Really need help.... It is a bad day.

[JimBeamKush]

Yea I am sure AA helps a lot of people like my dad use to go there a lot. But I just do not want to do AA. In some of my previous posts I said I was going to go but once I get through this detox I am just going to let alchol be a thing of the past and move on with my life.

Djam I am on Libriuam it helps a lot with the anxeity and stuff

 

[SpasticGramps]

AA meetings are a hit and miss. It helps some, and others like me it does not. I don't like how everyone at AA meetings has switched their addiction from alcohol to cigs and coffee. And they seem to just gloat about how much they could drink back in the day, etc. And then there's even worse - the 30-something women who try to meet dudes there. Yeesh. I mean even I have some morality. Well, I do go to church with chicks for the chicks and more chicks. Yeah I don'ty know

I agree to an extent. I still drink these days and never considered myself and alcoholic. But at one point, I was doing every drug I could get my hands on including booze. I definitely had a drinking problem. I think what the meetings did for me was show me where I was headed too. I hated going, but I went because I hated to go and I wanted to show myself, This is what you are going to be doing every other day for the rest of your life. Hanging out crying about how much you fucked up your life. That still wasn't enough in and of itself. I struggled off and on for a while, but the memory and the experience was always in the back of my head and the stuff you learn in detox/rehab, no matter if you relapse after that, it's at least something you can try to go back to and build off of.

Don't say your never going to touch it again. It's easy as fuck to say that right now because of how miserable you just were. It's a few weeks down the road that will get you in trouble. If you had to physically detox from alcohol I suggest you continue and try and use the support around you. An addicts mind is always setting himself up for the next drink, but you don't realize it.

 

[statusquo]

AA and other treatments depend on desperation. If you aren't thoroughly convinced yourself that you have hit rock bottom or are going to very soon, the program doesn't seem very effective.
My advice
1. Remove the source(s)
2. Remove the friends that have the problem too since they probably not only encourage it but its a matter of practicality - if all they do when you guys hang out is drink wtf else are you going to do...
3. Be VERY CAREFUL with using other drugs. I strongly agree with previous posters that it will not work. That being said, other drugs can be used to help treat physical symptoms of withdrawals but not as a mental crutch.
4. Attempt a detox when you will not have anything to do for the next few days to week depending on how far deep in you are and prepare.
5. Detox is the easiest part in the long run...not relapsing is the bitch. Once you get passed the detox is gives you a huge sense of accomplishment and relief which makes you think you can handle it again. You cant.

Hope this helps. I am 20 and would call myself mentally dependent on opiates. I can function without them but feel emotionally numb and just want to be alone and get irritated very easily. I take them to get high anywhere from 1-4 days a week (usually about 2 times) and have anywhere from 1-2 days of complete sobriety. Every other day I take a very minute dose of suboxone to quell restlessness and anxiety. I wish you luck...god knows I will need it too. I have only really felt mentally dependent and started using some sort almost daily about 5 months ago and am still not too far in and am far from rock bottom but I know it will eventually end there if I am not even more proactive than I am now...I have lost many friends (2 literally and many figuratively)

Edit: As others have stated, a long hot shower can work both mental and physical wonders (and pass time....even 30 minutes makes a world of difference when you are literally counting the seconds until the detox is over)

 

[JimBeamKush]

Yea it is not very fun. Statusqo man I am telling you too drop it while you can and the sooner you do it the easier it will be.
I personally have seen so many of my friends go through opiaite addiction it is not funny. It is horrible. So many people I know can not even function without their pain killers. The longer you stay on them the harder it will be to get off.
Yea you are right, the counting the seconds until it is over is the hard part, do you know how many seconds are in a day ?

 

[Mister Postman]

aa is not for everyone.. It's open to everybody, and of course your going to get those few that go to appease a court order, or a loved one. Many will go right after to the bar to start their drinking. Saying that though, there is also the group there that takes their sobriety very seriously.. IF you go those will be the ones you wanna hang with.. Very easy to tell who is serious and who is not... IF they took the steps to find a sponser then more then likely they are taking the program, and their sobriety seriously..

sobriety doesnt just rub off on ya, so just going to meeting isnt gonna cut it.. You have to have the ability to ask for help, which some just dont friggen have no matter how hard they try or actually need it. Many drink to escape, and forget issues, and the last thing those folks are going to do is speak to a stranger in public about them.. Many would rather "be a man" and do it all themselves, unfortunetly for the majority that rarely works for any real length of time.. As soon they start feeling better physically they slip up and drink.. For those who have a genetic predisposition to adiction they will again lose control, and drink as they done before, or find something to else to replace that addiction with

One thing is for certain though... when you hit rock bottom, and you have nowhere left to go AA and groups such as that will always be there for ya.. They are what you make of them of course.

 

[SuperZero]

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[KnowBudz]

I recently passed a milestone....15yrs without alcohol. Of course, I went for years telling myself, "no problem, I can quit when I want". Trouble was, I never seemed to want to! Its not an easy road. They say folks with alcohol problems don't wonder if they have a problem.

Grab onto whatever you have available, and hang in there!

 

[JimBeamKush]

Yea man it is no joke. I am feeling good now though the detox was the worst. Seems like soooooo many people go through alcholism

 

[weedhead]

JBK, just wanted to give you my perspective on what I have been reading in your thread. First of all keep your head up, quitting drinking isn't going to be easy at all. To those of you advocating AA: If it works for you that is great, but it did not work for me. I was 19 years old attending AA meetings as a result of pretty serious criminal charges. And there is one thing about the program that I don't agree with. You have to put your faith in a higher power, I don't believe any of that. For those of you who do I am happy that whatever you believe in helps you, and therefore it has served it's purpose. However, there is one thing I learned from AA that eventually helped me to get my substance abuse under control. AVOID ALL OLD PEOPLE, PLACES, AND THINGS!!!! What this means is that you avoid anything and everything that you associate with drinking in the beginning. I know that is easier said than done, but it will make it easier for you to avoid alcohol in the beginning. That does not mean you have to stay away for ever, just until you get a handle on your problem (however it may be in your best interests to stay away for ever). I started hanging around with noone but my immediate family, and leaving all those old people, places, and things behind was hard in the beginning but I was able to get a handle on my problems. Occasionally I run into someone that I used to hang out with and it is pretty bad. Alot of them have been to prison, are addicted to drugs like cocaine, heroin, and meth, and many are dead. I can tell you from firsthand experience that you are young enough to change your life. I dropped out of high school at 16, got my GED at 18, abused drugs until around age 23, enrolled in college at 24, and now I am three and a half years in with a 3.8 GPA. You can change your life early enough to be able to accomplish something man, you just have to want it bad enough to change the way you live.

 

[JimBeamKush]

""JBK, just wanted to give you my perspective on what I have been reading in your thread. First of all keep your head up, quitting drinking isn't going to be easy at all. To those of you advocating AA: If it works for you that is great, but it did not work for me. I was 19 years old attending AA meetings as a result of pretty serious criminal charges. And there is one thing about the program that I don't agree with. You have to put your faith in a higher power, I don't believe any of that. For those of you who do I am happy that whatever you believe in helps you, and therefore it has served it's purpose. However, there is one thing I learned from AA that eventually helped me to get my substance abuse under control. AVOID ALL OLD PEOPLE, PLACES, AND THINGS!!!! What this means is that you avoid anything and everything that you associate with drinking in the beginning. I know that is easier said than done, but it will make it easier for you to avoid alcohol in the beginning. That does not mean you have to stay away for ever, just until you get a handle on your problem (however it may be in your best interests to stay away for ever). I started hanging around with noone but my immediate family, and leaving all those old people, places, and things behind was hard in the beginning but I was able to get a handle on my problems. Occasionally I run into someone that I used to hang out with and it is pretty bad. Alot of them have been to prison, are addicted to drugs like cocaine, heroin, and meth, and many are dead. I can tell you from firsthand experience that you are young enough to change your life. I dropped out of high school at 16, got my GED at 18, abused drugs until around age 23, enrolled in college at 24, and now I am three and a half years in with a 3.8 GPA. You can change your life early enough to be able to accomplish something man, you just have to want it bad enough to change the way you live.""


I feel where you are coming from man, I also quit school when I was 16 and got my GED the same year. It took me until I was 20 too get back into college, that is after a classb feleony. Grew up a very rough life and a lot of my childhood friends are also addicited to many hard drugs and stuff, but I do not hang with them anymore.

 

[PnkFloydianSlip]

If you dont wanna be a drunk then why you call yourself jim beam like its cool? I would either look into Iboga/Ibogine treatment OR get on some anti anxiety herbs/meds... Theres natural remedies like Valerian root and if thats not potent enough you could try a prescription for your anxiety. Seriously Iboga would be your best option, and if you cant manage that then find a way to manage your anxiety, dont just keep drinking tho.

 

[weedhead]

well, that's the first step. Just do whatever you know is right for yourself and don't give up.

 

[JimBeamKush]

Pinkfloyidan, I do not call myself Jimbeam like it is cool, just when i made my IC mag username i drank jim beam heavily and smoked kush a lot. So i just combined them lol

I do have a perscription for my anxeity now and stuff and have been sober for like 4 days and have no desire to drink ever again.

If you would have read the thread you would know these things instead of just posting in ignorance.

No offesnse meant man.

 

[OMJebus]

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[PnkFloydianSlip]

There are some entheogen sites that will sell you the iboga. tho i dont know if it would be against policy to post em here. If you take the iboga you will not have withdrawl symptoms at all.

 

[SpasticGramps]

JBK, just wanted to give you my perspective on what I have been reading in your thread. First of all keep your head up, quitting drinking isn't going to be easy at all. To those of you advocating AA: If it works for you that is great, but it did not work for me. I was 19 years old attending AA meetings as a result of pretty serious criminal charges. And there is one thing about the program that I don't agree with. You have to put your faith in a higher power, I don't believe any of that. For those of you who do I am happy that whatever you believe in helps you, and therefore it has served it's purpose. However, there is one thing I learned from AA that eventually helped me to get my substance abuse under control. AVOID ALL OLD PEOPLE, PLACES, AND THINGS!!!! What this means is that you avoid anything and everything that you associate with drinking in the beginning. I know that is easier said than done, but it will make it easier for you to avoid alcohol in the beginning. That does not mean you have to stay away for ever, just until you get a handle on your problem (however it may be in your best interests to stay away for ever). I started hanging around with noone but my immediate family, and leaving all those old people, places, and things behind was hard in the beginning but I was able to get a handle on my problems. Occasionally I run into someone that I used to hang out with and it is pretty bad. Alot of them have been to prison, are addicted to drugs like cocaine, heroin, and meth, and many are dead. I can tell you from firsthand experience that you are young enough to change your life. I dropped out of high school at 16, got my GED at 18, abused drugs until around age 23, enrolled in college at 24, and now I am three and a half years in with a 3.8 GPA. You can change your life early enough to be able to accomplish something man, you just have to want it bad enough to change the way you live.

I agree about the AA high power stuff. That's what turned me off it after a little bit. Great advice BTW. He speaks the truth.

 

[HerbGlaze]

Alcoholic's Anonymous saved my parents lives.

Get help really!

Positive vibes going your way..





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[JimBeamKush]

doing good now. no more withdrawls phyiscally and i have no desire to drink i know where that will lead

 

[kmk420kali]

There is a lot of talking about AA...referring to the "Higher Power" thing--
Your Higher Power can be anything-- I got clean after 18 years of heroin in AA...I used "The Group" as my Higher Power...being an Atheist and all--
There are a lot of different alternatives...Church, Rehab...but the one thing they all have in common is, getting you INVOLVED in something besides your own 'Stinkin' Thinkin'"!!
You just need to find something to capture your interest and keep you out of your old ways of thinking--
It could be AA, Church...or friggin' Crossword Puzzles...your job now, JB...is to find the thing that will work for you..seeing as the way you have been doing things hasn't been turning out so swell!!
Quitting drinking, for an Alcoholic...is more than just not drinking...it is changing up the way you think!!
That's it...the whole "Secret" in a nutshell--

 

[Mister Postman]

Fantastic news bro...

For whatever reason what you wrote on my message board was deleted by a moderator for being against terms of service here... You have your 50 posts now though, so if you wanted you can send me private message now..