master bedroom medical closet etc.

[ilovethewest]

well hello internet growers. im chillin on this west coast, with a card that says i can grow some pot. my limit is 15 plants, which is what this garden is going to be. besides killing a few plants indoors under equiptment that does not work, i dont have experiance with indoors, although im not exactly a beginner... so im looking for anything you think i should know, and the way im seeing this is that ill have questions for the next 4 months, so might as well start now. what i got is a 4'x6'x7' walk in closet. i also have ampel floor space to set up a tent if yall thought that was somehow a better idea. now some how i had 3 grand a month ago, but now its down to 1500. i dont think that this is enough for me to buy a flowering room and a veg room, so im going to go with the flowering room, SOG it out, and then start over again and and go for a prepetual harvest, but thats down the road. what i need advice on now is what i should buy for this flower room, and advice on my next move. also i have an aero garden ill use to start seeds, or get clones at a club, and ill use it later as my clone machine. so first Q:
how much light should i hang over my 4x6' floor space? thats the space that sunsystem says you put 1 600w, but 2 would fit just fine... and is a 1k light too much? would be easyer if its just 1 light to fuck around with.
and then second is this list below the right equipment and any ideas or recomendations on it? ill order very soon as im going to be running by the end of the month.
current list if equipment to run a 4x6' closet. 1 active air dehumidifier (its crutial) 1 carbonaire 8inch carbon filter , 1 CAP AIR-4 Independent Temp, Humidity and CO2 Control, 1 Sunlight Adjust-A-Light Medium Super Spreader, 1 CAP REG-1 CO2 regulator and Valve (ya im gonna put co2 off a bottle into the room, i do have the right equipment for this ya?) Light Lifter Reflector Suspension System grow yoyo, 1 Sulfur Vaporizer, organic neem oil, 2mil mylar for the walls (what should i use for the floor, currently its carpeted, any ideas) 1 Vortex 8 inch 747 CFM High Power Inline Fan, 1 Valueline 8 Inch 745 CFM Centrifugal Inline Fan, insulated ducting 8 inch. comes out to about 2 grand, which i can swing, and ill try to get it cheaper, of if any of yall have any pointers on that subject it would help. [URL="http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/sunlight-adjustalight-medium-super-spreader-p-2474.html"][URL="http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/cap-reg1-co2-regulator-and-valve-p-1008.html"][URL="http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/light-lifter-reflector-suspension-system-p-1588.html"][URL="http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/sulfur-vaporizer-p-1437.html"][URL="http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/vortex-inch-747-cfm-high-power-inline-fan-p-354.html"]
[/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL]this is going to be 100% organic and in soil. ill work out nutrients later, im not stressing on them, its more the task of building the grow that im putting all my current energy into.
and venting this room: im currently thinking of running a intake for my light from out side, should be the coldest of air. and then running that air through my light, and then into the master bedroom to heat it and let the air settel inside a house. im was thinking of placing a 8 inch vortex right before my light, and then running ducting 8 feet into the carbon filter, which is why im thinking of getting the second valueline fan to force air into the carbon filter. or should i downgrade all this shit to 6 inch ducting? and is the second fan overkill and i only need the first even though the carbon filter will be a distance away from the light, and do i even need to run the air from my lights through a carbon filter. and the second part of this Q is if i got co2 in the room, and the light is properly vented, do i need to have a fan sucking air out of the room, or can it be sealed off? these are some major questions for me, and can change the equipment that i buy, so they are very important to me. so what do yall think, im stoked to start this part of my life, and glad to show the world what anybody can do in most appartments legally on this west coast. ill have more questions im sure, but for now any help on the above would be killer. you help me, i help they, they help them, its a small world and small things go a long way, i really appreciate this place on the internet i have been looking over for so long. thanks and peace.

 

[Jnugg]

Well hello internet growers.I'm chillin on this west coast, with a card that says I can grow some pot.My limit is 15 plants, which is what this garden is going to be.

Besides killing a few plants indoors under equitment that does not work, i don't have experiance with indoors, although I'm not exactly a beginner... so I'm looking for anything you think I should know, and the way I'm seeing this is that I'll have questions for the next 4 months, so might as well start now.

What I have is a 4'x6'x7' walk in closet.I also have ampel floor space to set up a tent if ya'll thought that was somehow a better idea.Now some how I had 3 grand a month ago, but now its down to $1500.I don't think that this is enough for me to buy a flowering room and a veg room, so im going to go with the flowering room, SOG it out, and then start over again and go for a prepetual harvest, but thats down the road.

What I need advice on now is what I should buy for this flower room, and advice on my next move.Also I have an aero garden I'll use to start seeds, or get clones at a club, and I'll use it later as my clone machine.

So first Q:
How much light should i hang over my 4x6' floor space?Thats the space that sunsystem says you can put 1 600w, but 2 would fit just fine... and is a 1k light too much?

Would it be easier if it's just 1 light to fuck around with?


Second Q:
Is this list below the right equipment and any ideas or recomendations on it? ill order very soon as im going to be running by the end of the month.
current list of equipment to run a 4x6' closet. 1 active air dehumidifier (its crucial) 1 carbonaire 8inch carbon filter , 1 CAP AIR-4 Independent Temp, Humidity and CO2 Control, 1 Sunlight Adjust-A-Light Medium Super Spreader, 1 CAP REG-1 CO2 regulator and Valve (ya im gonna put co2 off a bottle into the room, i do have the right equipment for this ya?) Light Lifter Reflector Suspension System grow yoyo, 1 Sulfur Vaporizer, organic neem oil, 2mil mylar for the walls (what should i use for the floor, currently its carpeted, any ideas) 1 Vortex 8 inch 747 CFM High Power Inline Fan, 1 Valueline 8 Inch 745 CFM Centrifugal Inline Fan, insulated ducting 8 inch. comes out to about 2 grand, which i can swing, and ill try to get it cheaper, of if any of yall have any pointers on that subject it would help. [URL="http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/sunlight-adjustalight-medium-super-spreader-p-2474.html"][URL="http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/cap-reg1-co2-regulator-and-valve-p-1008.html"][URL="http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/light-lifter-reflector-suspension-system-p-1588.html"][URL="http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/sulfur-vaporizer-p-1437.html"][URL="http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/vortex-inch-747-cfm-high-power-inline-fan-p-354.html"]
[/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL][/URL]this is going to be 100% organic and in soil. ill work out nutrients later, im not stressing on them, its more the task of building the grow that im putting all my current energy into.

And venting this room: I'm currently thinking of running an intake for my light from outside, should be the coldest of air...and then running that air through my light, and then into the master bedroom to heat it and let the air settel inside the house.I was thinking of placing an 8 inch vortex right before my light, and then running ducting 8 feet into the carbon filter, which is why im thinking of getting the second valueline fan to force air into the carbon filter. or should i downgrade all this shit to 6 inch ducting?

Is the second fan overkill and i only need the first even though the carbon filter will be a distance away from the light, and do i even need to run the air from my lights through a carbon filter?

The second part of this Q is if i got co2 in the room, and the light is properly vented, do i need to have a fan sucking air out of the room, or can it be sealed off?

These are some major questions for me, and I can change the equipment that I buy, so they are very important to me.So what do ya'll think, I'm stoked to start this part of my life, and glad to show the world what anybody can do in most appartments legally on this west coast. I'll have more questions I'm sure, but for now any help on the above would be killer.You help me, I help they, they help them, it's a small world and small things go a long way.I really appreciate this place on the internet I have been looking over for so long. thanks and peace.

There I cleaned your post up a bit.....Proper spelling,grammar,and punctuation go a long way!

 

[Jnugg]

Your footprint measures 4' x 6' which = 24 sq. feet.

1x 600w HPS / 24 sq. feet = 25w per sq. foot and 3750 lumens per sq. foot.Not anywhere near enough light to grow decent buds in that area...on to the next one...

1000w HPS / 24 sq. feet = 41w per sq. foot and 5833 lumens per sq. foot.Again not enough light to grow decent buds in that area...on to the next...

2 x 600w HPS = 1200w HPS

1200w HPS / 24 = 50w per sq. foot and 7500 lumens per sq. foot.This is the minimum for getting the job done.

2x 1000w HPS = 2000w HPS

2000w HPS / 24 = 83w per sq. foot and 11,666 lumens per sq. foot.The Maximum you could do.Would take a lot of ventilation/cooling.

My vote goes for 2x 600w HPS in the 4' x 6' area.

For air cooling the lights:

Either 1x 6" 440cfm Vortex or 1x 8" 747cfm Vortex.

For ventilation:

Either 1x 6" 440cfm Vortex or 1x 8" 747cfm Vortex attached to a Can 50 carbon filter.

If using passive air intakes for a negative pressure environment then make sure they are 2-3x the size of the exhuast/ventilation fans area.Use insulated ducting.


As far as Co2 is involved,I've never tinkered with that so I'll let someone else chime in on that subject.

If you are using one fan to cool the lights and one fan to ventilate/exhuast the grow then the only fan that needs to be connected to the carbon filter is the ventilation/exhuast fan as no grow room air ever gets into the air-cooled lights.

 

[ilovethewest]

sorry about my spelling and all, not to be an excuse but all the people that i know with a dr in their name have spelling and grammar that is worse than mine. thanks for the ventilation answers, helps me already. ill use a vortex to cool my lights, vented straight into the bedroom, and ill have that valueline fan hooked up to a thermostat & carbon filter to clear the room if my temps require it, and the co2 should not be a problem as i have a co2 controller( correct me if im wrong) which also controlls heat, so once it turns on the out vent fan it should turn co2 off, and on when the out vent fan is off. nice, i love it when shit makes sence. ill try to make this into a proper closet grow, here is a picture of what im starting out with.

this web site is the deal.

 

[redspaghetti]

hows going ilovethewest,

pulling a chair up on this one, should be a fun grow

keep us posted plz@!

 

[ilovethewest]

just ordered some seeds from nirvana, knock on wood and wait. decided on AK-48, Bubblelicious, Blue Mistic, and Urban Poison (indoor Durban Poison)! its gonna be a tasty SOG. still dont have that 2g's i was hoping i could put down on the equipment, maybe after this weekend i will, and if not ill probably go ahead and order what i can and start building. im looking at 2x600w 8in air cooled lights, 2x 750cfm valueline fans, a can filter 75, and a 30 pint dehumidifier for my basics, maybe a bit more im forgetting. comments are great.

 

[ilovethewest]

just placed my big order. im hoping to still get a dehumidifier, and a sulfur burner.
1 x Carbonaire 8 Inch Carbon Filter = $189.90
1 x Ecoplus 120V 15 Amp On-Off Digital Dual Timer= $16.90
2 x Hortilux 600W Super HPS Mogul Base Grow Bulb= $149.80
2 x 600W HPS SS-10 Remote Ballast= $329.80
Socket Assembly & 15ft Cord
2 x Light Lifter Reflector Suspension System= $29.80
2 x Sunlight CoolSunXL8 Air Cool Horizontal Reflector w/Glass Lens= $239.80
1 x Mylar 2 mil x 4' x 50' Reflective Film= $29.90
1 x Tarp Zip-Up Peel and Stick Zipper= $9.90
1 x Milwaukee pH51 Waterproof pH Tester= $49.90
1 x Rapitest Moisture Tester= $4.90
1 x Vortex 8 inch 747 CFM High Power Inline Fan= $189.90
1 x Hydrofarm Variable Speed Fan Control= $19.90
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Sub-Total: $1,260.40
United Parcel Service (Ground): $226.77
Total: $1,487.17

took a lot to get to this point. its gonna be configured carbon filter->ducking->vortex->reflector->ducting->reflector->ducting to the exit vent. so its gonna be a passive intake. think that will work alright? the carbon filter i got is for an 18'x18' space, Im using a 4'x6' space. im going to pick up everything else that i need at the hardware store, nursery and coop. it will get to me in a week, building starts then. comments, ideas, whatever....

 

[syze]

good luck on your journey!!
greets -syze-

 

[stealthcabber]

s


ahh and the strains im ordering today. skunk x thai, ice, afghan, & bubblegum. im not wanting to pay 30 bucks a pop for clones from a club, and its like 20bucks a pack on seeds from 420-seeds.com, anybody use them before?

i would not choose the thai x skunk. They call it "thunk" and it can take 120 day to 6 months to finish.

 

[jm420]

nevermind 120 days minumum that shit wll take over the closet,mine hit 10 ft+,not worth it in my op

 

[ilovethewest]

nah that was me being stoned and thinking yummy. the beans that should get here in a week are from nirvana.
10 AK-48
10 Blue Mystic
10 Bubblelicious
10 Urban Poison (indoor Durban Poison)
its gonna be a SOG using good ol dirt.

 

[flfunk]

a friend of mine did both the bubblelicious and AK-48 from Nirvana before. The bubblelicious was really nice and the AK-48 wasnt to shabby either. If you have any issues with teh beans shoot Nirvana an email, they were really helpful with my buddy when he had an issue.

Looking to get a similar operation started myself in the coming weeks.

 

[ilovethewest]

Nirvana, yall get a tip of my hat, 1 week (they ship on tues and fri, i ordered on a thursday night, got it this friday. amsterdam to west coast in one week, definately legit. hoping your strains are medical enough, urban poison beans look perfect, and on the other end bubblelicious looks sketchy, so lets see how they do.

 

[aceofspades]

I am starting to believe that any weed may be potent enough with the help of a grower willing to give the plant what it needs

Ace

 

[komrade komura]

Yo West....some good looking seeds and strains ya gonna be growing.

Hats off to ya m8.

I gotta say that it seems two lights is the way to go if ya gonna mix strains. I had to go to two lights due to a large heigh differential.

And the equipment list is very impressive. With that 8 inch filter and that fan...you can add beans back into your diet...hahaha.

How ya planning to germ the beans?

 

[Ickis]

Hey there ilovewest. You are on the right path guy. JNug is being scientific and is absolutely correct. He is talking about maximizing the space. However, there is a learning curve. Even if you are an expert and there is still a learning curve with your grow space.

One thing that can jam you up in a new space is just getting around in it. Overcrowding is a great way to suck all the fun out of a grow. Can't get to things, can't inspect, mold and pests can have a field day. Plus the day to day watering becomes a grind or whatever. You get the idea.

I would suggest going with 1 600w but only use a 3 x 3 area. Just focus your light on 3x3 and that is 60w per sq foot. This gives you more room to move plants when inspecting without having to take them out. Or you can spread them out a bit if they get big. You will have better air circulation too.

If you fill it up with plants and lights workability suffers until you get a few grows under your belt in the room and get organized.

600w/3x3 area/6 plants=smooth sailing fun grow

Nice seeds you got there. They will be fun searching through for some keepers.

 

[ilovethewest]

i hear what your saying man, and thanks for the idea, if this does not work out ill definitely have that as a back up idea. but i have a few reasons for doing what my current plan is. first i already down graded from 15x15' space, second its only 12 or 15 plants total, so how hard is it really going to be to physically pick the pots up one at a time, take them out of the grow, water prune take pictures and inspect for disease, out of the grow, then put them back? also im set on soil, and even thinking pretty hard on not using nutrients (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=59380). also im still planning on getting a dehumidifier and a sulfer vaporizor, so that should help a whole lot.
I do got a question though. i have carpet on the floor, and thats gotta change. i was thinking panda plastic, but now im wondering if anybody has any ideas of a good material to put under it, like ply wood or rock wall, dont know, something that is flat and hard that will make the panda plastic work out a bit better... any ideas of a good material that will not be too receptable to moisture or disease?
@komrade komura...didnt even think about how much easer 2 lights will make it with height and all. dig. im just pumpet to hang my magnum xxl's! to germ the seeds im going to use an aero garden pro that i have had for a while. i bought their germinating kit, huge rip off. i was going to put the beans in water for 24hours before putting them into the aerogarden. i gotta go rip a bong though, so i cant get pictures of that up right now.

 

[turbolaser4528]

pond liner from lowes or hd will be the best bet, you can throw down some 2x6's and contruct a floor, or better yet, rip out the carpet and install some form of tile or tile substitute. throw some ponda liner over tile you'll be diesel. good luck, id go with 2 600's in that space and go vertical for the best yield and ease of maintenance/use of space. peace

 

[Ickis]

i already down graded from 15x15' space, second its only 12 or 15 plants total, so how hard is it really going to be to physically pick the pots up one at a time, take them out of the grow, water prune take pictures and inspect for disease, out of the grow, then put them back?

That's where the learning curve comes in. You will be finding out soon enough. Good luck!

 

[Sinecure]

Having carpet on the floor under whatever plastic or other waterproof barrier you put down is nice. I had some carpet scraps in my basement that I put under my tent when I set it up. I did it more for insulation from the ground, but I've found its really nice for when I need to kneel down in there.