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It's a religion of peace, blah blah blah.
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SoloGro57
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What I find interesting in all this was that the shooter was begging the Army to let him go. According to news reports the shooter had paid off his education (he was a MD as well as a shrink) and hired an attorney to represent him.
Now it's not a sure thing that he wouldn't have picked up his "jihad" in a new civilian life, and done just as much or more damage, but it does beg the question, who is watching these guys? An Islamic, Palestinian, Psychiatrist wants to sparate from the Army. Okay.
Does no one in the chain of command wonder about this guy? If not, why not? I just feel like somebody is responsible for letting this wacko go ballistic while he was in an Army Uniform.
Now it's not a sure thing that he wouldn't have picked up his "jihad" in a new civilian life, and done just as much or more damage, but it does beg the question, who is watching these guys? An Islamic, Palestinian, Psychiatrist wants to sparate from the Army. Okay.
Does no one in the chain of command wonder about this guy? If not, why not? I just feel like somebody is responsible for letting this wacko go ballistic while he was in an Army Uniform.
I was thinking the same thing. He was obviously disgruntled.
he should have listened to his parents. he probably signed up for the education, then 9/11 came and he was in the army which was at war in the middle east. he heard guys coming back every day telling him the horrors that soldiers go through. there is the loss of close friends, and the fear, but also dealing with killing, which is part of the job. killing people isnt easy, and civilians, women, children get killed. it is the inevitable horror of war. you hear the details of that every day for a couple of years, what's gonna happen?
if this guy didn't want to go, he could have filed as a consciencious objector, which would probably be a mess, but a true statement; but even if he lost his commission or even got a d.d. or even a stay (probably very short) in leavenworth, he would have came out with a medical degree and his self-dignity intact. he could have gone on to protest against the war. but he went nuts. and he'll die on the end of a rope or in a hospital bed (he's in a coma?)
has anybody noticed it seems the single guys are always the problem? maybe we could air drop mail order bride pamphlets or something...
maybe we should watch out for yummy...
if this guy didn't want to go, he could have filed as a consciencious objector, which would probably be a mess, but a true statement; but even if he lost his commission or even got a d.d. or even a stay (probably very short) in leavenworth, he would have came out with a medical degree and his self-dignity intact. he could have gone on to protest against the war. but he went nuts. and he'll die on the end of a rope or in a hospital bed (he's in a coma?)
has anybody noticed it seems the single guys are always the problem? maybe we could air drop mail order bride pamphlets or something...
maybe we should watch out for yummy...
Everyone was racist towards him while he served because he was Muslim
This guy did not go nuts folks. He was simply following sharia law.
And the reason he was not ousted long ago, is because of the ignorant secular society we live in. The PC crowd seems to have taken over lately. And it is the PC crowds fault for the majority of this bullshit.
When we decide to get serious, we will then look at the real reason these islamists do what they do. All the analyzing psycho babble is just bullshit to keep our own ignorant minds occupied.
Read the koran folks, and learn why you must die a tortuous death.
And the reason he was not ousted long ago, is because of the ignorant secular society we live in. The PC crowd seems to have taken over lately. And it is the PC crowds fault for the majority of this bullshit.
When we decide to get serious, we will then look at the real reason these islamists do what they do. All the analyzing psycho babble is just bullshit to keep our own ignorant minds occupied.
Read the koran folks, and learn why you must die a tortuous death.
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How a literate person can read the Koran, even translated(which doesn't work that well)and still believe Islam to be a religion of peace is beyond me.
That's the problem,movingtocally. Folks have no idea what is going on.
Here we are at war precisely because of what that book is telling men to do. And we have no idea what that book really says.
I read a good bit of it, and I can tell you that the world is in big time trouble...and has been for a good while.
Ignorance is now, and has always been our most expensive commodity, and it will also kill us in the end if we don't try to get rid if it.
Here we are at war precisely because of what that book is telling men to do. And we have no idea what that book really says.
I read a good bit of it, and I can tell you that the world is in big time trouble...and has been for a good while.
Ignorance is now, and has always been our most expensive commodity, and it will also kill us in the end if we don't try to get rid if it.
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Or were you being sarcastic?
T.Baggins
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I know, seriously! heres a few gems:
"They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
that scoundrels among you are leading their fellow citizens astray by saying, ‘Let us go worship other gods’—gods you have not known before. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find that the report is true and such a detestable act has been committed among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy[a] all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the open square and burn it. Burn the entire town as a burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a large nation, just as he swore to your ancestors.
“The Lord your God will be merciful only if you listen to his voice and keep all his commands that I am giving you today, doing what pleases him.
(Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 )
Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 )
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 )
oh, wait thats the Holy Bible, my bad...
I can easly you many more violent and prejudicial passages that encourage the death of someone or group that they see as being inferior to them in the jewish and christan texts...
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain..lol
SoloGro57
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Found This
Found This
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1107/p02s07-usmi.html
"...He was reportedly a loner who socialized little with fellow officers. He expressed strong views about US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, and apparently did not want to deploy to Afghanistan. The FBI reportedly investigated whether he was behind the inflammatory comments left on a website under the handle "NidalHasan."
He apparently got a bad performance review while working as counselor at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington. Yet the Army – which promoted approximately 93 percent of their captains to majors last year – promoted him to major anyway.
Even if there were warning signs, that doesn't mean it's easy to stop a tragedy, says Barry Rosenfeld, a professor of psychology at Fordham University in New York..."
And This:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1106/p02s16-usgn.html
"...Hasan's job performance at Walter Reed was not stellar, according to AP. He had difficulties that required counseling and extra supervision, his former training director, Dr. Thomas Greiger, told AP..."
Seems to support the wacko theory.
Found This
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1107/p02s07-usmi.html
"...He was reportedly a loner who socialized little with fellow officers. He expressed strong views about US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, and apparently did not want to deploy to Afghanistan. The FBI reportedly investigated whether he was behind the inflammatory comments left on a website under the handle "NidalHasan."
He apparently got a bad performance review while working as counselor at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington. Yet the Army – which promoted approximately 93 percent of their captains to majors last year – promoted him to major anyway.
Even if there were warning signs, that doesn't mean it's easy to stop a tragedy, says Barry Rosenfeld, a professor of psychology at Fordham University in New York..."
And This:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1106/p02s16-usgn.html
"...Hasan's job performance at Walter Reed was not stellar, according to AP. He had difficulties that required counseling and extra supervision, his former training director, Dr. Thomas Greiger, told AP..."
Seems to support the wacko theory.
I am not going to get into a theological debate, mainly because I am ill equipped. But, if we take things in context, rather than throwing out passages to use as point makers, I think we will find that each of those references were actually stories being told of times of old, and not commandments that modern man are to adhere to.
Kinda like the way the Jews held onto the Kosher ways, whereas the Christian world holds belief that the Kosher ways were also part of the days of old.
But like I said, I won't debate theology too much.
However, if you also look at the same sort of passages from the Koran, and take them in context, I think we find that they are indeed commandments for men of today to follow.
TBaggins, I am curious if you have actually read the New Testament of the Bible, or did you get those cut-n-pastes from a site that argues religion?
T.Baggins
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i have read both the Quran and the Holy Bible, including the non-canonical or apocryphal books... in their entirety... have you? nothin i quoted is out of context, as you have suggested...i have the Holy Bible and Quran as audio downloads and listen to them quite often as well... you would be surprised at how similar they actually are, in a way... you're a bright guy, dont the the MSM lead you down a path of fear and religious intolerance, like it has the rest of the American gold fish, its not becoming of you...
Allahu Akbar! eH...
Allahu Akbar! eH...
Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, is a Muslim who attended his former mosque daily and had an “Allah is Love” bumper sticker on his car. Soldiers reported Friday that the shooter shouted “Allahu Akbar!” — Arabic for “God is great!” — during the rampage.
Other troubling details emerged, including reports that authorities suspect Hasan posted online messages about suicide bombers and violence, was struggling with a pending deployment to Afghanistan and was being harassed in the Army for being a Muslim.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2009/11/05/11649551-ap.html
He definitely had a problem identifying the enemy.
Allahu Akbar! eH...
Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, is a Muslim who attended his former mosque daily and had an “Allah is Love” bumper sticker on his car. Soldiers reported Friday that the shooter shouted “Allahu Akbar!” — Arabic for “God is great!” — during the rampage.
Other troubling details emerged, including reports that authorities suspect Hasan posted online messages about suicide bombers and violence, was struggling with a pending deployment to Afghanistan and was being harassed in the Army for being a Muslim.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2009/11/05/11649551-ap.html
He definitely had a problem identifying the enemy.
I am not religious intolerant. And trust me, the Lame-Stream Media leads me nowhere.
If a man says I am going to hell for not conforming to his religious belief, then I can weigh things out for myself and take my chances with whatever or however I choose.
Most all religions allow us to sort this out with God.
However, when a man gives me the same warnings, and that man believes that he can takes God's job into his own hands and destroy me if I do not decide to conform, then yes...I am quite fucking intolerant.
If a man says I am going to hell for not conforming to his religious belief, then I can weigh things out for myself and take my chances with whatever or however I choose.
Most all religions allow us to sort this out with God.
However, when a man gives me the same warnings, and that man believes that he can takes God's job into his own hands and destroy me if I do not decide to conform, then yes...I am quite fucking intolerant.
The dude is a pussy. Cut and dry.
I know true BMFs (enlisted Recon) who have seen some REAL shit. Shit that would make us stoners cry like little babies.
Same kind of wacko as all the rest. A self consumed coward. One strange factoid. I would bet Virginia Tech has the highest alumni/mass murderer ratio.
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I know true BMFs (enlisted Recon) who have seen some REAL shit. Shit that would make us stoners cry like little babies.
Same kind of wacko as all the rest. A self consumed coward. One strange factoid. I would bet Virginia Tech has the highest alumni/mass murderer ratio.
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A-fucking-men. Couldn't have said it better. Edwin Starr told you wayy back in the 60's with the song "WAR". What is it good for - Absolutely Nothing.
When did killing another human being become "normal?"
MSM for teh win!!!!
And our military is ashamed of killing and displacing over 1,000,000 people in the Middle East since this thing began?
Let's just take a page out of Dubya's briefings and say "it's God's will"...
Religion + unstable individual is some scary shit...
My thoughts and prayers go out to the loved ones of those who lost someone in this tragedy...
Here's to the day when they stop telling us to kill each other...
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