Well in June they (State Dept. of Health) wanted to limit the number of patients a caregiver can serve to 5, but that did not pass it after the protests from the community. But that's all I know of in that regard.
Colorado ruling on caregivers - People vs. Clendenin
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HossCartwright
Member
At that meeting they (CDPHE) didn't get the 5 patient limit passed, but I think they did change the definition of caregiver.
Sound like they intend to make the caregivers keep track of the cardholders, by making check on them one way or another. Adding to their responsibilities; if they don't have monthly contact, they can't supply them meds. Just a thought how they could manipulate the situation. In effect make them take attendance. Very tricky
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KermitTheHermit
Of course, the problem is that government in the state of Colorado is incompetent and unable to manage anything. Look at any of the social programs in the state; they have a hell of a time just giving money away! Right now they take 11 weeks to issue a simple MMJ card! How are these morons going to manage any of these new regulations they claim to be preparing to implement?
If you can find any info on that it would be interesting to see what they came up with.
I was wondering if anyone knew how this may affect patients helping other patients. I assume the woman in this case was only a caregiver and not a patient herself?
slappyjack
Member
Do wheat farmers and traditional pharmacists have to provide wellness services? I thought not.
This is really fucked up. Cannabis IS the wellness service, the patient's MMJ card is the wellness "advice". I'm not going to pretend I'm a doctor because IMO THAT is a crime. This is going to lead to lots of bad medical advice from people who aren't trained to give it. Medical advice is the doctor's job.
This is really fucked up. Cannabis IS the wellness service, the patient's MMJ card is the wellness "advice". I'm not going to pretend I'm a doctor because IMO THAT is a crime. This is going to lead to lots of bad medical advice from people who aren't trained to give it. Medical advice is the doctor's job.
pikes peak 69
Active member
These rules were changed as of 8-30-09 and the definitions were cleaned up to this.
http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/hs/medicalmarijuana/AdoptedRules0200900360.pdf
iii) “Significant responsibility for managing the well-being of a patient” means assisting a patient with daily activities, including but not limited to transportation or housekeeping or meal preparation or shopping or making any necessary arrangement for access to medical care or services or provision of medical marijuana
HTH
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http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/hs/medicalmarijuana/AdoptedRules0200900360.pdf
iii) “Significant responsibility for managing the well-being of a patient” means assisting a patient with daily activities, including but not limited to transportation or housekeeping or meal preparation or shopping or making any necessary arrangement for access to medical care or services or provision of medical marijuana
HTH
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pikes peak 69
Active member
I believe Attorney Rob Corry has mentioned that this case only applies to cases busted before 8-30-09, that with the new rules as of that date that cg are ok with only supplying MMJ.
DON"T BELIEVE ME ON THAT, ASK YOUR ATTORNEY, TO BE SURE.
I still believe that a cg should at least know your patient , meet and have dialog, weekly contact and help where you can and they need. Does not mean you have to pay for what they need but help get-r-done.
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DON"T BELIEVE ME ON THAT, ASK YOUR ATTORNEY, TO BE SURE.
I still believe that a cg should at least know your patient , meet and have dialog, weekly contact and help where you can and they need. Does not mean you have to pay for what they need but help get-r-done.
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Spacecadet01
Member
hey Pikes...Ive heard both sides...Rob appears to say that it only applies to cases before 8-30-09...adn Warren says this ::
quote from WARREN EDSON ::
I am just saying that if you do not offer wellness services as part of your "caregiving" package, you could be arrested tomorrow if you grow or distibute to others. The DA's could start filing cases tomorrow using the new definition without any legislation at all.
It tough to know whos right in this...they are both good attorneys..I agree with you personal contact with your patients and dialog would avoid and prosecution according to the new ruling. ..02
SC
quote from WARREN EDSON ::
I am just saying that if you do not offer wellness services as part of your "caregiving" package, you could be arrested tomorrow if you grow or distibute to others. The DA's could start filing cases tomorrow using the new definition without any legislation at all.
It tough to know whos right in this...they are both good attorneys..I agree with you personal contact with your patients and dialog would avoid and prosecution according to the new ruling. ..02
SC
Spacecadet01
Member
Just received this from Sensible Colorado.
Please be there.
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https://app.e2ma.net/app/view:Campai...f13c3259b641e6
CO Health Board to vote on Tuesday (11/3) to Weaken Medical Marijuana Law
**EMERGENCY ALERT-- PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY**
In an underhanded move, the Colorado Board of Health will be voting to weaken the medical marijuana law at an "emergency" meeting on Tuesday, November 3 at 10:30am in Denver. At this stealth meeting the Board will be voting to redefine what a "caregiver" is to require such individuals to provide supplementary-- and often unnecessary-- services beyond simply providing sick patients with medical marijuana.
"This is like requiring my pharmacist to give me a massage or make me a sandwich," said Dan Pope, muscular dystrophy patient and medical card holder. "I can do those activities myself. I need a caregiver to give me medicine. End of story."
This meeting, which was announced in a late afternoon email to a small handful of patient advocates, is another example of the state engaging in underhanded tactics in their effort to undermine the medical marijuana law and the will of the Colorado voters. Please help hold them accountable.
Here's How You Can Help:
(1) Attend the Meeting. This meeting will occur at 10:30am on Tuesday, November 3 in the Snow Room, 1st Floor Building A of the Colorado Department of Public Health and the Environment, 4300 Cherry Creek Dr. South, Denver CO.
(2) Call-in to the Meeting. While we strongly prefer that you attend in person, you can also call-in at 1-866-899-5399 1-866-899-5399, conference code *3529725*
(3) Spread the Word. Please tell friends and family to attend the meeting and forward this alert widely!
Please be there.
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https://app.e2ma.net/app/view:Campai...f13c3259b641e6
CO Health Board to vote on Tuesday (11/3) to Weaken Medical Marijuana Law
**EMERGENCY ALERT-- PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY**
In an underhanded move, the Colorado Board of Health will be voting to weaken the medical marijuana law at an "emergency" meeting on Tuesday, November 3 at 10:30am in Denver. At this stealth meeting the Board will be voting to redefine what a "caregiver" is to require such individuals to provide supplementary-- and often unnecessary-- services beyond simply providing sick patients with medical marijuana.
"This is like requiring my pharmacist to give me a massage or make me a sandwich," said Dan Pope, muscular dystrophy patient and medical card holder. "I can do those activities myself. I need a caregiver to give me medicine. End of story."
This meeting, which was announced in a late afternoon email to a small handful of patient advocates, is another example of the state engaging in underhanded tactics in their effort to undermine the medical marijuana law and the will of the Colorado voters. Please help hold them accountable.
Here's How You Can Help:
(1) Attend the Meeting. This meeting will occur at 10:30am on Tuesday, November 3 in the Snow Room, 1st Floor Building A of the Colorado Department of Public Health and the Environment, 4300 Cherry Creek Dr. South, Denver CO.
(2) Call-in to the Meeting. While we strongly prefer that you attend in person, you can also call-in at 1-866-899-5399 1-866-899-5399, conference code *3529725*
(3) Spread the Word. Please tell friends and family to attend the meeting and forward this alert widely!
slappyjack
Member
Thanks for the update spacecadet, I can't believe this is happening at the exact same time I'm developing my buinsiness. No other buisinesses have to deal with this crap.
See you on the conference call.
See you on the conference call.
Spacecadet01
Member
I hear ya SJ...Lets all put our best intentions together for a positive outcome. I will be on the call as Im sure will many others. There we bound to be bumps in the road..but its how we deal with those bumps that furthers our cause.
Boulder officials are meeting on Thursday at 6pm at the Boulder Municipal Building, 1777 Broadway to talk about regulating mmj and declaring all businesses not under federal law cannot operate.
Here's a link: http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_13698112
Here's a link: http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_13698112
slappyjack
Member
Wow, I think there are thousands of people on the conference call. Everyone needs to stop talking.
Spacecadet01
Member
are patients and caregiver allowed to attend this meeting?
Spacecadet01
Member
i cant get on...says the meeting has reached it max allowed on the phone..
slappyjack
Member
I'll post bullet points if I can hear anything.
Spacecadet01
Member
thanks bro...hope people showed up in force...thats the only way well change anything. Is to peacefully show up and state our case.
slappyjack
Member
Meeting hasn't started yet, just lots of people mumbling.
Spacecadet01
Member
im on now....anyone else reading this that gets on the call PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE IF YOU DON'T IT WILL CAUSE INTERFERENCE...
