hope to see a vertical led grow soon, come on led growers where are you. Temps + possible increased yields in small areas just SCREAMS vertical.

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

The concept of growing vertical is simple if you ask me. I've already been messing with this grow style for a few years now. In a way its a lazy mans SCROG. Considering how you can use the light in 360 degrees as opposed to
a flat exposure plane, with limited canopy penetration.

Really, why install a screen in a horizontal plane, and bend the main stem when you can simply install a vertical screen and pull productive sites through the screen However there are styles of growing vertical that do not use a screen.

It makes sense to me to utilize the vertical surfaces of the plant, Either by
lowering the light into the plant itself for better penetration.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=2889311

Now one of the drawbacks I find is the main cola tends not to be as thick as in a horizontal grow. However, I do find the yields are slightly higher. 1 GPW in from strains in a run from seed.

I have not recently documented my grows, but I have reached the 1GPW
I'm talking nicely trimmed and manicured buds that are bone dry.

If anything is to be learned from vertical growing is the advantages of putting smaller lights closer to the lower parts of the plant.

 

[Teeg420]

Thank you that has been my experience as well smaller nugs with vertical compared to horizontal, could it be less lumens directed to each plant? I do notice a higher GPW with vert but i dont get the density i do with horizontal.

 

[funkervogt]

I'm designing a new cab with a 48Wx72Hx21"W space. After many iterations, vertical ended up being the best for maximum light exposure with minimum setup and heat problems. Circles/cylinders/curves: nature rarely works with straight lines... why should we?

Here's the design for my cab. Comments appreciated.

 

[ResinGoat]

I think gpw/month is the best yardstick for grow methods. But also maintenance should be kept in mind too. I don't care to hand water, so I hope to see more aero/hydro vert setups around.